What is "Forcible Rape"?

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Sex between an adult and a child is automatically rape in this country, consensual or not. In many US states, 'incestuous rape' is a subset of 'rape' and requires tougher sentencing.

And that's as it should be - but incest often takes place not just as adults. Vis a vis adult & minor relations, there've been plenty of older women knocked up by minors in the UK - no one jailed, but the child forced to pay support.

DW - the morning after pill is pretty cheap, & up to 13 weeks any abortion is still cheap - $350! They could do community work ffs as payment instead! A woman's right to choose, but a woman's responsibility for her choice. I'd never suggest minors pay though.
 

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And that's as it should be - but incest often takes place not just as adults. Vis a vis adult & minor relations, there've been plenty of older women knocked up by minors in the UK - no one jailed, but the child forced to pay support.

DW - the morning after pill is pretty cheap, & up to 13 weeks any abortion is still cheap - $350! They could do community work ffs as payment instead! A woman's right to choose, but a woman's responsibility for her choice. I'd never suggest minors pay though.

Right to choose what?
 

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I doubt the majority of Republicans or the party leadership give a hoot about abortion, and most consider it a private matter. This is just a bone to throw to the anti-abortion/Evangelical wing of the party, to keep them inside the big crazy circus tent and voting them back in office. "See, we really do want to overturn Roe v. Wade, but it's one step at a time, so hang in there with us". They're just grandstanding, even though they know it's ultimately going nowhere, just like their grandstanding "repeal" of Healthcare.

Why shouldn't the perp be paying for it? (if/when known)...
Because the 'socialist libtards' think you should pay for it out of your taxes. Yes, you personally.
 

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It never ceases to amaze me that after all of the challenges this forum has endured that so many of you insist on using personal attacks instead of discussing the facts and issues.:dunno: What would you do if the forum were closed? Could you offer anything else to the site and play by the rules? We've given so many allowances to this forum. I don't understand why you don't get it really.
 

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It never ceases to amaze me that after all of the challenges this forum has endured that so many of you insist on using personal attacks instead of discussing the facts and issues.:dunno: What would you do if the forum were closed? Could you offer anything else to the site and play by the rules? We've given so many allowances to this forum. I don't understand why you don't get it really.

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personally some of the sophomoric derivations on my handle are amusing.
 
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Because the 'socialist libtards' think you should pay for it out of your taxes. Yes, you personally.

Whether they have to put up with people like you intruding into their personal lives or not.

You guys just can't resist trolling can you?

These two posts totally negate what you wrote earlier in the week about trolling. We knew at the time it was BS. You take the thread off topic and choose to go for the personal attacks at every possible moment. If you think this forum needs more active moderation, be careful what you wish for.

It never ceases to amaze me that after all of the challenges this forum has endured that so many of you insist on using personal attacks instead of discussing the facts and issues.:dunno: What would you do if the forum were closed? Could you offer anything else to the site and play by the rules? We've given so many allowances to this forum. I don't understand why you don't get it really.
I don't get it either. The only explanations I can come up with would taken as ad hominem attacks.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me that after all of the challenges this forum has endured that so many of you insist on using personal attacks instead of discussing the facts and issues.:dunno: What would you do if the forum were closed? Could you offer anything else to the site and play by the rules? We've given so many allowances to this forum. I don't understand why you don't get it really.
I wasn't sure if this was directed at me or not, as it made no sense to me, but based on the following, I'll assume it was.

You guys just can't resist trolling can you? Even when your usual opponent is on the same side of an issue as you. He may differ on some details, but it is clear to anyone with normal reading comprehension skills that Faceking doesn't agree with the wording in the bill.
You well know there is nothing wrong with my reading and comprehension skills. You skate dangerously close to what you accuse me of yourself with your "trolling" comment and the rest of your post. For anyone inclined to label the one line you selected from my post as "trolling", "ad hominem" or a "personal attack", allow me to interpret for you:
Because the 'socialist libtards' think you should pay for it out of your taxes. Yes, you personally.
That was a satirical way of saying that faceking, along with many other "conservatives" on the board, continually and adamantly object to their tax money being spent on anything that they don't personally approve of and directly benefit from, contrasted with the philosophy of more broadly sharing the cost of running a society embraced by "liberals". It was in response to his proposition that rapists, if they could be identified, should bear the cost of abortions for their victims -- presumably so not a cent of his hard earned taxes on his 'investments' would be spent on something so frivolous as abortions for underprivileged women who were victims of rape.

