What is a good job?

[950483]

But she didn't give me the answer. She said that a job that couldn't provide for a family was still, a good job. So that's why I'm asking.

Any job is better than no job. I can't imagine that working in a plastics factory would be all that great. Perhaps she didn't feel that she had the choice to say otherwise if she wanted to keep that job.

 

[wallyj84]

Any job is better than no job. I can't imagine that working in a plastics factory would be all that great. Perhaps she didn't feel that she had the choice to say otherwise if she wanted to keep that job.

That's a good point.
She did say that was one of the only job opportunities available in that area.

The thing is those are the kinds of jobs Trump is promising to bring back. Those were the "good" jobs back in the 50s. But I'm not sure if they're good jobs anymore, at least in terms of pay. That's part of why I started this thread, to get a good idea of what people mean by "good" jobs.

 

[Perados]

That's a good point.
She did say that was one of the only job opportunities available in that area.

The thing is those are the kinds of jobs Trump is promising to bring back. Those were the "good" jobs back in the 50s. But I'm not sure if they're good jobs anymore, at least in terms of pay. That's part of why I started this thread, to get a good idea of what people mean by "good" jobs.

I don't think he will get "plastic factory" jobs back... he will aim for the "big ones"

He wants automobile industry, telecommunication and chemistry. But he also promised to get carbonate mining and stell industry back.
The question is, will he get them back and what is the outcome?

Should he get them back...
In case of carbonate, steel and telecommunication, the American industry would have to deal with higher prices (imagen an iPhone11 for $2000, simply because it's made in the USA), or the wages would have to be at Asian level (in this case not many would rate it as "good jobs")

On case of automobile industry, I think the quality of American made cars will suffer (many import parts), the price will increase and international American companies (maybe except of Ford) will lose competitiveness.

The chemical industry could be one of a few industries where "good jobs" could get created.




But all industries united one handicap. As soon as Trump tries to realize his policy of protectionism and suppression, other nations will treat American products and industries in a similar way.
At the end, more jobs will get lost as got created.

 

[Industrialsize]

I don't think he will get "plastic factory" jobs back... he will aim for the "big ones"

He wants automobile industry, telecommunication and chemistry. But he also promised to get carbonate mining and stell industry back.
The question is, will he get them back and what is the outcome?

Should he get them back...
In case of carbonate, steel and telecommunication, the American industry would have to deal with higher prices (imagen an iPhone11 for $2000, simply because it's made in the USA), or the wages would have to be at Asian level (in this case not many would rate it as "good jobs")

On case of automobile industry, I think the quality of American made cars will suffer (many import parts), the price will increase and international American companies (maybe except of Ford) will lose competitiveness.

The chemical industry could be one of a few industries where "good jobs" could get created.




But all industries united one handicap. As soon as Trump tries to realize his policy of protectionism and suppression, other nations will treat American products and industries in a similar way.
At the end, more jobs will get lost as got created.

Trump is in the deep end of the pool without the ability to swim.

 

[Chrysippus]

Just an opinion:
A good job is one that provides
1.) annual income above poverty level and can scale; annual income allows for savings
2.) a health care plan and other benefits like insurance, 401K/stable pension plan, profit sharing
3.) opportunites for advancement/job pathing including skill enhancement or new skill acquistion or
education
4.) a healthy work environment

This is just 'for starters'

 

[950483]

That's a good point.
She did say that was one of the only job opportunities available in that area.

The thing is those are the kinds of jobs Trump is promising to bring back. Those were the "good" jobs back in the 50s. But I'm not sure if they're good jobs anymore, at least in terms of pay. That's part of why I started this thread, to get a good idea of what people mean by "good" jobs.

They won't be good jobs in terms of either pay or job security or a sense of community as they may have been in the 50's.
After brexit one moron cheerfully announced the next day that the pound was down against the dollar already. I told him that was not a good thing. He insisted that it was and that eventually more factories would be able to relocate to the UK, and there would be more jobs. I'd rather not work in a sweatshop making nike trainers that I would never be able to afford to buy. Anyone who wants to relocate factories to the UK from Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, certainly has no intention of working in them. Just think how hard they'd have to screw people to make that financially viable!

 

[Chrysippus]

They won't be good jobs in terms of either pay or job security or a sense of community as they may have been in the 50's.
After brexit one moron cheerfully announced the next day that the pound was down against the dollar already. I told him that was not a good thing. He insisted that it was and that eventually more factories would be able to relocate to the UK, and there would be more jobs. I'd rather not work in a sweatshop making nike trainers that I would never be able to afford to buy. Anyone who wants to relocate factories to the UK from Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, certainly has no intention of working in them. Just think how hard they'd have to screw people to make that financially viable!

Plus the announced effort is to bring back manufacturing jobs--the one job sector most affected by robotic replacement of human workers. I also feel that there will be concessions expected in terms of hourly pay: if we bring them back, you will have to settle for the salary and benefit package we will offer, not those comparable in auto manufacturing or coal mining in the 80s and 90s.

