What is Obama good for...

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  1. ripsrips

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    Obama is only good for 2 things...(1) Making you afraid of it...and (2) Telling you who's too blame...without really wanting to help the country out and only looking out for his legacy.
    The reason he's not gaining in the polls is he doesn't get and he can't sell it!
    He should be at 60%.

    It's like jacking off and never shooting your load.
     
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    I guess you missed that he;s been gaining in the national and battlegroung polls for a good 7 days while MCCain/Palin are sinking.
     
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    So by your reply...I thank you for being in agreement with the first part of my post...Thanks.
     
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    Please adjust reading glasses, Industrial:

    Presidential poll tracker - USATODAY.com
     
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    How about the current news"
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    *** Sunshine on Obama’s shoulders: If you want to know why Obama is doing his debate prep today in -- of all places -- Tampa, FL, look no further than the latest TODAY Show/NBC/Mason-Dixon poll, which has Obama up in the Sunshine State by two points, 47%-45%. Yet inside those numbers, Obama leads McCain in the Tampa Bay area (Hillsborough, Pinellas, Pasco, Hernando, and Polk counties) by a 49%-43% margin. Mason-Dixon pollster Brad Coker says the key to winning Florida statewide is usually through Tampa Bay, and Obama’s six-point lead in the area explains why he’s ahead in this poll. Moreover, outside of Nevada, there is probably not another state that has been hurt more by the housing and credit crunch, and that may be benefiting Obama right now. Also potentially troublesome for McCain in this must-win GOP state, he leads by just six among Hispanics (49%-43%), which in Florida is made up of a majority of Cubans. (If Obama does pick off younger Cubans, he may close the overall gap thanks to his large lead among non-Cuban Hispanics in the I-4 corridor.) Also, McCain's four-point lead among seniors (48%-44%) is not as big as he needs it to be to offset the electorate-changing demographics among blacks and young voters. So Obama's decision to prep for Friday's debate in Florida is turning into a smart play, huh? Any extra day in Florida might pay off…
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    Video: NBC political director Chuck Todd breaks down the latest poll numbers from the battleground state of Florida, which is attracting particular attention from the presidential candidates.

    *** Here’s your Obama bounce: Florida isn’t the only state looking good for Obama after the political winds shifted last week. In Virginia, he’s up by three points among likely voters (49%-46%) and six points among registered ones (50%-44%), according to a new Washington Post/ABC survey. Also, a new round of Wall Street Journal/WashingtonPost.com/Quinnipiac polling shows Obama leading among likelies in Colorado (49%-45%), Michigan (48%-44%), Minnesota (47%-45%), and Wisconsin (49%-42%). The lone piece of good battleground news for McCain comes from New Hampshire, where the latest University of New Hampshire poll has the Arizona senator up by two points (47%-45%).
     
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    I'm curious... and this has nothing to do with your post directly... but I'm noticing these drastic swings....

    Are American voters that fickle...I'm already suspect of polls, but do we/I really want someone who sways with their vote within a matter of months, if not weeks, if not days???!!! If so, the short-term outlook implies that there is still plenty of time for the financial crisis to blow over, and be yesterday's news. After all, when was the last time you heard anyone talk about Iraq. That was Obama's platform that he was against the war and was going to pull out troops ASAP... what happened to that?
     
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    They swung towards McCain post convention because Palin was the shiney new thing that got everyones attention and now they are swinging to Obama because McCain said and it's FINALLY finding voice in the media:

    "The Fundamentals of the Economy are strong"

    "I don't really know much about economics"
     
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    Consider the source...(I can tell by the formatting)

    MSNBC is STILL teh most pro-Obama network, and continues to edit the news with a distinctive pro-Obama slant. I will say that it has become far less pronounced post-primary, but it is still there.
     
