What did Joe Wilson call Obama?

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  1. Ericsson1228d

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    I need to get my TV checked. I thought Wilson called Obama a liar. However, in a recent AP article about Wilson's rebuke from the House, the following appeared:

    There have been suggestions that recent harsh criticism of Obama has been at least partly motivated by race. Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., current head of the Congressional Black Caucus, said that "today is about the civility and decorum of the House." But she added that we "can't sweep race under the rug — racism is still a factor and must be addressed."

    And Former Pres. Carter said, "I think than an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward Pres. Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man."

    I really would like to know the answer to three questions:

    1.) How is the term "liar" a racist statement?

    2.) Does anyone have footage of racist posters or handbills at the healthcare opposition rallys?

    3.) When did the Dems switch the story from the protests being organized by Insurance companies and big business as "astroturfers" (i.e. shills) to the participants being a bunch of racists?

    When the Dems try to discredit, if they keep changing the story, pretty soon they will have to change it to "hey, these are merely people who disagree with Obama's policies." But I doubt they will ever get there. We must just be a bunch of raving racist lunatics.
     
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    Words in themselves are not "racist", it is how and in the context of their use that determines racism. When a white, "sons of the confederate", "leave the confederate flag flying of the state capital", southern congressman, interrupts the first black President on the floor of the House during a joint session of Congress, many people believe it was racially motivated. It was minimally childish, and worst, racist. What is striking to me is his (and the Republican Party's) behavior after the fact.


    If you don't see racism in Wilson's comment, then I somehow do not believe that you will see it in the poster of Obama as Hitler. Why do you even ask this question?


    Now I know it can be difficult for some Repu8blicans to keep two concepts in their head at the same time, but concentrate real hard and suppose that the corporate shills that Insurance companies are easily able to get at the rallies, and the loudest attackers on Obama, are racists. We see it here on the forums as well. Attack the person (de-legitimatize him as President then we can say what ever we want) and not the policies... make up lies that the racist, ignorant right will easily believe (death panels, kill grandma, socialism, communism,... scary).
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    Yes, I for one would love a debate on the actual facts of Obama's policies, but the right keeps spilling lie after lie after lie... Why is the 'right' so scared of discussing the facts? Is it because if the facts were actually discussed, people might actually agree with Obama?
     
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    I don't know about you, but signs depicting the President as an African witch doctor being displayed at anti-health care reform rallies seems blatantly racist to me.
     
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    The Republican "right" does not see it that way... what they are depicting is that African Witch Doctors support socialism... the image is not depicting Obama as a witch doctor, but as a socialist. If you are seeing anything other than the sign calling Obama a socialist, than *you* must be racist.

    Here's the innocent image depicting Obama as a *socialist* (who happens to be dressed up as a witch doctor). You guys are reading way too much into an obviously fair political picture.

    http://ladylibertyslamp.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/obama-racist-latest.jpg

    Nope, no racism there.

     
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    It's unfortunate that some of the opposition is motivated by race. Is stifles real debate on what are important issues. The supporters of Obama and healthcare reform should be careful how and when and who they label as racist. It will blow up in their faces when centrists who are opposed to the bill and who aren't racial motivated, get pissed off at being thrown in with the racists. I know it steams me when I get profiled in some way just for having a difference of opinion.
     
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    You are correct, vince. I think you bring up a very important point, which I happened to be discussing with a friend of mine who happens to be conservative. Sure, not all conservatives are screaming crazies. And there are crazy, foaming-at-the-mouth liberals out there, too. The important thing is that each side has a responsibility to call out their OWN crazies for what they are.

    Perfect example: a radical leftist environmental group dug up and toppled two radio towers in Washington state a few weeks ago. Their motive was that "Due to the health and environmental risks associated with radio waves emitted from the towers" they were obliged to use force. These so-called ecoterrorists are CRAZY! They use junk science to forward their abusive tactics. While their goals may have good intentions, it does no one any good to act in such a way.

