What is an "Alpha Male?"

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i am really harsh right now on my own sex. Very very harsh. Like I said before an alpha male is a man who gets shit done. i track productivity and performance for some really well trained highly educated professionals. I got the stats cold in black and white. Young women are out performing young men in virtually every phase of business productivity. If it weren't for the *mommy track* I could envision most companies being run by women in about 20 years.

I want to share a story Absolutely true. I opened an extremely well paying ($200K) position to any qualified candidate. The person who stepped up to the plate was a young mother breast feeding her 6 month old baby. All the male applicants could not make a decision. This mom, pumping her breast at lunch and changing diapers at night set a productivity record in her 2nd month and we paid her $46000 for the month. If this were an isolated instance I would chalk it up to one exceptional female but its not. i can quote stat after stat. Girls are the majority of valedictorians at school, they get the most college degrees, and they get the best jobs.

The prime minister of Germany is female, the PM of Chile is female, of Liberia, of jamaica. et al.

There are lots of alpha males out there only they are girls. Black males are a complete disaster. They are being relegated to afterthoughts in the world around us. They may have big dicks but they are falling so far behind world wide its tragic. Where are todays 12 year old girls going to find confident productive men to date and marry when most boys fall further and further behind.

I read a book about George Mcgovern. He was a liberal democrat Senator from Minnesota I think. he flew B-29 super fotresses over Germany in world WarII. The average age of a bomber crew was 19!!! 19 year old boys are so lost today compared to girls I can't imaging them being able to do anything like fly a plane thru anti aircraft 500 miles and not F things up.

I am usually conservative in my voting but the strongest decision maker in Congress is Hilary Clinton. I have watched and she gets stuff done. The biggest balls in the Administration are Condelezza Rice's.

I got a motto. *If you can change a tire you can change a diaper.* Today girls can do both, boys can't do either. having a big dick is the least thing a man needs to be an alpha male. What good is a big cock (ok maybe once in awhile) if its attached to a man to whom you are better than in every way.

Being in one of Canada's top educational institutions right now I do agree with you..... to a certain extent. Enrollment at my University is female dominated and the majority of accepted applicants to our business school (that i know personally anyways) are female. There is no doubt that women are beating men right now in many ways, especially academics.

You are however insulting men my age. Like we have no skills or leadership qualities. My last summer job was working in an office of professionals due of my skills. I was the only student who worked there, but I got the job because I was better communicator, and carried a stronger presence than anyone in that office. I was able to make people laugh, work smarter, and solve problems incredibly well. My strong social skills have always made me the group leader of choice among my FEMALE dominated classes (1-10 ratio). Through smart social sense and communication I have already made contacts in several countries around the world for job oppertunities once I am done school. I live the life that I want to, if I want something I bust my ass and get it.

I know that there are plenty of other men with drives and ambitions much greater than mine, so don't assume that a man in his early twenties is a clueless twat.
 

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Alpha Male Characteristics:

- Physical Precence (Eye Contact,Speaks and moves Slowly and decidedly lower voice, Physical Fitness)
- Leader of his group or member of the dominant group or males. Comfortable with and respected by other men.
- Status (Social or Material, etc)
- Demonstrates Skills and and offers demonstrated Value.
- Power/Ambition
- Decisiveness, Self Assuredness,
- Social, Sexual Emotional Competence/Experience. Dominance Behaviours.
- Self Control and Lack of Emotional Neediness.
- High Standards for personal Behavior
- Unwillingness to tolerate Sub-Standard behavior in others (esp. women).
- Driven and Focused on personal path and goals rather than externally defined goals.
- Indifference to female drama, general Unflapability, borderline cruelty.
- Implied williness and ability to handle any situation involving genuine threat to "his" woman/women up to including extreme physical force/death.
- Unrealistic Persistent Optimism. Energy Level.
- Abundance mentality, considers sexually available women plentiful and actively selects, tests and toys with them rather than the other way around.
 
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Young women are out performing young men in virtually every phase of business productivity. If it weren't for the *mommy track* I could envision most companies being run by women in about 20 years.

All of my gf's from Uni have better jobs/larger incomes than their siginificant other except for one and she is on level pegging with him. And I meet quite a few couples that have trouble starting a family because the wife is the main bread winner!
 

