What women want, & Anthony Weiner

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This is something interesting I have always tried to figure out, and it seems like men get mixed signals, or actually, we are just not interpreting the signals from women correctly.

It has always annoyed me the way men are portrayed in video media, like TV shows, movies, and even commercials. Men are typically shown as being bungling neanderthals, cluelessly stupid, childish dweebs, selfish "bad guys" or just plain incompetent. I always choked this up to the fact that most video media is typically aimed at women, as on average, they consume more video media than men, especially television. I figured women like to get a good laugh at a man's expense after dealing with more authoritative, assertive, competent men in the real world. While this has always annoyed me, as it plays stereotypes, I just sort of accepted it, turned off the TV and went about other more enjoyable hobbies than watching TV.

Recently however with Anthony Weiner back in the news-tainment media again for his impropriety, there have been several surveys going around that young women in the under 26 year old age group find this man highly desirable. Weiner, to most people (including myself) is a lying, scheming, weak-spined excuse for a man, and cannot figure out why anybody would find him desirable, especially for a social relationship. He has proven that he cannot be trusted in a relationship. As a typical man, we are generally not only hard-wired to be, but to also think that women desire an honest, assertive, smart strong man. For my own wife, this is certainly true, and one of the reasons why she is attracted to me, but for a large contingent of women, especially younger ones, this is not the case apparently.

It appears that the idiotic, buffoon male stereotype that is portrayed on television programs is more than just simply a good laugh at watching the tables get turned, but it's actually the DESIRABLE traits that women want in their men these days!!! It's a modern form of femininsm mind you. Young women apparently want to be the assertive and smart ones in a relationship. They want their man to be merely a "boy toy" or "fashion accessory" that they can use and take advantage of, support them and their endeavours, milk for what they desire, and then throw out. A man like Weiner fits this description perfectly, as he is in a high - profile money making position, but he lets people walk all over top of him, and has no real serious attachment to any one woman, so he's easy to get rid of when they are done with him.

I see this as a very sad shift in society. What are your thoughts on this topic? Do you see the connections here the same way I do?
 

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there have been several surveys going around that young women in the under 26 year old age group find this man highly desirable.

Really? Personally I think he's rather homely. Like a rat/bird face. Also, not too many women want to be known as, "Mrs Weiner". What if your name was Olivia? Wouldn't that suck. "You love uh my what?" And speaking of, I have two words for the real Mrs Weiner ... you fool.
 

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Young women apparently want to be the assertive and smart ones in a relationship. They want their man to be merely a "boy toy" or "fashion accessory" that they can use and take advantage of, support them and their endeavours, milk for what they desire, and then throw out. A man like Weiner fits this description perfectly, as he is in a high - profile money making position, but he lets people walk all over top of him, and has no real serious attachment to any one woman, so he's easy to get rid of when they are done with him.

Then one they these girls will grow up and understand that there are better guys around.
 

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Really? Personally I think he's rather homely. Like a rat/bird face. Also, not too many women want to be known as, "Mrs Weiner". What if your name was Olivia? Wouldn't that suck. "You love uh my what?" And speaking of, I have two words for the real Mrs Weiner ... you fool.

Or Ivana.
 

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Well, this guy says what women want best: What Women Want - Brian Scott McFadden on Late Show David Letterman - YouTube

Honestly, the opening post does a good job of describing men today, I'm not sure that's so much what every woman wants, but that is certainly the state of masculinity today. The narratives that we raise our children on for the last thirty years largely have male roles dedicated to serving others and being lost without them.

The buffoon is the default character portrayal for men in the media, and not just in works of fiction. Its easy to empathize with an idiot, and in western (American) culture, we really don't treat intelligent people (especially men) very well. Not too long ago, there was some media crisis about global warming, and the thing that struck me, was that when they had a PHD or official on to speak, they introduced them as a game show host might with, "Let's bring out the nerds!" There is even a body in America that considers higher learning, large words, and critical thinking skills as being tools of elitists, as Rick Santorum said while running for President. Feminism has done a good job of making women's education unimpeachable, but for men its not a great accomplishment. What we demand is a sense of humor, where the 2012 elections had coverage dedicated to what zingers the party nominees were trotting out. Zingers.

