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*facepalm*

You know whilst your angsting and wringing your hands some other guy will just go for it, right?

We're back to square one - in this exact situation, what are you realistically bringing to the table? Not the thoughts in your head, not your intentions if you were a bit less shy (none of which anyone else is aware of) - what are you actually offering her? You are projecting your interest onto her and expecting her to be the one to act! You are guessing she likes you, but you know you like her - you act! Putting myself in her place, if someone kept staring at me but didn't speak, I'd be creeped out. You like her - you ask her out. Be master of your own destiny. Or keep complaining that the world is unfair while the girls you like go out with other guys who unabashedly let their interest be known *shrug*



Yeah... he's a nice guy BUT he's too timid. He's a nice guy BUT he's too needy. He's a nice guy BUT he used to date my friend. He's a nice guy BUT he's trying to play it too cool. It's the 'but' you need to pay attention to - being nice is not the issue. Too nice = polite way of saying someone is clingy/needy or a doormat which is not attractive. 'Too nice' is not 'nice', just moreso.



There are a couple of things that give me pause about this...you really can't be sure what she's aware of (so don't take it forgranted you know what she is thinking) and this is a girl at her place of work again. Also, if she's as hot as you say she probably gets guys hitting on her all day. Odds are some of them will have the looks and the banter. I'm not saying don't go for it - absolutely do, you need to start putting yourself out there... just manage your expectations and don't be crushed if you don't get the answer you want.

A guy (sorry I can't remember his screen name) has posted some good suggestions in the other thread about how to initiate conversations.

That's actually mine biggest issue. I'm worried she is already creeped out since its been so long then I read that women don't lock eyes with people who creep them out...just need an example of what would a guy need to say to you in this situation since it's been a long staring contest...
 
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That's actually mine biggest issue. I'm worried she is already creeped out since its been so long then I read that women don't lock eyes with people who creep them out...just need an example of what would a guy need to say to you in this situation since it's been a long staring contest...

What someone would say to appeal to me is not what someone would say to appeal to AE. One size does not fit all, in this situation.
 
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Yeah... he's a nice guy BUT he's too timid. He's a nice guy BUT he's too needy. He's a nice guy BUT he used to date my friend. He's a nice guy BUT he's trying to play it too cool. It's the 'but' you need to pay attention to - being nice is not the issue. Too nice = polite way of saying someone is clingy/needy or a doormat which is not attractive. 'Too nice' is not 'nice', just moreso.
PREACH, my sister!

I'll tell you shy guys what one of my close friends learned and told me. He had an attractive face. I'm usually turned off a little by blue eyes, but his are so soulful, and exotic in his tan Latin face. He also has beautiful, curly, light brown hair, and an easy smile. At the time, he was morbidly obese, but he had already lost over 100 pounds and was still going. (He is still overweight, but more average in build, just maybe 15-20 pounds of padding.) You could tell looking at him that he was gentle, even though he was 6'4", and if you spoke to him for 5 minutes he'd have you in tears laughing so hard. He's the funniest guy I know. These days he's got confidence to spare, but back in the day he was awful shy.

He used to work in a mall that was really high end, as a baker in a pastry shop. He worked with a guy who was barely 5' tall, and really unattractive physically. Nice guy, but butt ugly. Bad skin. Weird hair. Awkwardly put together features. No fashion sense. Still, dozens of stunningly beautiful women used to come to their shop daily just to day hello to him for a few minutes. They often didn't even buy anything, they just wanted to have a quick chat.

So, my friend asked him what his secret was. The ugly fella told him that he made it his business to talk to every beautiful woman he saw. Sometimes they'd stop and talk to him, sometimes he was ignored. If they spoke, he paid attention and remembered the discussion as best he could so he could build on that rapport. Consequently, he was adored by dozens of beautiful women, and lavished with attention.

Women are just people, no matter how you feel about them. Just talk.
 

