what do you think of suicide?

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death with dignity.
don't tell me how to live/end my life, i'll extend the same courtesy to you.

is not my place to dictate bearable. temporary. when all the struggle is still the good fight. and when it becomes cruelty/masochism. my place to offer whatever support/compassion i can. in any way a loved one needs me to.

is not always going to be what i want. a choice i feel good about. a decision i would make for me. tough poop. love ain't easy.

all this talk of selfish. anyone think it's maybe a touch selfish to ask someone in crushing pain to suffer more, to save you the grief of losing them?

Mickey said it best. I say this having been suicidal AND dealing with my mother's multiple suicide attempts (with one near success).
 

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Please be nice!!:eek:

I do agree with many people with these disorders should be locked up.

I have a few questions then.

First being. How many disorders should be a requirement for being locked up?

Who determines who should be locked up and by what analysis?

Who should pay for these individuals?

How long should they be isolated?

Does reintegration really work? And if so what sort of jobs could these individuals take on?

Where would they live?

Who should pay for their room and board?

Who should pay for their daily meds if needed?

How many people out there are currently living with disorders? Without the assistance of medication.

What triggers/are disorders?

Also, correct me if i'm wrong but i thought narcissism was:


Narcissism is a generalized personality trait characterized by egotism, vanity, conceit, or selfishness.

Meaning that a person that loves who they are above all else. So i don't someone thinking they god's gift to everyone ending it. Then again, suicide could be a reaction of long standing narcissism. As in "why doesn't anyone else think i'm awesome when i clearly am."

As far as control over oneself goes. It's pretty damn debatable as to the extent of actual self control. Granted i'm not talking about perceptive people or those in the know.

For example, did you buy that thing you wanted because you really wanted it or because it was "sexy" as in you may have been a little horny at the time and the marketing department skillfully crafted it to appeal to your gender.

Not placing blame. I'm just saying that personal responsibility become's a mucky subject when you're dealing with information.

Information such as the affect of certain chemicals on the brain. The lack of stimulants and other byproducts of our bodies. The psychological reaction to certain words or grammical errors. The affect of technology on social interaction. Information on a person's medical, financial and criminal background.

I don't know, its kind of awesome that so many people speak about suicide as a one page act when there are always so many contributing factors. One such as controlling emotion. That one usually takes the cake for me. Cause depending on who you talk to both showing no emotion and showing a lot of emotion is cause for medication/a nice stay in a place with strange company.

And plainly telling a depressed person that they need to try harder, to me, is like beating a dead horse. Your arms are just going to get tired and the horse is still going to be dead. The only thing i know of that has helped is telling a depressed person how they can try harder, why and/or how they've had success in the past/present. Can't be a fake/light "you're awesome" either. It has to have weight and be based in fact.

Also, take their situation seriously but lightly. As in your problems are real and actual then as best you can show them how they can try harder, why and/or how they've had success in the past/present. Afterwards or during, joke, laugh or be your good friended self in whatever way you can. Can as in if you can't don't bother. If you can't/won't help, stay far away as you may just make it worse.
 
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I have a few questions then.

First being. How many disorders should be a requirement for being locked up?

Who determines who should be locked up and by what analysis?

Who should pay for these individuals?

How long should they be isolated?

Does reintegration really work? And if so what sort of jobs could these individuals take on?

Where would they live?

Who should pay for their room and board?

Who should pay for their daily meds if needed?

How many people out there are currently living with disorders? Without the assistance of medication.

What triggers/are disorders?

Also, correct me if i'm wrong but i thought narcissism was:


Narcissism is a generalized personality trait characterized by egotism, vanity, conceit, or selfishness.

Meaning that a person that loves who they are above all else. So i don't someone thinking they god's gift to everyone ending it. Then again, suicide could be a reaction of long standing narcissism. As in "why doesn't anyone else think i'm awesome when i clearly am."

As far as control over oneself goes. It's pretty damn debatable as to the extent of actual self control. Granted i'm not talking about perceptive people or those in the know.

For example, did you buy that thing you wanted because you really wanted it or because it was "sexy" as in you may have been a little horny at the time and the marketing department skillfully crafted it to appeal to your gender.

Not placing blame. I'm just saying that personal responsibility become's a mucky subject when you're dealing with information.

Information such as the affect of certain chemicals on the brain. The lack of stimulants and other byproducts of our bodies. The psychological reaction to certain words or grammical errors. The affect of technology on social interaction. Information on a person's medical, financial and criminal background.

I don't know, its kind of awesome that so many people speak about suicide as a one page act when there are always so many contributing factors. One such as controlling emotion. That one usually takes the cake for me. Cause depending on who you talk to both showing no emotion and showing a lot of emotion is cause for medication/a nice stay in a place with strange company.

And plainly telling a depressed person that they need to try harder, to me, is like beating a dead horse. Your arms are just going to get tired and the horse is still going to be dead. The only thing i know of that has helped is telling a depressed person how they can try harder, why and/or how they've had success in the past/present. Can't be a fake/light "you're awesome" either. It has to have weight and be based in fact.

Also, take their situation seriously but lightly. As in your problems are real and actual then as best you can show them how they can try harder, why and/or how they've had success in the past/present. Afterwards or during, joke, laugh or be your good friended self in whatever way you can. Can as in if you can't don't bother. If you can't/won't help, stay far away as you may just make it worse.


When I said "should be locked up", I realize that it's just not that easy to get round up all crazies and put them in a psych ward. But there are mentally ill people who are threat to the safety of others around them, and who will continue to be so without any legal action

You make very valid points, and I am casting judgment on no one. Every case is different (planned vs. impulse; substance abuse or not, prior mental history, etc.)

By the way, I am a humble soul who knows very little.:smile:, but I do believe at times that narcissism + substance abuse helps to push people over the edge who are already predisposed to suicide by nature (some of the gay porn stars, WWE wrestlers, etc.) But what do I know...just trying to understand...if that is really possible....
 

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When I said "should be locked up", I realize that it's just not that easy to get round up all crazies and put them in a psych ward. But there are mentally ill people who are threat to the safety of others around them, and who will continue to be so without any legal action

You make very valid points, and I am casting judgment on no one. Every case is different (planned vs. impulse; substance abuse or not, prior mental history, etc.)

By the way, I am a humble soul who knows very little.:smile:, but I do believe at times that narcissism + substance abuse helps to push people over the edge who are already predisposed to suicide by nature (some of the gay porn stars, WWE wrestlers, etc.) But what do I know...just trying to understand...if that is really possible....

I know what you mean and agree that those who would do harm to others should be placed in areas where they cannot. Problem is. No one wants the responsibility of taking care of these individuals. Even the mere mention of universal healthcare gets people to pick up guns and grasp at their wallets.

Your right, i'm sure narcissism + substance abuse does help to push people over the edge. So does an imaginary talking dog, financial ruin and physical anomalies. Bullying, discrimination and unemployment.

Long story short. I think most people are metaphorically trying to get a glimpse of the moon through a straw.
 
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When one loses the basic survival instinct, in their mind, it does not stop the body from trying to keep living. If both body and mind agree, then .......Youth suicide is most sad and heartbreaking, as most of the time it is spite, revenge or sadness that fills a young mind and heart, without having much experience of life itself. it also affects their young friends they leave behind.
 
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I think it's nobody's damn business what somebody wants to do with their life.
It's dismissive to just say someone's problems " aren't that bad". How the hell would you know?? And, as far as it being a selfish act... yeah.... so what?? It's THEIR life, not yours. Death affects many people around you,.. whether it's by accident, natural causes or suicide . It makes no difference.
I'm all for working through tough times and overcoming obstacles. But, ultimately , it's their life. I shouldn't assume that I know everything that's going on in it .
 
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When someone under 18 commits suicide, they walk past their family with the rope, think she is going out back to her horse. Scratch and claw marks are found on the rope, her young brother finds her, unable to support her weight, has to run back to the house to get help....then it's heartbreaking, extremely so.
 
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The downside to suicide is , you can only do it once, but with self harming behaviors, you go day after day.....
 
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The downside to suicide is , you can only do it once, but with self harming behaviors, you go day after day.....


Children are placed in cotton wool these days. Don't do this, don't do that, don't go there, don't talk to them...blah blah... it's dangerous, . While at the same time being exposed to bullshit media of what the "real" world is supposed to be like everyday. No wonder they are confused. Kids grew up falling from Jungle Gyms.....now they are banned because they might hurt themselves, and all the rest. Many kids grow up in this world having to plow paddocks with land mines in them.
 
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It's not for me.

But I do understand why people do it - and don't blame them for that. I just wish there was a way to help people who felt like there was no way forward, no way out and that life was unbearable. :(
 
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It's not for me.

But I do understand why people do it - and don't blame them for that. I just wish there was a way to help people who felt like there was no way forward, no way out and that life was unbearable. :(

It's usually in the eyes Joll. It's like photos someone has of a person before they choose, it's not until you look back at those photos that you see the darkness and sorrow in them, they be thinking they are alone. Hindsight is sometimes, not a good thing for those left behind.
 
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It's usually in the eyes Joll. It's like photos someone has of a person before they choose, it's not until you look back at those photos that you see the darkness and sorrow in them, they be thinking they are alone. Hindsight is sometimes, not a good thing for those left behind.
I think you can do your best to help - and sometimes recognise the symptoms (if you've been there yourself). But... life is shit sometimes, and if the worst happens, I don't think there's much point blaming yourself. :(

Just learn any lessons, and remember the good times?
 
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I think you can do your best to help - and sometimes recognise the symptoms (if you've been there yourself). But... life is shit sometimes, and if the worst happens, I don't think there's much point blaming yourself. :(

Just learn any lessons, and remember the good times?

Not speaking for myself in things i have said. But for my daughter who had lost a couple of very close friends while going through high school. I recall vividly helping her cope through those times.
 
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Not speaking for myself in things i have said. But for my daughter who had lost a couple of very close friends while going through high school. I recall vividly helping her cope through those times.
Aww. :(
 
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Yes, we were very worried when she had endless sleepless nights, i sat with her chatting till she fell asleep, makes me bubble even now to think of those times. No, it was not my little one that committed suicide but her best freind, then two weeks later one of her younger freinds. Sorry if i was misleading.
 
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Yes, we were very worried when she had endless sleepless nights, i sat with her chatting till she fell asleep, makes me bubble even now to think of those times. No, it was not my little one that committed suicide but her best freind, then two weeks later one of her younger freinds. Sorry if i was misleading.
You didn't - I understood what you meant. :)