Those miners who voted for Trump in WV and PA don't really think they're gonna get jobs that top out at about $30/hour with overtime rates of nearly $40, do they? More like: just be glad to get what we give you, and don't even think about a labor union.

To me it's ironic that Labor was largely responsible for getting manufacturing and coal mining wage/benefit packages to what they used to be--it certainly wasn't management who generously offered those packages without a fight with labor unions. I have a feeling that republicans will want to do with these new manufacturing jobs what Sen. Bob Corker did in Tennessee when VW came to Chattanooga: he made sure that it was a non-union manufacturing plant, and he put up a vigorous fight the last time unionization was up for a vote at VW USA in Tenn.

 

[ripsrips]

Money and hopefully something you really like doing.
I love my job, it doesn't feel like work, phone call and emails and I probably won't leave and make any sales calls today.
I'm still in my PJ's drinking coffee and enjoying the rain and seasonal creek on the back 40'
The real work comes when the rain stops and the 2.5gal of commercial Round-Up gets sprayed...that's a lot of weeds!

 

[Chrysippus]

Plus the announced effort is to bring back manufacturing jobs--the one job sector most affected by robotic replacement of human workers

Just a followup to illustrate my point:
Smarter Robots, With No Wage Demands
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-09-18/smarter-robots-with-no-wage-demands#p2
Industrial robots will replace manufacturing jobs — and that’s a good thing
https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/09/i...ce-manufacturing-jobs-and-thats-a-good-thing/
Restore U.S. manufacturing? Robots just took 60K jobs at a factory in China
http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...s-manufacturing-0527-biz-20160526-column.html
How Technology Is Destroying Jobs
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/515926/how-technology-is-destroying-jobs/

 

[phonehome]

I don't think he will get "plastic factory" jobs back... he will aim for the "big ones"

He wants automobile industry, telecommunication and chemistry. But he also promised to get carbonate mining and stell industry back.
The question is, will he get them back and what is the outcome?

Should he get them back...
In case of carbonate, steel and telecommunication, the American industry would have to deal with higher prices (imagen an iPhone11 for $2000, simply because it's made in the USA), or the wages would have to be at Asian level (in this case not many would rate it as "good jobs")

On case of automobile industry, I think the quality of American made cars will suffer (many import parts), the price will increase and international American companies (maybe except of Ford) will lose competitiveness.

The chemical industry could be one of a few industries where "good jobs" could get created.




But all industries united one handicap. As soon as Trump tries to realize his policy of protectionism and suppression, other nations will treat American products and industries in a similar way.
At the end, more jobs will get lost as got created.

Oh really ??

How is the quality of those BMW's built in South Carolina which get exported all over the world ?

Even to GERMANY !!

I believe it is the X5, every last one on the planet is made in the BMW plant in SC

 

[vince]

Oh really ??

How is the quality of those BMW's built in South Carolina which get exported all over the world ?

Even to GERMANY !!

I believe it is the X5, every last one on the planet is made in the BMW plant in SC

Having owned some BMW's, including an X5 until the warranty was finished, I can tell you the US built ones are not up to the German quality. Fit and finish is not German factory standards. More like a Tesla actually. The 2015 528i I had in Turkey was way better built than that rattle trap X5. And as they age, X5's are nothing but money pits as all the plastic parts under the hood age and crack and leak and the electronics go haywire. Mine, under warranty had the sunroof leak and ruin some electronics, the transmission shifted erratically and would go into limp mode, temp sensor and water pump replaced, and on and on. The check engine light seemed to spend more time on than off for 75,000 kilometres. Sold that p.o.s. and bought a used made in Japan Toyota which has had zero problems in 92,000 km. The only US car I'd buy is a Ford.

 

[deleted15807]

Having owned some BMW's, including an X5 until the warranty was finished, I can tell you the US built ones are not up to the German quality. Fit and finish is not German factory standards. More like a Tesla actually. The 2015 528i I had in Turkey was way better built than that rattle trap X5. And as they age, X5's are nothing but money pits as all the plastic parts under the hood age and crack and leak and the electronics go haywire. Mine, under warranty had the sunroof leak and ruin some electronics, the transmission shifted erratically and would go into limp mode, temp sensor and water pump replaced, and on and on. The check engine light seemed to spend more time on than off for 75,000 kilometres. Sold that p.o.s. and bought a used made in Japan Toyota which has had zero problems in 92,000 km. The only US car I'd buy is a Ford.

Only German for me. I had a Audi A8L that I loved that got totalled by my husband which I adored then I got an MB S-Class and it's clear the Germans know fit and finish and know what feels good to the hand and what looks good to the eye. The textures, the materials, the constant attention to detail is clearly the tops in the industry.

 

[Gj816]

A good job depends a whole lot on the company, incorporation. One that puts it's employees future into perspective instead of its own financial gains.