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What someone would say to appeal to me is not what someone would say to appeal to AE. One size does not fit all, in this situation.
I realize that but I'll completely blanking...
Fade is correct. Me? If I'm making eye contact, but I don't approach, I'm not interested. I just think you're someone not to lose sight of. That's not a positive thing. I always approach if I want something. I go for mine. If I don't approach, leave me be, or I'll vanish like a ninja.

So, when I do approach, heart racing, mouth drying, fingers trembling, palms sweating, what do I say? It depends. I might offer a compliment, or comment on our surroundings, ask for a favor (like holding something for me, or watching my laptop while I go to the bathroom, or saving me a seat), or just drop a weird non-sequitur in his lap and see what he does with it. It's just some dude I don't know. If he likes talking to me, and thinks I'm cute, great! If not, that stings for a little bit, but then I'm getting on with my good day. I'm not meant for just anybody, let alone everybody. I don't need to hit a home run every time. So, it's okay if I say something stupid, or trip, or jumble my message and come across as crazy/creepy. It's easy enough to cut losses ad move on.
 
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That's actually mine biggest issue. I'm worried she is already creeped out since its been so long then I read that women don't lock eyes with people who creep them out...just need an example of what would a guy need to say to you in this situation since it's been a long staring contest...

Check out Sangheili's thread - a guy there made a post giving really good advice on initiating conversation
 
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I realize that but I'll completely blanking...

Contrast AE's thing with an approach I like. If I like someone, I may approach them, but typically only if there's an indicator that we'll have something in common. Video games, books, cooking, whatever. I'm a person who unless it's very blatant, doesn't realize when someone is flirting with me. I see pretty women and attractive men pretty frequently, that doesn't make me want to go talk to them. Physically appealing is just not enough, and I don't feel like using my time approaching someone with no indicator that we'll have something in common to talk about. Video games are a big one for me. It's why I first started talking with the guy who is now my boyfriend.
 

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I'm also not above using corny come-ons. It's pretty hypocritical, because I'd think it incredibly strange/stupid of someone dropped one on me. But there you have it. I've don't it more than once just to get a smile so I could introduce myself. Life is too short to be sidelined, yo.
 

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Yeah, I'm just wondering what attracts you to a girl to the point you would ask her out, since you post a lot about how you don't chit-chat and don't get introduced. I'm guessing it's looks since you don't seem to have another frame of reference that I can tell. It's not really important, I was just wondering

This would be an example of a type of girl I would love to ravage with the power of a 1000 Geat warriors. But like I said it varies for me lol.
 

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Fade is correct. Me? If I'm making eye contact, but I don't approach, I'm not interested. I just think you're someone not to lose sight of. That's not a positive thing. I always approach if I want something. I go for mine. If I don't approach, leave me be, or I'll vanish like a ninja.

So, when I do approach, heart racing, mouth drying, fingers trembling, palms sweating, what do I say? It depends. I might offer a compliment, or comment on our surroundings, ask for a favor (like holding something for me, or watching my laptop while I go to the bathroom, or saving me a seat), or just drop a weird non-sequitur in his lap and see what he does with it. It's just some dude I don't know. If he likes talking to me, and thinks I'm cute, great! If not, that stings for a little bit, but then I'm getting on with my good day. I'm not meant for just anybody, let alone everybody. I don't need to hit a home run every time. So, it's okay if I say something stupid, or trip, or jumble my message and come across as crazy/creepy. It's easy enough to cut losses ad move on.