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Alpha Male Characteristics:

- Physical Precence (Eye Contact,Speaks and moves Slowly and decidedly lower voice, Physical Fitness)
- Leader of his group or member of the dominant group or males. Comfortable with and respected by other men.
- Status (Social or Material, etc)
- Demonstrates Skills and and offers demonstrated Value.
- Power/Ambition
- Decisiveness, Self Assuredness,
- Social, Sexual Emotional Competence/Experience. Dominance Behaviours.
- Self Control and Lack of Emotional Neediness.
- High Standards for personal Behavior
- Unwillingness to tolerate Sub-Standard behavior in others (esp. women).
- Driven and Focused on personal path and goals rather than externally defined goals.
- Indifference to female drama, general Unflapability, borderline cruelty.
- Implied williness and ability to handle any situation involving genuine threat to "his" woman/women up to including extreme physical force/death.
- Unrealistic Persistent Optimism. Energy Level.
- Abundance mentality, considers sexually available women plentiful and actively selects, tests and toys with them rather than the other way around.

To me the above looks like a macho man dressed different...

And I don't know why Ghandi keeps coming to my mind...as not a fit alpha male by some standards...:rolleyes:

The west try to shove concepts as rules and regulations...I will not swallow the recipe...
 

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Now, for my opinions on the matter... :biggrin1:

What are the characteristics of an alpha male?

An alpha male is confident, powerful, and has a commanding presence. He is sexy, but he may or may not be handsome -- his attractiveness lies more in his personality and social position than his looks.

People in his social circle think so highly of him that they defer to his opinion in most things.

Women are attracted to him, probably for instinctive and biological reasons. The human genome is not all that different from that of apes, and there is probably some primal drive in every woman that recognizes the most intelligent and powerful male as the ideal mate -- he has good genes and the ability to protect her and her offspring.

Even though I don't plan to have any offspring, I must have a lot of "ape" in me, because I'm often attracted to alpha males.

(That said, I have an equally strong attraction to the "class clown." I often prefer the "funny guy" over the "top dog." But if the "funny guy" happens to be the "top dog," then I am in some serious trouble!) :eek:

How does an alpha male behave?

He is a leader, but not a bully or an autocrat. He has earned the trust of others by making good decisions and decisively carrying them out. He is not timid, and is comfortable telling others what to do.

Although he has great authority, he does not abuse it. He may be somewhat arrogant and egotistical, but he is not self-absorbed. He may ask a lot of others, but he does so with respect. He cares about and is protective of the members of his "pack."

He doesn't put up with any shit from group members or outsiders, though. He is clear on his own identity and boundaries, and lets others know when they have crossed the line. He addresses conflict directly, but not in a cruel or demeaning manner.

He wears power comfortably.


Your definition is right on the mark.
 

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It was touched on by a few, but let's see if I can clarify.

It's really all about self esteem. A person with a high self esteem will more easily take command of himself and others, but not through the use of agression. Actually, aggresion is the sign that someone has lost his patience, senses he has no power to get his will fufilled and will resort to violence.

People with 'hot tempers' usually have low self esteem. People who remain cool and patient have high self esteem.

I think that the alpha male taht we're looking for is someone with high self esteem. And in my opinion, high self esteem can be learned and acquired.

Any man can become an alpha... it's all behaviour training.
 

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It was touched on by a few, but let's see if I can clarify.

It's really all about self esteem. A person with a high self esteem will more easily take command of himself and others, but not through the use of agression. Actually, aggresion is the sign that someone has lost his patience, senses he has no power to get his will fufilled and will resort to violence.

People with 'hot tempers' usually have low self esteem. People who remain cool and patient have high self esteem.

I think that the alpha male taht we're looking for is someone with high self esteem. And in my opinion, high self esteem can be learned and acquired.

Any man can become an alpha... it's all behaviour training.

As you have a nick Sequoia..now I think about native indigenous cultures that have warriors fighters...they are agressive and they are 'alpha males' they may be uncivlized and a brutus to some but is the way they embrace their societies...

Hot tempers in some cultures is part of the culture..is hot and scary to outsiders but is just communication style. Better be expressive and put all out where people understand other rampants than keep bottled inside until explode or implode...people may think othres are fighting and they are just talking really..:tongue:

Many cultures find 'anglo' 'colds' because they lack emotions as showing it in a different way more private...I don't think there is a right or wrong they are just being themselves.
 

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To me the above looks like a macho man dressed different...

And I don't know why Ghandi keeps coming to my mind...as not a fit alpha male by some standards...:rolleyes:

The west try to shove concepts as rules and regulations...I will not swallow the recipe...