(It is a proposition which is frankly absurd [imho] on many levels, not the least of which would be that the perps, if they were identified and prosecuted, would be serving jail time, victim compensation is generally a civil matter and tried separately from criminal cases, the cost to taxpayers for litigation would far exceed the cost of an abortion, etc.)

As I had no interest in having a protracted discussion on such a silly point, I condensed all that into a brief one-line comment at the end of my post. My comment was clearly facetious, obviously satirical, intentionally so for emphasis, though I think it has now lost some of its punch in the overexplanation. I would have thought my point was "clear to anyone with normal reading comprehension skills", at least the regular readers of this forum who know the players and have a decent sense of humor. Are we limited to adhering to a dry didatic style of discourse from now on? Are satire or having a sense of humor now considered out of bounds in the forum? Will they henceforth be defined as "trolling"? If so, count me out.

These two posts totally negate what you wrote earlier in the week about trolling. We knew at the time it was BS. You take the thread off topic and choose to go for the personal attacks at every possible moment.
I am completely taken aback by this extremely inaccurate and unfair characterization of my posting history. I makes me wonder who shares your personal bias, who's included in the "we" who knew my postings were "BS"? Very few have contributed anywhere close to the amount of honest, intelligent, thoughtful substance to this forum that I have, including the posts to which you refer, and I doubt anyone has contributed more in terms of links to outside sources to support the topics of these threads. Along the way I may drop in a bit of wit, satire, irony, even sarcasm, as many do - as you sometimes do. I may even take a hard line in response to some who take a hard line themselves, especially if they're particularly obnoxious, as others do - as you have done.

Meanwhile, obvious actual trolls have been allowed to run rampant through page after page, thread after thread, week after week, month after month, posting virtually nothing but disruptive, combative, deliberately inflammatory comments, for the most part completely off-topic, insulting and denigrating everyone to the left of them in toto and en masse, and contributing little, often nothing of substance. Talk about "BS".

As an example of "substance", "facts and issues", here's the remainder of my post from which you extracted that one line, which you apparently overlooked or dismissed, and notably did not quote:
I doubt the majority of Republicans or the party leadership give a hoot about abortion, and most consider it a private matter. This is just a bone to throw to the anti-abortion/Evangelical wing of the party, to keep them inside the big crazy circus tent and voting them back in office. "See, we really do want to overturn Roe v. Wade, but it's one step at a time, so hang in there with us". They're just grandstanding, even though they know it's ultimately going nowhere, just like their grandstanding "repeal" of Healthcare.
FWIW, and even though we had a bit of a dust-up a day or so ago, I don't see where tallguy's post comes anywhere close to "trolling" either. Also FWIW, in several instances over the past week I have carried on a straightforward discussion with faceking (check BBW36's school funding thread for one), and we even had a playful exchange about the Heaven's Gate cult. So you see, none of this is "personal" as far as I'm concerned.

If you think this forum needs more active moderation, be careful what you wish for.
My wish would be for good judgement and sensible moderation.

I don't get it either. The only explanations I can come up with would taken as ad hominem attacks.
I frankly don't know how to take any of this. I'm dumbfounded.

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That's all I'm gonna say on the matter.
I echo that. Veiled threats or no, I think I may just withdraw now.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me that after all of the challenges this forum has endured that so many of you insist on using personal attacks instead of discussing the facts and issues.:dunno: What would you do if the forum were closed? Could you offer anything else to the site and play by the rules? We've given so many allowances to this forum. I don't understand why you don't get it really.
It hasn't amazed me, it's left me bewildered.

