What's the deal with Cuban cigars?

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  1. DaveyR

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    I understand a little bit about the background of why Cuban cigars were banned in the US. I also understand that in recent years the law was changed so that US citizens are prohibited from having Cuban cigars even if they are visiting other parts of the World.

    Is that correct? If so why is this the case and is that crime provable and enforcable in practise?

    I'm asking purely out of interest as someone who knows very little about the issue. Thanks.
     
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    Americans can't bring them back into the US. They can buy them in foreign countries for use there. You can buy them in the Caribbean islands and use them there. Americans can bring them onto a cruise ship, but can not leave the ship with them. Canadians can bring them to the US on the same ship and then take them back to Canada.
     
  3. D_Gunther Snotpole

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    That's true, Davey.
    Why? Coz no Merkun is supposed to support them Commie phukhers in no way, Jose, nowhere.
    How enforceable is it? I doubt it's enforceable at all, except in the rarest of cases.

    Here is a document from September 30, 2004 from the Office of Foreign Assets Control, part of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.


    [FONT=&quot]CUBAN CIGAR UPDATE[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]
    Recent changes to the Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 C.F.R. Part 515 (the “Regulations”), administered and
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    [FONT=&quot] enforced by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (“OFAC”), have prompted OFAC to revise the Cuban Cigar Update[/FONT][FONT=&quot] previously issued on [FONT=&quot]June 19, 1998[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. This notice provides important information to the public on Cuban-origin tobacco products.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Transactions Involving Cuban-Origin Goods in Third Countries[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]The question is often asked whether [FONT=&quot]United States[/FONT][FONT=&quot] citizens or permanent resident aliens of the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]United States[/FONT][FONT=&quot] may legally purchase Cuban origin goods, including tobacco and alcohol products, in a third country for personal use outside the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]United States[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. The answer is no. The Regulations prohibit persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States from purchasing, transporting, importing,[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot] or otherwise dealing in or engaging in any transactions with respect to any merchandise outside the [FONT=&quot]United States[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot] if such merchandise
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    [FONT=&quot](1) is of Cuban origin; or
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    [FONT=&quot](2) is or has been located in or transported from or through [FONT=&quot]Cuba[/FONT][FONT=&quot]; or[/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot](3) is made or derived in whole or in part of any article which is the growth, produce or manufacture of [FONT=&quot]Cuba[/FONT][FONT=&quot].
    Thus,in the case of cigars, the prohibition extends to cigars manufactured in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Cuba[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and sold in a third country and to cigars manufactured in a third country from tobacco grown in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Cuba[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][/FONT]


     
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    Thanks both but it seems we have two different understandings of the law already. Rubi thanks for the source document.
     
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    Well, it seems clear that mem is wrong. It is illegal for Americans to buy Cuban cigars, even in foreign countries.
    But if he's speaking in practical terms (which I suppose begs the question), then he's more or less right. It would be an astonishingly rare misadventure for an American to buy Cuban cigars in Toronto, say, smoke them there, and suffer any legal consequence whatever.
    But your question was about the legalities.

    :biggrin1:
     
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    "Subject to the jurisdiction of the United States," begs the question of just who does the US think it is? I'm sure Canada and other countries would not appreciate US law enforcement arresting anyone on its soil without formal request and due process. Were I the leader of any other country I'd be more than happy to simply say, "Don't you have anything better to do?," and then deny the request.

    As it is, many Americans go to Canada to buy Cuban cigars and smuggle them home (along with Roots boots) and even travel to Canada to travel to Cuba. I know a few Americans who have done this and they had a great time in Cuba (if your idea of a great time is being sequestered in a beach resort). The enforcement on the prohibition is pretty lax and most Americans think it's completely ridiculous
     
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    to prevent it being used as presidential aid
     
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    I was in Cuba (Veradero mostly but also Matanzas and Havana for a day) about 5 years ago. My wife and I had a wonderful time there. The Cuban people are incredibly warm, friendly and hospitable. I tried a Cuban cigar while I was there. I'm not a smoker and have never smoked a cigar before, but I was able to smoke about a 1/4 of a cigar without gagging or feeling like I wanted to throw up, so they must be good because I usually detest any type of smoking (I really don't know as I don't have a reference point). I wanted to try it for the experience as Cuban cigars are world famous. It was interesting to try, but I couldn't make a habit out of it.

    I have heard that many Americans make a bee line for the cigar stores when they arrive in Toronto. Many celebrities such as Whoopi Goldberg are known to enjoy a few Cuban cigars when they are in town. The Toronto International Film Festvial is this month which is one of the largest film festivals in the world. Many A list American celebrities are know to attend, and from what I have heard, they are known to enjoy a few Cuban cigars while they are here.

    Many Canadian, European and other Latin American countries do business in Cuba. The U.S. embargo has benefitted all of these companies doing business in Cuba as it has kept competition to a minimum. For example, it's impossible to buy a roll of Kodak film in Cuba, but Agfa film (from Germany) is sold everywhere.

    I can tell you from personal experience that the rum in Cuba is phenomenal! It's so smooth that you can drink it straight. Compared to the rum that I have had in other countries in the Caribbean, it is without a doubt the absolute best. You can also purchase Cuban rum in the liquor stores here in Canada. The dark 7 year old Havana Club (5th bottle from the left) is my favourite rum and is only about $8.00/bottle in Cuba. I haven't tried the 15 year old Havana Club rum, but I'll bet it's incredibly smooth.
    Havana Club, the real Cuban rum for Mojito and Daiquiri cocktails

    Cheers! :cool:
     
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    I must admit when I first heard of this that is exactly what sprung to mind.
     
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