Gandhi is a hero of mine and a heroic alpha male. Led non violently by example and not at the point of a gun.

Naughty and Multpass I am sure there are lots of great black men and great young men. On the whole tho things are not looking all that good. You confirmed what I observed.

Chrysalis, Not surprised that you are in a position of leadership. You write well. Plus you can make decisions. you decided to enjoy well hung men :). Nothing wrong I can see in that.

I don't know what to do about todays modern young men and what is occuring. i just some real distortions in the scheme of things.

Men need I guess to be leaders and nurturers. Comfort a sick child, wipe away a tear, hold someone dying, and still be there for the tough calls.

Getting kinda far now from nice big thick cocks now aren't we? So lets say he should be able to do the same and plow the shit out of you at the same time:)
 

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I think we should consider that there is a difference between an alpha male and a renaisssance man.

If you are going to talk about alpha males you are literrally talking about Bill Clinton, George Bush (1 and 2), Jack Welch, Ross Perot, Bill Gates, Donna Shalala (oops, kidding), Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, and the list goe on,....

Renaissance men .... well men from the time of the Renaissance, Pascal, Newton, Einstein, probably JA, Charlie Rose, Galileo, Leonardo, John Paul, Ghandi and the list goes on... (Definitely Archimedes)

You'll probably find on here guys of varying degrees that fit either or both characteristics but the idealized version that is both alpha and renny, that has been discussed here, would probably not spend much more than a passing glance on LPSG. So inclusion implies exclusion.
 

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Gisella,

You have hit on something... What is to one culture expressive is to another out of control. What is cold to one is thoughtful to another. I think we always have to put cultural differences into the mix....












As you have a nick Sequoia..now I think about native indigenous cultures that have warriors fighters...they are agressive and they are 'alpha males' they may be uncivlized and a brutus to some but is the way they embrace their societies...

Hot tempers in some cultures is part of the culture..is hot and scary to outsiders but is just communication style. Better be expressive and put all out where people understand other rampants than keep bottled inside until explode or implode...people may think othres are fighting and they are just talking really..:tongue:

Many cultures find 'anglo' 'colds' because they lack emotions as showing it in a different way more private...I don't think there is a right or wrong they are just being themselves.
 

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Chrysalis, in answer to the implied correlation, I always presumed my alpha traits came about as a result of being born a Leo, not because of having a hefty wang. As a matter of fact, I can remember my behavior being similar all the way back through my childhood...long before I was ever aware that my penis might one day serve some purposes other than what I already knew.

Paraphrasing my wife, she once told me that she developed a crush on me...the big cock just turned out to be a nice bonus.
 

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Chrysalis, in answer to the implied correlation, I always presumed my alpha traits came about as a result of being born a Leo, not because of having a hefty wang. As a matter of fact, I can remember my behavior being similar all the way back through my childhood...long before I was ever aware that my penis might one day serve some purposes other than what I already knew.

Paraphrasing my wife, she once told me that she developed a crush on me...the big cock just turned out to be a nice bonus.

I was born a Taurus, and my husband was born a Scorpio. I don't know that astrology has anything to do with it. But I wholeheartedly agree that (at least for me) a great cock is not the primary objective. It is a feature that only enhances the appeal of an already-great guy.

You'll probably find on here guys of varying degrees that fit either or both characteristics but the idealized version that is both alpha and renny, that has been discussed here, would probably not spend much more than a passing glance on LPSG. So inclusion implies exclusion.

Don't sell our members short. There are some very impressive men here, by any definition.
 

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I think we should consider that there is a difference between an alpha male and a renaisssance man.

If you are going to talk about alpha males you are literrally talking about Bill Clinton, George Bush (1 and 2), Jack Welch, Ross Perot, Bill Gates, Donna Shalala (oops, kidding), Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, and the list goe on,....

Renaissance men .... well men from the time of the Renaissance, Pascal, Newton, Einstein, probably JA, Charlie Rose, Galileo, Leonardo, John Paul, Ghandi and the list goes on... (Definitely Archimedes)

You'll probably find on here guys of varying degrees that fit either or both characteristics but the idealized version that is both alpha and renny, that has been discussed here, would probably not spend much more than a passing glance on LPSG. So inclusion implies exclusion.

:lmao: yeh Spiker..



And Naughty...I can help but to put culture on the mix not only because I come from another culture but I tend to think globaly...I keep remember of all and all and the differences and I keep going just like the battery bunny...
 