As far as I can tell, we encourage men to be fools in Western culture or we certainly don't help them. If Anthony Weiner was a woman, there would be no question that her panties and puss would all over the net, but there would be a support for her there that would shame anyone who brought it up with any number of feminist buzz words and societal outrage. The best support Anthony gets is "who cares about his dick pic", while every show has aired it multiple times with jokes and captions. I saw Anthony while he was a congressman, and he was awesome. One dick pic erases his personality and integrity better than any criticism or interview.

Meanwhile Sarah Palin continues to write articles that have no content, post tweets quoting things she clearly does not understand, and spouting reactionary garbage that makes people angry without actually giving them a reason to be. A sizable portion of America wants her to run for President. WTF.

Congressman Steve Cohen tweets, "nice to know you were watchin SOTU(state of the union). Happy Valentines beautiful girl ilu", and immediately the scandal alert goes off and its the talking point of the news-tainment industry...only he thought she was his daughter at the time. I'm not willing to peg these issues as society conforming to women's changing views on what men should be, but I do believe that masculinity has declined or at least the dignity of public discourse has. Would FDR, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, or John Kennedy have been able to make it in this America today? No. Kennedy was having affairs in the White House pool, he'd be impeached or have to do an apology tour that would destroy his efficacy as president. FDR was an actual progressive liberal who favored worker's rights, he would never get close to office, instead being packed into some third party that no one knows about. Abraham Lincoln fought an entire war about how far states rights actually went, and people are still trying to disagree with him. And Teddy...omg Teddy...I don't doubt for a second he wouldn't be fountaining hateful invectives at the entire governmental process as he loaded his gun.
 
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Women are attracted to anthony & guys like him because he doesn't care what people think. Ever since feminism has changed from wanting women's equality to basically shaming man hood, it seems like 90% of men in America have collectively handed over their balls thinking its what women want. When in reality women truly want the 10% who laugh at that notion & do whatever they please. Something about being an aloof prick makes women wet. They might say they want an agreeable guy who is willing to do things for them & adjust to make her happy, but in reality, that weak spined bs is nauseating & unattractive.

Why do you think it's guys like anthony wiener or anyone with the "captain of the football team" attitude get all the women. while the "nice guy" who tries to please & bend over backward to get a girl they truly care about is always left with a dry penis.

His scandal & the study showing that he's attractive to women even after all the sketchy things he's done is just a small example of the state of our sexual market. Notice how he keeps hooking up & sending/probably receiving tons of nudes? Obviously this dude has pretty solid game, he just needs to wise up & stop hooking up with immature women who want to cause a scandal with MTV reality shows *cough* I mean news corporations *cough*

I say kudos to mr wiener, I'd rather vote for a guy like him than the typical square suite that floods are nations lame ass government
 
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Bitching and moaning about a portrayal of guys bitching and moaning. Too bitchy and moany, didn't read.
 
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I don't think anyone is moaning, just describing the reality of the sexual market.

No it is moaning, every older generation does it. The young generation this and the young generation that. The great part about it is that i would never teach my daughter to go for guys like Weiner based mostly on his name cause eww but also on a whole list of other things.

At the same time, i don't think the implications of what was said are fully understood.

"Young women apparently want to be the assertive and smart ones in a relationship." What? So woman can't, usually isn't and/or isn't expected to be assertive or smart? What kind of daughters are you raising here?

"They want their man to be merely a "boy toy" or "fashion accessory" that they can use and take advantage of, support them and their endeavours, milk for what they desire, and then throw out." Correct me if i'm wrong but don't a good amount of guys do this to women? Why is it a problem for women to do these things to guys but not the other way around?