    Conservatives must begin to do the same with those on their side. Have some integrity and hold those on your side responsible for spreading lies and innuendo.

    And by the way - calling the president a "liar" is one thing...to do it during his speech is quite another. Like it or not, he's the president and deserves to have his say...the same way I gave President Bush the right to say what ever the hell he wanted to when he was president. I don't remember any Dems shouting at him...even when he deserved it. There's a time and a place to voice dissent.

    And if there is an example of a Dem shouting out at Bush while he was speaking to a nationally-televised joint session of congress, I will gladly eat my foot.
     
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    Socialism is the new "N" word. Discuss.
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree with this. There's nothing that undermines the battle against true racial bigotry more than indiscriminately raising the spectre of racism every time there is some sort of disagreement or conflict in which a "person of color" (grudgingly using that term, here) is involved. There must be more investigation into the facts, and there must be intelligent analysis of the (often complex) issue(s) to determine whether there is truly racial bigotry at work, or merely conflict that incidentally involves multiple ethnicities.

    It's quite possible for a person to have grave concerns about Barack Obama's policies, for example, without that person being at all bigoted. And too often, Obama's critics have had the bigot label affixed to them hastily and unjustly. This is not to excuse the innumerable instances in which a bigot is rightfully called out. Not to mention all the subtle instances of bigotry that go unreported, or even unnoticed.

    Do whole legions of people harbor bigoted feelings about Obama, and then cloak their bigotry in "concerns about his policies"? Yes. Is everyone who dislikes Obama enough to make disrespectul statements about him a racist? No.

    I'm tempted to start a thread specifically addressing this issue, but it would probably get way out of hand.

    Nothing I've said here should encourage the bigots in the house.
     
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    Oooh, you're so heroic!

    Your cape and tights must be so worn and ragged from the first 8 years of the millenium, when you really had some record-setting-goverment-waste crusading to do.

    Maybe you have extras.
     
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    perhaps you're right, but would you care to explain Obama portrayed as Hitler is racist but W isn't? Seems to me they're both being metaphored as the biggest racist in modern history...and i'm pretty sure he didn't change on Jan 20th
     
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    I don't believe the Obama/Hitler signs are racist.........just crazily, woefully misinformed about what Socialism is.
     
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    alright, you've gained your creditability back in my book...as I know you were so worried about
     
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    Nobody would really consider painting a President to look like Hitler as being racist, especially since this has been done to EVERY president since WWII by the fringe.
     
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    Obviously fair? LOL! You have GOT to be kidding me! Putting the head of the first black president of the United States on the body of an African witch doctor is NOT racist?!? LOL!

    Come on, bro. Don't play that game with me. Putting Obama on the body of a Christian "healer" wouldn't have worked just as well to get the same message across? No...they had to use the old racist trope of the savage African to make their point.

    I'm not the racist here, dude. And perhaps you are not, either. But to make excuses for this is not only naive, it's outrageous and immoral. I have a feeling you know better. Rise above the bullshit, bro.
     
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    Thank you for exposing how Liberals really feel about the working class. Us working stiffs (in my case self employed) should not put forth any effort to create economic activity. Let's just all throw the towel in and sit around waiting for the government hand out.

    People like you think business is a milk cow that can be drained for all its worth. Few realize it's the workhorse that pulls the car called "US Economy". If you don't take proper care of the horse, you won't get the economy going anywhere.

    It's not like 70% of Americans are employed by small businesses (oh wait, they are!). It's not like my company employs four people full time and uses several independent contracts (oh wait, it does). So yeah, I wear a cape in that manner.

    All liberal postings contain the exact same language they accuse the fringe right off.

    By the way, as I am a minority, by making the statements you did about me, you are now officially a racist, as per the standards put forth by your own crowd.
     
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    Massive non sequitur.
     
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    Actually, the level of stupidity demonstrated in your few posts thus far places you squarely in the majority.
     
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