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I think we should consider that there is a difference between an alpha male and a renaisssance man.
Blow me down. I believe you're agreeing with me. :biggrin1:
If you are going to talk about alpha males you are literrally talking about Bill Clinton, George Bush (1 and 2), Jack Welch, Ross Perot, Bill Gates, Donna Shalala (oops, kidding), Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, and the list goe on,....
What about the men who aren't rich and/or famous? Surely they can also be alpha males?
Renaissance men .... well men from the time of the Renaissance, Pascal, Newton, Einstein, probably JA, Charlie Rose, Galileo, Leonardo, John Paul, Ghandi and the list goes on... (Definitely Archimedes)
I'll agree with that. What about Ben Franklin, H.G. Wells, William Morris, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Carl Jung...and Buckaroo Banzai. :biggrin1:
You'll probably find on here guys of varying degrees that fit either or both characteristics but the idealized version that is both alpha and renny, that has been discussed here, would probably not spend much more than a passing glance on LPSG. So inclusion implies exclusion.
Chrysalis is right. You need to give the men here more credit. Besides, have you really been here on the boards long enough to have gained enough information to make that judgement?
 

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As you have a nick Sequoia..now I think about native indigenous cultures that have warriors fighters...they are agressive and they are 'alpha males' they may be uncivlized and a brutus to some but is the way they embrace their societies...

Hot tempers in some cultures is part of the culture..is hot and scary to outsiders but is just communication style. Better be expressive and put all out where people understand other rampants than keep bottled inside until explode or implode...people may think othres are fighting and they are just talking really..:tongue:

Many cultures find 'anglo' 'colds' because they lack emotions as showing it in a different way more private...I don't think there is a right or wrong they are just being themselves.


Yes I agree that some cultures are hotter than others. But my philosophy is closer to Teddy Roosevelt's "speak softly and carry a big stick" Of course, many of us here seem to carry that big stick ;)

My point is that even within certian 'hot' cultures, the man who has the confidence of "I'm not worried, I could kill you at any time" and can communicate that confidence are the true alphas.

The guys that wave their arms and yell "I'm gonna fuckin kill you!" have lost control, and probably suffer from low self esteem.
 

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just to add something extra! How a women defines an alpha male also depends on her intelligence and educational background... more educated and more intelligent women rate behaviour and non physical prowess more highly than less eduacated women. One can easly understand why.. to be an alpha male in an eduacated environemnt one needs differnt skills, while to be alpha mle in a working class environment, physical attributes might be more important (i guess if your a builder physical strength is more important than brains and tact).

Also, something else that might be of value is that good looking people often have their abilities over estimated, this is known as the Halo Factor. Even at a subcontious level the physical appearance of a person alters our perception of their true abilities.
 

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Chaz,

I think it can go both ways. They say that with men the halo effect is in play with physical beauty. Often with very attractive women there is an assumption, especially if she is in a male dominated environment, that she perhaps used her physical attributes to help advancement. So I suppose it is best for us all to work hard....








just to add something extra! How a women defines an alpha male also depends on her intelligence and educational background... more educated and more intelligent women rate behaviour and non physical prowess more highly than less eduacated women. One can easly understand why.. to be an alpha male in an eduacated environemnt one needs differnt skills, while to be alpha mle in a working class environment, physical attributes might be more important (i guess if your a builder physical strength is more important than brains and tact).

Also, something else that might be value is that good loking people often have their abilities over estimated, this is know as the Halo Factor. Even at a subcontious level the physical appearance of a person alters our perception of their true abilities.
 

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Blow me down. I believe you're agreeing with me. :biggrin1:

What about the men who aren't rich and/or famous? Surely they can also be alpha males?

I'll agree with that. What about Ben Franklin, H.G. Wells, William Morris, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Carl Jung...and Buckaroo Banzai. :biggrin1:

Chrysalis is right. You need to give the men here more credit. Besides, have you really been here on the boards long enough to have gained enough information to make that judgement?

Its not like I meant to harshly insult but the idealized version really just doesn't have nor would make the time for LPSG. If you are honest you can see that. And yes I have, too much time, so I'm definitely excluded. And there are uber cool guys here and not so uber cool.:biggrin1:

P.S. Ben Franklin is the greatest choice for Ren category, followed by Archimedes. Michael and Tiger are the best examples for the alpha.

P.P.S Just used real examples that fit the definition of what Alpha and Ren mean so that many could visualize in a common fashion. I think this threads topic is good but some posts have been kind of strangely misogynistic. Almost scary funny.:smile: