What do you wish the government would do for you?

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Transparency is like bleach - kills nearly all bugs.
I don't think so... I guess it's quite clear that the NRA pits a lot of money into the political system, but still you have the same gym laws as 20 years ago (or even worse) even if the majority demands more regulations...

Why not change the whole system of financing parties?
What if the government pays every part in rate to their latest results. Let's say for every 1000 voters you get 20,000$ - so, if you get 90 million votes the state will pay you 1.8 billion to finance your next campaign and every politician who runs for an office has to get finance by his party as well.

The only other legal way to finance a party would be by membership fee (only real people can be members and EVERYONE has to pay the same)

Any kind of donation, or sponsorship would be illegal
 

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Then they will have zero cash, zero borrowing power and enough debt to cause their board to remove their CEO. And 300,000,000 US citizens will know what they've done and decide to buy gasoline from Conoco or someone else.
What about lobby groups? If all oil companies share one common goal, like less environment protection?
They donate the "1 trillion" to both candidate and the 300 million US citizens are fucked... They can't use their market power and move to another supplier ;)
 
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2) Get the fuck away from my money. If you want some of it just raise the base tax. Don't give me some back with "tax reform" and then tax things that were normally not taxed for centuries
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4) Walk softly and carry a big stick. Use the big stick when you have to, on the people that need it.
5) Fix your regime before you attempt to replace others
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7) Ban all non-appointed senior government officials from political party affiliation beyond the voting booth
8) Ban all government officials from news networks unless making official announcements
9) Ban and prohibit all members of the government from becoming pundits and "analysts" for ten years after leaving their last government position
10) No more social media for any members of government in their official capacity, as well as no more "official" facebook or twitter pages for any agency. Host a fucking web page for the public
11) Stay away from my personal life, if there isn't a law then fuck off. Don't pick and choose which laws based on the bible "are now OK" while others are not.

Yeah thats' all I want from government.
 
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I don't think so... I guess it's quite clear that the NRA pits a lot of money into the political system, but still you have the same gym laws as 20 years ago (or even worse) even if the majority demands more regulations...

Why not change the whole system of financing parties?
What if the government pays every part in rate to their latest results. Let's say for every 1000 voters you get 20,000$ - so, if you get 90 million votes the state will pay you 1.8 billion to finance your next campaign and every politician who runs for an office has to get finance by his party as well.

The only other legal way to finance a party would be by membership fee (only real people can be members and EVERYONE has to pay the same)

Any kind of donation, or sponsorship would be illegal

Well, there are a couple of foundational issues, first. The party system was not well received when we founded the country. And the country has been through many parties, although we do tend to stay with only two. In fact, from a federal perspective, the party system doesn't exist. It is recognized within the rules that each chamber of Congress uses, but not by statute, law, or anywhere in the Constitution.

Second, the spending of money is a form of speech. We give money to a candidate because we endorse his/her candidacy for a position. Making illegal to spend money would be difficult.
> Would buying lawn signs that I put up myself, that say... Vote for "X", and then spent money to hire local kids to pass out the signs for people to put on their lawns... be the same as spending money?
> Would producing a billboard that says... "X" voted against our schools... be illegal? And if so, then how about when the evening news or local paper prints that same comment?
> Would going out to a community event and speaking at a town hall for, or against, a particular candidate or issue, be the same? What about paying for the transportation to bring people to the event, or, for a guest speaker?

Next, how do you define the results, for the public contribution? Candidate "X" appears on multiple lines each one belonging to a different party (Republican, Libertarian, Right-To-Life) or (Democrat, Pro-Choice, Liberal). Which party gets the money? Do they have to spend the money in the same city, county, state, district, as last time, even though the next cycle isn't for 2, 4, 5, 6, years?

Next, does this trump State laws regarding parties, participation, and elections? This also encompasses the question of requiring memberships to all be equal. there are so many types of organizations that give, directly or indirectly, to politics, that forcing equal membership dues would trample our rights of free association.