Shit...you saying she aint approaching cause she aint interested. She seems very very girly girly shy...cutesy....I highly doibt she has ever approached a guy..she was bold once to follow me as our eyes locked for 8 seconds straight....it ended cause I walked past....and a wall came in the way
 

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Oh another pretty important point: im not entirely sure BUT this women has been working at this tiny tiny women fashion accessories store for over 10 years....I think she might ne the same woman lol....since highschool i have noticed her.....and she has come out of her store to look what im up to as i pass her by before too
 
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Shit...you saying she aint approaching cause she aint interested. She seems very very girly girly shy...cutesy....I highly doibt she has ever approached a guy..she was bold once to follow me as our eyes locked for 8 seconds straight....it ended cause I walked past....and a wall came in the way

People who don't know me think I'm shy, innocent, and a whole host of other things that they're entirely wrong about. She may well have approached people, but if YOU are interested, then YOU approach her. Sitting on your hands waiting for someone to make the first move is an exercise in frustration.

I made the first move on my boyfriend. I made the first move with a few significant others I've had, because I was very interested, and didn't want to miss an opportunity.
 

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Shit...you saying she aint approaching cause she aint interested.
I'm saying no such thing. I'm saying we'reall different. I ALWAYS approach. My best female friends NEVER approach. Well, one of them has recently started because she wants her life to change. Maybe she's interested, and maybe she isnt. I can't know. Go ask her. Quit being a baby.
 

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I'm saying no such thing. I'm saying we'reall different. I ALWAYS approach. My best female friends NEVER approach. Well, one of them has recently started because she wants her life to change. Maybe she's interested, and maybe she isnt. I can't know. Go ask her. Quit being a baby.


Yes mother...actually I talk to and get numbers all the time. I had a brutal bad experience once so unless a woman is peeling off her clothes I think it's safer to think she is not interested...

The other thing is Im quite stressed in my life right now. It shows on my face...so i feel like i wont be any fun....and since i have to pass her daily that would be heartbreakin' if she rejects me...
 

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PREACH, my sister!

I'll tell you shy guys what one of my close friends learned and told me. He had an attractive face. I'm usually turned off a little by blue eyes, but his are so soulful, and exotic in his tan Latin face. He also has beautiful, curly, light brown hair, and an easy smile. At the time, he was morbidly obese, but he had already lost over 100 pounds and was still going. (He is still overweight, but more average in build, just maybe 15-20 pounds of padding.) You could tell looking at him that he was gentle, even though he was 6'4", and if you spoke to him for 5 minutes he'd have you in tears laughing so hard. He's the funniest guy I know. These days he's got confidence to spare, but back in the day he was awful shy.

He used to work in a mall that was really high end, as a baker in a pastry shop. He worked with a guy who was barely 5' tall, and really unattractive physically. Nice guy, but butt ugly. Bad skin. Weird hair. Awkwardly put together features. No fashion sense. Still, dozens of stunningly beautiful women used to come to their shop daily just to day hello to him for a few minutes. They often didn't even buy anything, they just wanted to have a quick chat.

So, my friend asked him what his secret was. The ugly fella told him that he made it his business to talk to every beautiful woman he saw. Sometimes they'd stop and talk to him, sometimes he was ignored. If they spoke, he paid attention and remembered the discussion as best he could so he could build on that rapport. Consequently, he was adored by dozens of beautiful women, and lavished with attention.

Women are just people, no matter how you feel about them. Just talk.

So curious that what do women get out of stopping in to talking to him? Don't they feel it's a waste of time.
 

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One more thing: is it bad or good if I go in the store and just buy something to interact or is that too weird and i should just make a beeline for her?...never went in the store ever just pass by a lot.
 

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one thing i thought of was to say im buying something for a girl who has her exact same taste and whats her favourite scarf etc.....and in this store they have good customer service so she will ask "can i help u" ....then i thought at the end i could hand it to her and say its for u? yes i realize its beta beta but...uhh....i want something amazing
 

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You can't ride a unicorn if you're unfamiliar with horses.

Unicorns don't exist.

You don't start an at-bat with a 3-0 count.

Cricket sucks.

All in all, you have to be comfortable with who you are before you will ever be comfortable with someone else. Confidence, not arrogance. Be a little cocky, but also funny. Cocky without funny = asshole and women won't be interested.

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