What is your stance on abortion?

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If this really is a political thread, I guess we can discuss this extremely hot button issue.

My stance is pro life. I feel the stance is completely forced on me. For me to be pro choice would be hypocritical. My birth mother chose adoption over abortion. It should not have been a choice for her to make, and it should not be a choice for any pregnant woman to make. It's scary for me to fathom my non existence. I shudder to think that I could have been thrown out.

I have never accepted the distinction between abortion of a baby and abortion of an egg. Each is capable of growing up into a sensible, interesting, fun human being. If it worries you that you might have been aborted, just consider every one of your potential siblings as every month one was aborted by your mother.

There is no moral difference between their deaths and yours. There is a practical difference in that your mother could not possibly have raised so many children. Even if she had stuck with just one every nine months it would still likely have brought her to an early death. Is that what you choose?

You are suffering from survivors guilt, like the ones who got away from Titanic (in the news now) compared to those who were left behind because there were no lifeboats.

Legalised abortion is no more than an acceptance that not only is it impossible for every potential person to be born, it is utterly undesirable. We are already heading for an unsustainably high population. People will suffer mass famines in the not too distant future. Too many people are being born and they WILL die from overcrowding. It is essential we mange our population level. Every abortion of a child in circumstances where the mother was unable to raise a child at that time leaves room for another child who is welcomed.

Maybe you feel upset at the thought you might not have been born, but always consider that had you not been -even through abortion- quite likely someone else would have been.

And I havnt even touched on the question of why you think you had a right to demand another human being become your unpaid, suffering life support machine for nine months.
 

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Every woman has to make her own choice and i would rather see a safe sterile option that the back ally's of the pre 1970's. In reality the only ones they are effecting is the poor women because any woman with means to pay has many options. I feel they are just bulling the poor who have no means to fight back.
 

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I would rather see the time, money, and effort put into arguing over this issue put into making the world a place where parenthood is celebrated and supported by society as the absolutely vital institution it is: where being a single mother (or father, for that matter) and staying home does not mean you're a villainous welfare mom; where even the poorest family can afford to let at least one parent stay home to raise the children; where putting a child up for adoption is recognised as the noble decision it is - and not as some sort of family shame to be hushed up; and where contraception is recognized as a responsible form of family planning.

I believe that if everyone out there who purported to be for "family values" put the social effort into supporting parents and encouraging parenthood on a societal level that they put into peripheral non-issues like contraception and equal marriage, we'd see abortion rates plummet - because we might actually be supporting women and supporting families instead of attacking and shaming them at every turn.
 

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If this really is a political thread, I guess we can discuss this extremely hot button issue.

My stance is pro life. I feel the stance is completely forced on me. For me to be pro choice would be hypocritical. My birth mother chose adoption over abortion. It should not have been a choice for her to make, and it should not be a choice for any pregnant woman to make. It's scary for me to fathom my non existence. I shudder to think that I could have been thrown out.

I would like to note that the abortion issue does not always effect my voting record. I still vote for candidates that are pro choice if they are pro other things I agree with.

Pro choice, I believe in the final picture it is up to the woman to decide, even if the father wants the child, he isn't the 1 carrying it inside. If someday medical advances make that a possibility then transfer the fetus over and let him have at it.
A woman should have the option to carry to term and raise the child or give it up and she should have the option to abort if that is what she wants.

A big problem with the idea of the pro-life people is they don't take into account rape, or other matters such as health issues to either or both parent and child.
 

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As an abortion doctor I LOVE abortions! It's what pays for my vacations, season football tickets, cars and other wonderful things. Besides, we need to do more to protect mother Earth and keeping down the numbers of humans is a good start. I always get a kick out of smashing that little bastard's head with my forceps as I exclaim "See ya! Wouldn't want to be ya!" lol! Thank God (oh wait a minute, there is none!) those little pieces of filth don't have a say in the matter! If they did I'd actually have to help people! lol!

