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Exactly. Talk to me when the U.S. flag is used to intimidate a black family that just moved into a white neighborhood or when it has been the only flag seen at a lynching.
Yes, point taken. Big of course, the bigger f*ing deal is that pic was made back in the 1920's when the Klan was huge and marched openly in Washington and viewed themselves as patriotic Americans. Now they're a marginalized group of haters and most Americans would happily kick their butts as look at them. Things have changed a lot in just under a century.
A flag is used to intimidate when it is draped along with burning crosses or hanging figures. As for your attempt at humor regarding lynchings all one has to do is look at some pictures that were taken at lynchings so you failed at being funny. What's next? Will you too say that no black person should ever have been afraid of the KKK? You wouldn't be the first on this site.How is a flag used to intimidate someone? I mean, I guess I can see how that could be the result of it hanging there or whatever but I'm confused as to how you actually IMPLEMENT it for intimidation. Also, it's been a while since I attended one so I can't speak as to what flags are present at a lynching.
A flag is used to intimidate when it is draped along with burning crosses or hanging figures. As for your attempt at humor regarding lynchings all one has to do is look at some pictures that were taken at lynchings so you failed at being funny. What's next? Will you too say that no black person should ever have been afraid of the KKK? You wouldn't be the first on this site.
I never said that those who have the flag are necessarily racist, in fact I've stated the opposite. If a person wearing or waving the flag walked up to a black person and asked why does this bother you, clearly not knowing or not caring about what that flag means, then that person is an idiot. It's called empathy and it seems to be something those who want to see the flag flown along with the U.S. flag don't have. Swastikas are no longer flown so according to you Jewish people should not get so hurt when they are seen. Swastikas/Holocaust and Stars & Bars/Racist past...both are horrible but according to your post one is bad and the other is just a reason to make jokes..Actually, my attempt at humor was due to your suggestion that the Confederate Flag is used these days to intimidate a black family moving into a white neighborhood or it being the flag present at lynchings as though they still occur. To your clarification in your last post, if there are burning crosses and hanging figures around, I don't think ANY flag is what's going to give me cause for alarm.
OF COURSE the flag has been used in many white supremacist environments - again, I have NEVER said that it wasn't. But that's not the ONLY thing that one can associate with that flag.
Actually, my attempt at humor was due to your suggestion that the Confederate Flag is used these days to intimidate a black family moving into a white neighborhood or it being the flag present at lynchings as though they still occur. To your clarification in your last post, if there are burning crosses and hanging figures around, I don't think ANY flag is what's going to give me cause for alarm.
OF COURSE the flag has been used in many white supremacist environments - again, I have NEVER said that it wasn't. But that's not the ONLY thing that one can associate with that flag.
Actually, my attempt at humor was due to your suggestion that the Confederate Flag is used these days to intimidate a black family moving into a white neighborhood or it being the flag present at lynchings as though they still occur. To your clarification in your last post, if there are burning crosses and hanging figures around, I don't think ANY flag is what's going to give me cause for alarm.
OF COURSE the flag has been used in many white supremacist environments - again, I have NEVER said that it wasn't. But that's not the ONLY thing that one can associate with that flag.
I never said that those who have the flag are necessarily racist, in fact I've stated the opposite. If a person wearing or waving the flag walked up to a black person and asked why does this bother you, clearly not knowing or not caring about what that flag means, then that person is an idiot. It's called empathy and it seems to be something those who want to see the flag flown along with the U.S. flag don't have. Swastikas are no longer flown so according to you Jewish people should not get so hurt when they are seen. Swastikas/Holocaust and Stars & Bars/Racist past...both are horrible but according to your post one is bad and the other is just a reason to make jokes..
I think what irks me most about Confederate flag supporters is the fact that they REFUSE to identify what the Confederate flag means to the majority of the world (including European White supremacist who utilize it instead of the Nazi flag because that flag is banned everywhere but the United States) and/or (the part that REALLY gets me) they REFUSE to DISTANCE themselves from what they know people associate with it.
It's like somebody says "The Confederate flag is a flag primarily flown by racists, White supremacists, and hate groups."
The response is, "It represents my heritage! Standing for what you believe in! Strength (?!)"
Which does not say, "I abhor the people who utilize the flag for racist causes. I'm not a White supremacist and I refuse to associate with people of any of those hate groups."
Unfortunately, that last part is usually not said because they don't feel that way. To move PAST this old rhetoric spouting match, there has to be some sort of common ground on the issue. It comes across that there is not.
This makes the response turn into, "My heritage is tied up in racist causes. I am a White supremacist and that's what I believe in! We are still strong!"
I wonder how many Confederate flag supporters realize that. Maybe that's a talking point.
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I think I'll post the video every time I make a reply in this thread. At least once per page.
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And if took this screenshot so you could see WHO was doing the talking in the video for you to watch it, that speaks volumes.
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That's right--you can associate all kinds of stupid shit with it, and if you want to stand up for all the moron shit it represents, fine by me.
This flag stands for LOSERS--maybe you can wag it on your wienie, too!
It does mean that as a decent human being, who has the ability to empathize and is able to put yourself in the shoes of another, that you should take down the flag. If one understands that it is offensive to others, then one should have no problem not flying it in their face. If it's just a flag that should not really bother anyone who understands its original meaning, then it shouldn't really bother anyone to not fly it either.Why would I sacrifice MY beliefs about what a flag represents TO ME just because it represents something awful to someone else? I do empathize with how they feel but that doesn't mean I have to take that belief as my own or back down from explaining why I feel the way I do.
I don't agree. Symbols are powerful and are used to unite those who wish to make common cause. For good or evil purposes.I've only said that flying it or not flying it doesn't do anything to enhance or subdue someone's racism.
No one is saying you shouldn't have the right to fly it. Fly it all you want on your own property but don't give it a place of honor on government land.I hate the comparison between the Nazi Flag and the Confederate Flag because it really isn't a good analogy. The Nazi Flag ONLY represented the Nazis and their white supremacy leanings. The Confederate Flag was a military flag that later took on white supremacist symbolism for SOME people. At the time of its origin, yes, there was a feeling of white supremacy but that was universal throughout the nation, not just in the Confederacy. I have always said I understood why black people didn't like it but you will also find black people, though a smaller number, who aren't offended by it. I have never said that black people shouldn't feel this way or that about it. I've only said that flying it or not flying it doesn't do anything to enhance or subdue someone's racism.
The Confederate Flag was a military flag that later took on white supremacist symbolism for SOME people.