In the end, it may serve the board as a whole to keep this area open, after all every town needs a play yard. Since many of the "rules" listed aren't adhered to (NAME CALLING as an example) and there's no indication that anything's being done about it, (perhaps there have been written PM warnings, but they clearly aren't having the desired effect if they were made) it may be best to treat this forum like a toxic dump. Retitle it Fresh Kills or 3 Mile Isle or Luv Canal:biggrin1: and then just try to contain the waste. As it stands currently this forum has little hope of being a real political forum. Even when a topic is introduced, it's often done with an obvious slant in 1 direction or another meant to agitate and very few members are active in ths area even when highly active everywhere else at LPSG.
 

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It never ceases to amaze me that after all of the challenges this forum has endured that so many of you insist on using personal attacks instead of discussing the facts and issues.:dunno: What would you do if the forum were closed? Could you offer anything else to the site and play by the rules? We've given so many allowances to this forum. I don't understand why you don't get it really.

It hasn't amazed me, it's left me bewildered.

In the end, it may serve the board as a whole to keep this area open, after all every town needs a play yard. Since many of the "rules" listed aren't adhered to (NAME CALLING as an example) and there's no indication that anything's being done about it, (perhaps there have been written PM warnings, but they clearly aren't having the desired effect if they were made) it may be best to treat this forum like a toxic dump. Retitle it Fresh Kills or 3 Mile Isle or Luv Canal:biggrin1: and then just try to contain the waste. As it stands currently this forum has little hope of being a real political forum. Even when a topic is introduced, it's often done with an obvious slant in 1 direction or another meant to agitate and very few members are active in ths area even when highly active everywhere else at LPSG.
Yup.
 

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As the hypocrisy and phony grandstanding surrounding trolling, personal attacks and name calling continues to fester among certain board members, here's an interesting piece regarding "forcible rape" from comedian Kristen Schaal of The Daily Show. Her routine really brings it home and exposes just how ridiculous & distorted the argument for the bill really is. - Kristen Schaal Daily Show | Rape Rape | Video | Mediaite

One of the main issues that is thoroughly debunked in this video is the idea that taxpayers are paying too much for abortions that are funded by the government. In 2006, the number of federally funded cases of abortion due to rape or incest was 191. That doesn't even average out to being half of a penny between actual taxpayers, regardless of whom pays more or less on April 15th. Like others stated before, it's just a swipe at a woman's right to choose, launched by the GOP who need to cater to their pro-life base.

But hey, what do I know? Considering that I'm supposed to be either "mentally ill" or "a liar", I guess my words don't really amount to much... do they? :rolleyes:
 

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Are there not women's aid groups and the like that would financially assist?

There are. But they are about as common as snow in May.

Just BTW, what is it under US law if two minors consent to have sex with each other?

Children playing with children, unless it gets violent or produces a child, is not an illegal thing. However it's also true that the young are also very naive. The true criminality IMO is denying the young adolescent sensible information about what the consequences of sex actually are, and the ability to stand up for their right not to be bullied, sexually or otherwise.

If there is force or incest, being a child perp is no barrier to prosecution.

My cynical view is that the ones in charger of this bill want to continue to be able to bamboozle young girls and boys into consenting to grown men and there to be a growing pool of increasingly dumb products of childhood pregnancies that will consent to debt slavery. And if it is too hard to prove the case against a sexual bully, the bully's seed will get its 'right to life'. Just like in the days of worldwide piracy.
 

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Are you kidding me??? lol

Any mod who thinks my remarks in this thread constitute trolling is incompetent.
 
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Do not flatter yourself that Nudey was addressing anyone specifically. There are plenty of others to whom it may apply.

No, a moderator specifically quoted me and accused me of trolling.

I find it disrespectful and irresponsible for moderation to attack people in public, especially when the people they attack aren't even the ones actually trolling this place and stirring up trouble. Mods typically go after the people who lash out in frustration at the trolls, due to the lack of effective moderation. It's amazing just how incompetent this place is becoming.