"A man like Weiner fits this description perfectly, as he is in a high - profile money making position, but he lets people walk all over top of him, and has no real serious attachment to any one woman, so he's easy to get rid of when they are done with him." I'm pretty sure there are women out there that find that highly attractive. As in no strings attached sexy time. Something dudes get away with all the time. And when i say get away with, what i really mean is encouraged.

"I see this as a very sad shift in society. What are your thoughts on this topic? Do you see the connections here the same way I do?" So once more, stereotypes of the stupid woman have been plastered everywhere for years and years and if/when the tables are turned you want to be sad?

And as far as the many many portrayals of men in the media. What? Are you serious? Every movie, tv show, commercial, novel, comic book, video game and porn have many and i mean many a strong male lead. So excuse me if my calling bullshit rings a few bells.

Competent? Really? And you saw none of this on the boobtoob huh?
 

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It appears that the idiotic, buffoon male stereotype that is portrayed on television programs is more than just simply a good laugh at watching the tables get turned, but it's actually the DESIRABLE traits that women want in their men these days!!!

Weiner is also a famous politician, a once and possibly future powerful man.

I work in politics, to an extent. And one quote sticks in my head, "You wouldn't believe what happened on the conference room table."
 

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The older generation always grumbles about the younger culture, I was just talking to my mom yesterday & she kept asking how "this 2 chainz character is famous" I couldn't help but chuckle hearing her say that lol.

But being of the younger generation (21) I'm just making statements from what I see on a daily basis on what works/doesn't work when I hook up with my conquests. If you think you can "teach" or control what your daughter is going to be physically attracted to, you're gonna find yourself very frustrated. You'll have a better shot at trying to freeze fire. I will say this though, girls with daddy issues generally are more extreme with falling for average game than a girl who grew up in a strong household. But at the end of the day most women are attracted to the alpha male with a somewhat aloof mindset. Trying to "teach" her to not be attracted to that is like trying to "teach" a horny 16 year old guy to not be attracted to big boobs, slim waist and a large ass, it's almost impossible.

About the assertive & smart thing, women, in general don't want to take control, men are supposed to do that. The man is supposed to set the date, the man is supposed to make the first move, the man is supposed to lead because that's what women (again in general) are attracted to. A woman of high quality doesn't want a wishy washy guy who's afraid to be a man. The same way guys (generally) aren't attracted to women who act like men. Opposites attract. Doesn't mean men or women are smart or stupid, attraction isn't logical, it just is what it is. That might upset you & people might disagree for no apparent reason, but at the end of the day women are generally attracted to guys with that personality & men are attracted to women with a feminine personality. Not really a hard or crazy concept to buy.

If women were really attracted to beta males with a soft "I hope everyone likes me" personality, then guys like anthony wiener wouldn't get any attention from women (which is obviously not the case).

& I'm not sure about other people, but anyone who dates anyone else as an "boy toy" or "trophy wife" won't last (Kim kardashian?). & those kind of people are insecure & low quality so they don't matter anyway. If the relationship isn't based off of mutual genuine attraction then it's a pretty safe bet it'll fade out over time.

& it seems like you're the only person who's implying women are stupid, it has nothing to do with intelligence, & it has to do with attraction.

Nobody approaches a woman in a logical frame of mind saying something like
"Hey, you have the ability to reproduce & I do as well, I believe it would be a smart decision for us to engage in sexual intercourse because we will have strong offspring"
See how dumb that sounds? You have to give off that message in a way that shows her that you are of high quality & that you are a catch. The problem is that most betas try to logic their way into bed with women (ever see em grumble over the friend zone or how girls don't like "nice guys"?). Instead of getting upset, they should learn what it is that actually attracts women, which is social dominance, being successful in what you do & have a cool, laid back "I don't give a fuck if you like me or not cause I know I'm the shit regardless" attitude, all of which anthony wiener possesses, hense why he gets so much tail. & he's not pulling strippers or hookers like most people with sex scandals are, he's pulling young (assuming they're attractive) women which are the hottest commodity for straight males in the sexual market.
 