Anyway, I actually think the abortion laws are way too restrictive. It should always be the woman's choice and I think even children should be able to have their meaningless lives snuffed out if the woman decides later that she made a mistake in having the little bastard. I mean, I don't think life really starts until you can actually walk, right? So as long as they're still crawling we should be able to take a hammer to their fucking head.

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An enlightened, loving liberal abortion doctor
 

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Pro-choice here.
Let's be clear that the other side isn't the only one that is pro-life. For many, if not all, on the choice side believe that birth is preferable but realize that the decision is the woman's alone.

Also funny that many on the pro-life side are also for the death penalty
 

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I always get a kick out of smashing that little bastard's head with my forceps
A little tasteless, dont you think?

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An enlightened, loving liberal abortion doctor
Your idea of fun?

An enlightened, loving, liberal doctor would understand that everyone dies. No one has a right to live. We humans get some crazy ideas about the divine right of humans as gods to walk the earth and strike fear into any living thing we come across. We get crazy ideas we know how others ought to live. We know so well what is good for others we go out and kill them if they dont live the way we say. Or we lock them up because we dont like what they are doing despite it not causing any harm to us. We have no innate right to life. The only rights we have we give to each other.

Abortion is an extreme form of birth control but it is no different to wearing a condom. I agree with the catholic church on that. Where I disagree is this loopy divine right to life. I see where it came from, when there was a big need to boost the population. But denying birth control is a recipe for death for all of us and all we seek for ourselves and our families.
 

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How can a prolifer shoot somebody?
Simple. They care about it until it's born. After the baby exits it's mother they could care less what happens to it.

Don't you love how they say they are doing the Christian thing in defending life but tend to do the un-Christian thing by being against assistance to the poor and needy? Love that fetus enough to see that it gets born but not enough to help provide food and shelter after it's here.
 

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Simple. They care about it until it's born. After the baby exits it's mother they could care less what happens to it.

Don't you love how they say they are doing the Christian thing in defending life but tend to do the un-Christian thing by being against assistance to the poor and needy? Love that fetus enough to see that it gets born but not enough to help provide food and shelter after it's here.

This. Pro-Choice FTW.
 

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As an abortion doctor I LOVE abortions! It's what pays for my vacations, season football tickets, cars and other wonderful things. Besides, we need to do more to protect mother Earth and keeping down the numbers of humans is a good start. I always get a kick out of smashing that little bastard's head with my forceps as I exclaim "See ya! Wouldn't want to be ya!" lol! Thank God (oh wait a minute, there is none!) those little pieces of filth don't have a say in the matter! If they did I'd actually have to help people! lol!

Anyway, I actually think the abortion laws are way too restrictive. It should always be the woman's choice and I think even children should be able to have their meaningless lives snuffed out if the woman decides later that she made a mistake in having the little bastard. I mean, I don't think life really starts until you can actually walk, right? So as long as they're still crawling we should be able to take a hammer to their fucking head.

Signed,

An enlightened, loving liberal abortion doctor

Good to see we're all able to carry on a serious, adult discussion of this topic.
 

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The fact is, if you saw videos of lots of things you would be disgusted.

But there's a difference between seeing a video, being in a video and facing the consequences of participating in whatever occurs in a video, and having to live with the consequences.

What's worse:

Five or ten minutes of surgery or a lifetime of hardship, financial instability, 'depression', anxiety, resentment towards the child (perhaps) and many of the other things that are real consequences of not having an abortion which have much longer lasting and much more detrimental effects than a surgical operation.

It's alright for you crazy religious nuts to call women murderers, I would call them enlightened and wise if they choose to get an abortion, depending on the circumstances obviously. But would you look after all these babies that would be born if you were allowed to say what a woman you have never met does with her body, and force her to give birth to a baby she doesn't want? Would you make sure the baby is fed, clothed, lives in habitable conditions, is actually cared for and wanted by its mother, etc?

No, you wouldn't.
 
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No, you wouldn't.

Totally true.

I travel and work in some pretty poor places and you can see what happens to unwanted kids that can not be properly provided for by their parents, if they ever had any.

Edited out the link to Monty Python's "Every sperm is sacred" just in case it breaches the minors rules.
 
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