What I mean by that is one that offers a pension by vesting its employees after a certain amount of years. Offers a good employee insurance plan, and a very good living wage.

Instead, too many companies today have gone to 401k plans where they contribute up to 5% of what the employee contributes. They are more interested in giving big bonuses to their management and owners instead. Greed has gotten the better of way too many companies today.

While 401k plans are not totally bad, but depend on the the long haul. You still have to be vested in them. Many corporations can afford to invest in pensions which in my opinion are far better for the employee over the long haul. Especially if you spend 20 or more years with the company. Both the employee and the company have a vested interest in each other.

Having worked for corporations that offer one or the other, I'll take the pension over the 401k any day of the week. Fortunately I work for a company that offers a pension and lets me keep my insurance when I retire. Although I'll still have to pay for my insurance. It's far more stable than a 401k.

 

[keenobserver]

A good job depends a whole lot on the company, incorporation. One that puts it's employees future into perspective instead of its own financial gains.

What I mean by that is one that offers a pension by vesting its employees after a certain amount of years. Offers a good employee insurance plan, and a very good living wage.

Instead, too many companies today have gone to 401k plans where they contribute up to 5% of what the employee contributes. They are more interested in giving big bonuses to their management and owners instead. Greed has gotten the better of way too many companies today.

While 401k plans are not totally bad, but depend on the the long haul. You still have to be vested in them. Many corporations can afford to invest in pensions which in my opinion are far better for the employee over the long haul. Especially if you spend 20 or more years with the company. Both the employee and the company have a vested interest in each other.

Having worked for corporations that offer one or the other, I'll take the pension over the 401k any day of the week. Fortunately I work for a company that offers a pension and lets me keep my insurance when I retire. Although I'll still have to pay for my insurance. It's far more stable than a 401k.

I do not disagree with you here, but what you describe is a direct result of the tax cut mentality of the Reagan administration that each GOP president has made worse. This is a direct result of who you voted for over the years. Your corporate situation regarding benefits can be quickly changed by the corporation. It is happening all over the country now. Sooner or later it will happen to your corporation.

You really need to vote Democratic. Across the board.

 

[Gj816]

I do not disagree with you here, but what you describe is a direct result of the tax cut mentality of the Reagan administration that each GOP president has made worse. This is a direct result of who you voted for over the years. Your corporate situation regarding benefits can be quickly changed by the corporation. It is happening all over the country now. Sooner or later it will happen to your corporation.

You really need to vote Democratic. Across the board.

I haven't found a Democrat that I'd vote for. They're all too far left for my taste. Obama had eight years, Clinton had eight years. Neither of them tried to change any of that. Nor have the career politicans like Pelosi or Biden who have been there for decades, and this is the second time Pelosi has been in control of The House of Representatives.

 

[keenobserver]

I haven't found a Democrat that I'd vote for. They're all too far left for my taste. Obama had eight years, Clinton had eight years. Neither of them tried to change any of that. Nor have the career politicans like Pelosi or Biden who have been there for decades, and this is the second time Pelosi has been in control of The House of Representatives.

Simply false. You have the economic wreckage you voted for. You are unhappy with the results, but keep doing the same thing over and over. Your problems do not have anything to do with Obama, Clinton, Hillary, or Pelosi. Your problems all originate from one bad source, the guy you see looking at you in the mirror.

 

[Gj816]

Simply false. You have the economic wreckage you voted for. You are unhappy with the results, but keep doing the same thing over and over. Your problems do not have anything to do with Obama, Clinton, Hillary, or Pelosi. Your problems all originate from one bad source, the guy you see looking at you in the mirror.

Wrong, I don't have any problems. I'm satisfied with the company I work for. They offer very generous benefit package with vac, sick days, holidays, insurance, pension, and a generous living wage. I'm very satisfied with my employer and they are very satisfied with the job I do. It's a win win

 

[keenobserver]

Wrong, I don't have any problems. I'm satisfied with the company I work for. They offer very generous benefit package with vac, sick days, holidays, insurance, pension, and a generous living wage. I'm very satisfied with my employer and they are very satisfied with the job I do. It's a win win

It's a win - win until it isn't. You have no way to know when it can all go south. And when it does, it will be a result of policies you voted for over many years that are against your own interest. Many people were in your position - until they were not.

 

[bigmatt1983]

Recently there has been a lot of talk about bringing jobs back to America. The underlying assumption being that these will be, "good" jobs.

Well, what is a good job? What qualities does a job need in order to be "good"?

One that underpays Americans instead of non Americans. Its all a lie to keep money flowing into the pockets of people who don't contribute to society.

 

[DiamondJoe]

Yes, wh

One that underpays Americans instead of non Americans. Its all a lie to keep money flowing into the pockets of people who don't contribute to society.

Yes, what is the aversion to paying taxes?

If we all paid our tax like the rich or the corporations there would be fuck all for fripperies like roads, schools, hospitals and nice shiny weapons of mass destruction.