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Recently however with Anthony Weiner back in the news-tainment media again for his impropriety, there have been several surveys going around that young women in the under 26 year old age group find this man highly desirable. Weiner, to most people (including myself) is a lying, scheming, weak-spined excuse for a man, and cannot figure out why anybody would find him desirable, especially for a social relationship. He has proven that he cannot be trusted in a relationship. As a typical man, we are generally not only hard-wired to be, but to also think that women desire an honest, assertive, smart strong man. For my own wife, this is certainly true, and one of the reasons why she is attracted to me, but for a large contingent of women, especially younger ones, this is not the case apparently.

It appears that the idiotic, buffoon male stereotype that is portrayed on television programs is more than just simply a good laugh at watching the tables get turned, but it's actually the DESIRABLE traits that women want in their men these days!!! It's a modern form of femininsm mind you. Young women apparently want to be the assertive and smart ones in a relationship. They want their man to be merely a "boy toy" or "fashion accessory" that they can use and take advantage of, support them and their endeavours, milk for what they desire, and then throw out. A man like Weiner fits this description perfectly, as he is in a high - profile money making position, but he lets people walk all over top of him, and has no real serious attachment to any one woman, so he's easy to get rid of when they are done with him.

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Instead of getting upset, they should learn what it is that actually attracts women, which is social dominance, being successful in what you do & have a cool, laid back "I don't give a fuck if you like me or not cause I know I'm the shit regardless" attitude, all of which anthony wiener possesses, hense why he gets so much tail. & he's not pulling strippers or hookers like most people with sex scandals are, he's pulling young (assuming they're attractive) women which are the hottest commodity for straight males in the sexual market.

Kind of in a conundrum here. Both of you see yourselves as alphas but both of you disagree on the person on topic. Should this be deathmatch time or something? Should we break out the swords?
 
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Kind of in a conundrum here. Both of you see yourselves as alphas but both of you disagree on the person on topic. Should this be deathmatch time or something? Should we break out the swords?

This is the standard draw when a MRA runs into a PUA, one sees the other as a self-defeating lackey, the other sees an immature beta male who doesn't want to compete. Chances are, if they keep talking, they won't get anywhere near an agreement, but at least one observer will think each is a misogynist. :biggrin1:
 

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This is the standard draw when a MRA runs into a PUA, one sees the other as a self-defeating lackey, the other sees an immature beta male who doesn't want to compete. Chances are, if they keep talking, they won't get anywhere near an agreement, but at least one observer will think each is a misogynist. :biggrin1:

I usually get tired of debates that revolve around both name calling and the awesome road block of new knowledge. Anthony weiner is one guy of many but of course as usual he becomes a talking point for most. When the real problem is insecurity.

Very few people out there are secure enough in themselves not to have to put someone else down or insult someone to make themselves feel better.

Every other topic jumps head first into "your a (place label, name or description here) and that means you suck and i'm better because i'm a (place label, name or description here).

All it is, is another attempt from someone to feel better about who they are instead of doing the heavy lifting and trying to understand that shit happens. For instance some of the most important people out there to the human race would never fit into our current societal molds but does that stop people from trying to determine whats what? Nope.

And once again it is fear. What if women don't like me. What if i can't start a family. What if i can't take care of my family. What if a group off (blank) decides to (blank).

Its a reaction to something instead of an action in and of itself. While fear isn't bad on its own, it does become an issue when its used to put forth an idea that one is instantly/biologically "better/more intelligent/strong/more right/more desired/can't think of any other metaphors that would include people and have been done to socially degrade or displace a group of people in the present past or future.

Its all the same game masked as a different style. aka i'm better than you because i was born that way. How many times have you heard that before in the history that we humans seem determined to repeat?
 

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"A man like Weiner fits this description perfectly, as he is in a high - profile money making position, but he lets people walk all over top of him, and has no real serious attachment to any one woman, so he's easy to get rid of when they are done with him." I'm pretty sure there are women out there that find that highly attractive. As in no strings attached sexy time. Something dudes get away with all the time. And when i say get away with, what i really mean is encouraged.


