You are so right, Wind! Arousal begins in the brain. It is for exactly that reason that size is so minimally important to orgasm, other than for those for whom it is a mental stimulant, and those who are not built to accomodate certain sizes and don't know how to make up for that. I think that women who are really in tune with their bodies, (what was that movie where they were all looking at their vaginas in the miror?) and open to exploration can find imense pleasure with penises of quite varied sizes, and emotional bonds of quite varied strengths. If, I had two choices, and two only, and they were A:ideal size B:love, I'd choose love. The choices here are small with love, or large without it. I can't choose from those, because for me, it does not seem like apples and apples. It's apples and oranges. I'd have so many questions of my own. Like, which one of them is is a better kisser? Which one of them gets more pleasure from eating women out, in general? Which one of them will be more responsive to my touch? Which one of them is more repressed? Which one of them will get harder, and stay harder longer? But just the two choices given? A small cock with love, a large cock without? Unless one automatically assumes that (for example) small=less satisfying sex, love=more satisfying sex, large=more satisfying sex, and without love=less satisfying sex, then this is not an answerable question. At least, there can be no blanket answer. Like most of these overgeneralized questions, if you ask 100 women, you will get 100 answers. Windy and I, for instance, do not agree. She believes the example I laid out above, and she has every right to believe it. I believe that to be not neccesarily true, and that doesn't make either of us wrong. When you come to Windy's bed, be packing, and show her some love! When you come to mine, just show me some respect, and leave your inhibitions somewhere else.