Someone who doesnt expect a fuck to follow every cuddle
That's funny - I want someone who doesn't expect a cuddle to follow every fuck! I mean I like a post-coital cuddle - but sometimes I just need breakfast! (Which he can make while I'm in the shower - fortunately he's a good fuck and a good cook :biggrin1
I would have to say that some of the things that some men do for women that they really don't want to, depending on the guy, might include:
Getting Married
Buying a house
Having a baby
Working like a dog at a job they hate and giving her the money
Buying a minivan because its practical
Going for Thanksgiving to her folks house
Going shopping for shoes
Holding her purse while she uses the changing room
buying tampax at the store cause she asked you to.
The problem is ins equating women's feelings about sex with mens.
For girls, sex is like ice cream... they may really like it... really enjoy it... but they can go without it for a while and its not a problem
For boys, sex is like food.
They can go without it for a little while... but the longer they go, the harder it gets to think about anything BUT food.
The things men do and give up for their women are things far more important to the woman than sex.
For guys... there isn't much that ranks more importantly than sex.
For someone who is clearly not thick you have some funny and rather old fashioned notions.
Don't you think for a minute that women make the same kind of sacrifises you list above.
Going to his parents for Christmas.
Going along to 'help' him pick a car even though you know every opinion and comment you make will be overruled.
Going out with his work colleagues.
Giving up her carreer to look after the kids because it makes sense as he is the higher earner.
Not wearing that dress he doesn't like. (read, general clothes related compromise - he wants her to look sexy but not too sexy )
Having sport on the TV all day saturday.*
Now thoose things are actually as sexist and unreasonably generic and as unlikely to apply to many couples as your list - but I still think a lot of women will identify with them in the same ways men will identify with your list.
The thing is relationships do often end up being about compromise and what you appear to be suggesting (maybe I am wrong) is that men compromise on all those social things and women 'put out' in ways they don't want to. Holy fuck! What centuary (and decade) are you living in?!?
Women and men (and men and men, and women and women in gay relationships) make sacrifises for each other - make compromises together when a middle ground needs to be found. Do you think male gay couples have none of the issues on your list? I'd love to hear from a few gay men on that. And men withhold sex or certain sexual acts from women. My ex was very particular about the circumstances of when he would and would not give oral and what I had to do in order to 'earn' it (a game which I did NOT enjoy playing and never reciprocated by 'rationing' anything for him - though maybe I should have).
I just can't believe you think this only works one way.
And if a guy really does not want to marry and have kids then he sould not do so. I know women who don't want to marry and have kids, and guess what, in relationships where he wanted that and she didn't the women have said 'sorry, I don't want that' and moved on (and not tried to force him to live her lifestyle). It's called knowing what you want and acting on it.
* Of course with my ex the sport thing was me wanting to watch and him not - but he whinged on about it so I gave up after a few years. some proof towards the fact that neither my list (nor yours by extension) is exclusinve to men or women.