But the two most important issues, forcing a purely public options raises tax money that has to be apportioned. That makes the funding of small state elections almost impossible. And, a purely public funded system entrenches the parties, so that a new party can NEVER compete, since it will never get enough votes last cycle to earn enough to adequately compete next cycle.


Now, I like the idea that businesses can't contribute to campaigns, since businesses are voters, aren't part of the census allocation of votes/apportionment, and aren't (or shouldn't be) afforded equal rights to individuals. But, this is part of the Citizen's United debate.
 

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A lot. Mostly, I find myself asking why no one has done anything about regulating and monitoring advertising. It’s crammed in our faces and shoved up our asses at all times. I can’t even go through the miserable process of buying gas for the car without the pump babbling commercials at me. At least they do me the favour of telling me the weather while I’m standing in it.
 
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A lot. Mostly, I find myself asking why no one has done anything about regulating and monitoring advertising. It’s crammed in our faces and shoved up our asses at all times. I can’t even go through the miserable process of buying gas for the car without the pump babbling commercials at me. At least they do me the favour of telling me the weather while I’m standing in it.

Businesses don't have the right to advertise on their property?
 

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That doesn't appear to answer my question, actually.
Then feel free to elaborate. If your question is based on property, where does the property line end? When I stop using electricity? Why can advertisers lie in their ads? Succinctly, my answer is no. Legally, the reality is yes, they have the right to advertise anything they please in any fashion they please. Is this a political perspective issue for you?
 

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If your question is based on property, where does the property line end?

Is this really so difficult of a question? The law generally lays out pretty clear-cut lines for the boundaries of property...

Or do you have in mind something more like billboards where the advertisement is being displayed out beyond the bounds of the property?

When I stop using electricity?

You were talking about using a gas station right? Doesn't the gas station have the right to inundate you with ads while you are on their property? And if you don't like it, you ought to remove yourself, no?

Why can advertisers lie in their ads?

Well, are you suggesting that every public expression be bound to be truthful? And if so, who do we make the arbiter or what is truthful? Do you really trust the State with being a supreme arbiter of the truth? I sure as hell don't.

Is this a political perspective issue for you?

You mean, do I see this as reflecting our individual political philosophies to some extent? If that's what you mean, the answer is a resounding "Yes."
 

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Is this really so difficult of a question? The law generally lays out pretty clear-cut lines for the boundaries of property...

Or do you have in mind something more like billboards where the advertisement is being displayed out beyond the bounds of the property?



You were talking about using a gas station right? Doesn't the gas station have the right to inundate you with ads while you are on their property? And if you don't like it, you ought to remove yourself, no?



Well, are you suggesting that every public expression be bound to be truthful? And if so, who do we make the arbiter or what is truthful? Do you really trust the State with being a supreme arbiter of the truth? I sure as hell don't.



You mean, do I see this as reflecting our individual political philosophies to some extent? If that's what you mean, the answer is a resounding "Yes."


Let’s say the arbiter is the truth. Contrary to the bell that induces slobber for some types, truth is not subjective no matter how much you might need it to be.

Your first response all the way to the smack and slather to this post reek. You got awfully caught up in the gas station pump commercials example. I was talking about ALL advertising in my post. You fancy your self a libertarian, then?
 

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cant he would pardon himself from being impeached its a win win for him and his supporters cant lose.

He cannot pardon himself from impeachment. The comment he made earlier was that he could pardon himself from any criminal proceeding in the judiciary (which is subject to some debate but likely correct). Impeachment is not a judicial proceeding.
 

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I believe that his operating theory such as it is that he thinks if he pardons himself then there will be NO "high CRIME or misdemeanor" to impeach him for. Or to put it another way the narrative from the right will be something to the effect of "you are impeaching him for what" ?

Or imagine it this way

When it came to impeaching Bill Clinton, not withstanding Newt Gringrich saying in a rare moment of honesty that it was "because we can" the "official reason" was because he lied under oath.

Well that is crime for sure.

Well suppose for a minute that Bill Clinton had pardoned himself for that and added the stock "boilerplate" line "any and all crimes he may or may not have committed"

They would have impeached him then for what ?
 
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