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    Although the economy is definitely in a tough spot right now, the fundamentals of it all are quite strong. If you make bad choices, or bad investments, the market should "punish" you, just as it "rewards" you for making good choices. One of the biggest problems right now is that we are allowing many people and companies who made bad choices get away with it. They put a lot of strain on the economy, and now we are all paying the price that should be mostly on their shoulders.
    This is what the cabinet is for. McCain has expressed concern over the Federal Reserve Board's oversight. McCain does not need to know the nuances of the runnign economy and how to modify them. What he needs to know and what he does know are what the major influences on the economy are and how the economy is affecting the lives of American citizens.
     
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    OBAMA is good for this country . .. McBush is more of the same.
     
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    and how can he "know" this if he admits he doesn't know shit about economics?
     
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    Ah- see you made a huge TYPO ... you Typed the word "obama" where you meant to type the word "EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN"

    Because, surely you can tell the difference between "hope"- what Obama is selling, and "FEAR"- which is the only thing the Republicans have been selling for 20 years.


    Fear of terrorists ( pulling out of Iraq will DESTROY AMERICA!!!)

    Fear or Illegals ( Hispanics will destroy America! )

    Fear of Gay Marriage ( Married Fags will Destroy America! )

    Fear of Evolution ( Evolution is destroying faith! which will destroy America!)

    Fear of Democrats
    Fear of national health insurance

    Fear of change.


    And, OF course... the holy power of Free Markets and De-regualtion to make EVERYTHING wonderful.


    And blame- Republicans have been blaming everything on Clinton... haven't you heard?

    When in fact, the only thing that has made ANY inroads into destroying America is Republican leadership.

    Destroying our economy...
    Destroying our civil rights...
    Destroying Constitutional limits on presidential power...
    Destroying the middle class...
    Destroying American prestige abroad...

    Destroying allegiance to the Nation, in favor of allegiance to a party.


    You have your eyes in backwards and upside down.


    Why is it that republicans always accuse others of the very things they are the most guilty of , themselves?
     
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    He knows it because it is near common knowledge, especially among politicians.
     
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    Why is it that Obama always accuses others of the the very things hi is most guilty of, himself? Truly, Obama is like a democratic Bush. In so many ways, his candidacy parallels GW Bush's 2000 candidacy.
     
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    you must have your glasses on backwards......
     
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    You really need to stop with the personal attacks. For one thing it shows the weakness of your own position.
     
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    NOT msnbc, all from 9/23:
    Here's a wrap-up of the four major national tracking polls for today:
    • Gallup: Obama 47%, McCain 44%, with a ±2% margin of error. Yesterday, Obama was up 48%-44%.
    • Rasmussen: Obama 48%, McCain 48%, with a ±2% margin of error. Yesterday, Obama had a one-point lead of 48%-47%.
    • Hotline/Diageo: Obama 47%, McCain 43%, with a ±3.2% margin of error. Yesterday, Obama was up 47%-42%.
    • Research 2000: Obama 49%, McCain 43%, with a ±3% margin of error, unchanged from yesterday.
    Adding these polls together and weighting them by sample sizes, Obama is ahead by a margin of 47.7%-45.3%, compared to a lead yesterday of 48.0%-44.8%
    Cnn Poll of Polls: Obama 49 McCain 44.
    PPP: Obama 51 McCain 47

    Average Projections of Electoral College on September 22


    I thought it might be interesting to get a sense of the basic current view of Internet prognosticators of the Electoral College outcomes. Three Blue Dudes provides an overview to 84 sites on the web that use various methods to project trends in the Electoral College. Twenty-one of those web sites updated their projections yesterday, September 22. Of those 21 sites, 17 gave Obama the advantage in the Electoral College, two gave the advantage to McCain, and two projected a tie. Neither of the sites that saw an advantage for McCain projected he had enough electoral votes to claim the presidency: just that he had an advantage among the states they felt they could project. The average Electoral College projections for the 21 sites that updated their projections yesterday were these:
    Obama 262.5
    McCain 234.8
    Ten of the 21 sites included estimates of toss-ups in their projections. Those 10 sites had an average 83.7 toss-up electoral votes.


    Among the 11 sites that did not include a toss-up category, nine saw an outright Obama victory, and two saw a tie between the Democratic and Republican nominees. Among these 11 sites, the average of the Electoral College estimates were:
    Obama 280.5
    McCain 257.5
     
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    I am not talking about their polling, I am talkign about their commentary adn reporting. Chuck Todd and his lackeys are like Obama-bots. Everything they type has been passed through a pro-Obama filter which exists whether Obama is doing well in the polls or not.
     
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    I thank you all for still being in agreement!
     
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    you republican rubes can SAY things... but that is not an argument.

    You have no evidence that Obama is anything like Bush. No evidence that Obama is accusing republicans of things he has done.

    REALLY and FOR TRUE... try and employ some THINKING skills.
    Tossing out accusations unsupported by argument, example or analogy is worse than weak...
    It makes you look like a tool of right wing disinformation.


    You guys really have to get away from personality attacks and focus on actual issues... like their POSITIONS.

    I am not saying that the Democrats in office are particularly brighter or have better ideas...
    I am saying that for 10 of the last 12 years, republicans have controlled both house and senate... and for 6 of those years... controlled house, senate, executive AND legislative branches.

    You can not blame ANY of this disaster on democrats because they had been rendered totally moot by republican control.

    Therefore... it makes republicans look particularly whiny and childish when, after all this time in power, they STILL blame everything they have done on democrats.

    The Nation, TODAY, is precisely what republican policy, alone, has made it.


    That should be evidence to any honest conservative that, either republican politicians do not enact conservative policies... or that conservative policies do not have the effect conservatives want.

    They have not resulted in a stronger, more stable nation nor economy.

    Therefore... true conservatives... as opposed to blind party fanatics... should be pressuring the republican party for SUBSTANTIVE REVISION.

    Clearly, the free market has proven that it would freely destroy an overly greedy and unregulated economy.

    Clearly, borrowing money and lowering taxes to spend wildly on a war that does us no good is not good fiscal management.

    Clearly, freeing up the private sector to do as they please has proven that the private sector is too incompetent, or too unprincipled, to responsibly run their own industries.


    And, clearly... the republican party- despite protestations of change we can believe in, has no plan to reduce spending ( which will have to PRECEED any increase in taxes to prevent even worse falls in revenue.)

    They would cut obligations to American citizens, to further a war that has not benefited the US. A war that has, in fact, diminished the standing of the US world wide.

    And they STILL beat the free market drum of how government is the problem rather than the solution.


    Conservatives... if they really do care about making this nation stronger, would realize that the Republican party needs to be taken out of power for a while, to teach those in power that they have to re-think their policies... and to give the party time to reflect on how they do not live up to their stated platform.

    When the shit hits the fan, economically, the US needs to pull back from foreign adventuring... re-build our depleted and over worked army... and focus on the needs of the American people rather than imaginary threats from a few thousand religious nuts.

    In business... if a particular business model does not work... does not achieve the objectives expected of it...
    Then you CHANGE it.

    The conservative government model has not worked... has in fact failed spectacularly.

    Are you business-like enough to accept that your theories of how the market works are wrong... and work on a new and entirely different business model?

    Or is the only objective of conservatism to put republicans in power and Keep them in power?


    If government is the problem... then, for the past 12 years, the government has been republican.

    Ergo republicans and republican policy is the problem.


    McCain and Palin are espousing the Bush Doctrine of fear and war and have NO plan to significantly alter free market initiatives.


    Our problems with Muslim extremism are rooted in OIL...
    Global Warming is rooted in OIL...
    Inflation in the market is rooted in OIL...
    No amount of drilling will keep pace with drying supply and rising demand...

    The obvious and intelligent solution is to do everything we can to eliminate dependence on oil... to eliminate the need for it...
    Doing so would SOLVE the four largest problems America is facing right now.

    And the republicans sit in their gatherings and CHANT "drill drill drill..."

    If you care about the future... about your childrens' futures... how can you possibly support the party and the plan that has failed and will continue to fail to address these real issues?
     
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