Not necessarily encouraged... Unfaithful, weak men like Weiner, in years past were looked down upon by women, and for years and years, most men pretty much assumed that's what women wanted, after all, they complained about it constantly.

The point of my post is that NOW this is NOT the case! In years past, men, like Weiner were considered "trash" by women almost universally, and it was easy for men to understand this. NOW however this has changed, and it appears that the opposite is now beginning to hold true...
 

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I don't think men's infidelity is as off putting to women as a woman's infidelity is off putting to men. Look at Tiger Woods, everyone knew he was married, yet women threw themselves at him. Another big part of attraction is pre selection, a guy is of higher value to women when they know that he can have any woman he wants, even when he is kind of a slime ball about it. Ever notice how it's easier to get girls to hit on you when you're in a relationship? Or when you're just hanging out with hot women, it's like a competition thing I guess. It makes them think "wow he's with a solid 10, he probably has a lot going for him, lets see if I can attract him". That's why the best wingman is a hot babe.
 

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Look at Tiger Woods, everyone knew he was married, yet women threw themselves at him.

Even after the fact.

With all these cases those same women who at one time in history would have been ashamed and vilified in the press for what they did instead make a grab for celebrity and cash, actually have the fucking audacity to show their faces and complain about what terrible person and cheat he was. That's what always cracks me up. How the media condemns him and then makes heroes out of these ho's who knew full well he was married, had children. As if they're victims too in all this.

Weiner's online sexting pal was on Inside Edition the other night talking about what a creep he was, completely ignoring her own culpability in the matter. Saying how she's sorry about his wife. Seriously, how dare you, shut the fuck up and go crawl back under your rock you opportunistic dirtbag.
 

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I usually get tired of debates that revolve around both name calling and the awesome road block of new knowledge. Anthony weiner is one guy of many but of course as usual he becomes a talking point for most. When the real problem is insecurity.

Very few people out there are secure enough in themselves not to have to put someone else down or insult someone to make themselves feel better.

Every other topic jumps head first into "your a (place label, name or description here) and that means you suck and i'm better because i'm a (place label, name or description here).

All it is, is another attempt from someone to feel better about who they are instead of doing the heavy lifting and trying to understand that shit happens. For instance some of the most important people out there to the human race would never fit into our current societal molds but does that stop people from trying to determine whats what? Nope.

And once again it is fear. What if women don't like me. What if i can't start a family. What if i can't take care of my family. What if a group off (blank) decides to (blank).

Its a reaction to something instead of an action in and of itself. While fear isn't bad on its own, it does become an issue when its used to put forth an idea that one is instantly/biologically "better/more intelligent/strong/more right/more desired/can't think of any other metaphors that would include people and have been done to socially degrade or displace a group of people in the present past or future.

Its all the same game masked as a different style. aka i'm better than you because i was born that way. How many times have you heard that before in the history that we humans seem determined to repeat?

exactly, i agree. i see it here all the time with the 'penis size matters' "agenda". i'm pretty sure a lot of guys who feel the need to push this agenda are guys who know they really have nothing else going on for them ... so god forbid that their penis size actually isn't the golden ticket they believe and pray it is. stop all this alpha is better than beta rubbish. different women like different types of men and vice vera. JEESSSSSSSHH. just because women give him attention (weiner) DOES NOT MEAN that this is THE TYPE women go for. different strokes for different folks. some women like more dominating men, some like men who are less dominating and more submissive ... yes SOME WOMEN ACTUALLY PREFER "BETA" males. stop trying to ostracize one type of male as being 'less' desirable. and i don't know why some of you swear you are "alpha males" ... who says you are???? you could very well be 'beta' to many women.

and those of you who are convinced women prefer men like weiner seem not to take into account that he is FAMOUS, and RICH. i wonder if those things may influence their draw towards him and not so much his 'aloofness' (personality)