What's the freakin' Repub alternative?

[TomCat84]

actually, the Repubs had presented the most intelligent response to the healthcare crisis

inter alia, it would have reformulated the regulations insurers operate under, making it more competitive and accessible, similar to automobile insurance (do you know anyone who cannot access automobile insurance)

it, of course, died in Congress, because it did not serve the interests of the large corporate insurers, which is the set of interests Obama and Dem Congress serve

Actually, the most intelligent response would be to extend Medicare to everyone :biggrin1:

 

[TomCat84]

you mean States like California would actually have to draw up responsible, workable budgets, and fiscal policies?

egads, man! egads!

Please- spare me. California is fucked up, because here it is possible for one or two legislators from the minority in each house to hold up a budget....which is EXACTLY what the Republicans have done for so many years. Not to mention our convoluted initiative system which gives far too much legislative power to the people.

 

[deleted15807]

Please- spare me. California is fucked up, because here it is possible for one or two legislators from the minority in each house to hold up a budget....which is EXACTLY what the Republicans have done for so many years. Not to mention our convoluted initiative system which gives far too much legislative power to the people.

Bingo. They always leave out some KEY fact in the propaganda effort that alters they entire picture.

 

[invisibleman]

All Republicans can do is say no...

...but their bodies are saying YES. :mischievous: :wink: :biggrin1:

 

[Ajizzle]

You democrats act like the republicans are responsible for everything. Both sides are fucked up and need restructuring. What we dont need is free health care owned by the government and the obama administration. We also dont need bills that give ultimatums such as well if you dont pass this your stripping the military of its benifits. That is chicago politics as obamas senior advisor recently said.

So the best solution here is tax the people who work everyday so the ones who don't have jobs and dont look for jobs can continue ramming america in the ass. I understand there are people who can't find jobs right now. I understand that, but there are generations of families who have never had a job. Quit giving incentives to lazy scum of america and put their asses to work "cheap labor" and give them reason to look for jobs. Expanding welfare, expanding medicade/medicare, expanding the governments role in this country is ridiculous. Attack the insurance companies and the fraudulent lawsuit claims, take licenses from lawyers who represent these people knowing they are fraudulent claims. Close these loopholes and delete this politically correct bullshit.

PS how is that global warming west coast? East coast? Midwest? Southern states?

 

[invisibleman]

You democrats act like the republicans are responsible for everything.

Republicans. You cannot talk to them after sniffing inhalants.

Both sides are fucked up and need restructuring. What we dont need is free health care owned by the government and the obama administration. We also dont need bills that give ultimatums such as well if you dont pass this your stripping the military of its benEfits. That is chicago politics as obamas senior advisor recently said.

So the best solution here is:

tax the people who work everyday so the ones who don't have jobs and don't look for jobs can continue ramming America in the ass.

I understand there are people who can't find jobs right now.

And why are people not finding jobs, Sherlock? If America has such a fruitful beneficial job economy, then everyone would have a job and a good one that will support ALL AMERICANS, right?!!!

See, that is the problem with Republicans...you assume that everyone that doesn't have a JOB is lazy. Maybe people are apathetic. Tired of being bullshat upon.

I understand that, but there are generations of families who have never had a job. Oh, really...

Quit giving incentives to lazy scum of America and put their asses to work "cheap labor" and give them reason to look for jobs. And you wonder why Republicans aren't in office.

I would like to see Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Mitt Romney work in a sweatshop in China or be a migrant farmer working for peanuts.

Instead of fabrication, assumption and denial, Republicans need to actually look at a situation and assess it properly.


Expanding welfare, expanding MEDICAID/MEDICARE, expanding the government's role in this country is ridiculous. Attack the insurance companies and the fraudulent lawsuit claims, take licenses from lawyers who represent these people knowing they are fraudulent claims. Close these loopholes and delete this politically correct bullshit.

Yeah. Business, along with politics, can be corrupt. There should be laws and remedies for that.

PS: How is that global warming west coast? East coast? Midwest? Southern states?

Do you get the WEATHER CHANNEL? Are you a meterologist?

 

[MalakingTiti]

"Politics can suck my polidicks." - Flava Flav

 

[Ajizzle]

Well I am very thankful for you correcting me where I didnt feel like putting my ' and , ... Because now I'm sure the rest of LPSG can read and understand what I wrote now. BTW if your going to spend the time correcting somebody, you should correct it all.


I understand there are people who can't find jobs right now.

"And why are people not finding jobs, Sherlock? If America has such a fruitful beneficial job economy, then everyone would have a job and a good one that will support ALL AMERICANS, right?!!!

See, that is the problem with Republicans...you assume that everyone that doesn't have a JOB is lazy. Maybe people are apathetic. Tired of being bullshat upon."

What part of, I understand that there are people who can't find jobs right now do you not understand SHERLOCK? Where in my post did I claim that america was so fruitful we should all have jobs? But your way of thinking is raise taxes on corporate and working america so spending stops, production and new projects are cut, jobs are shipped overseas, business move overseas.

Why are you even bringing up sweatshops in china? Are you referring that by Obama doubling the nations debt to china within the first 6months that they could own us in a few years? Because I don't know of any sweatshops in america.

Dems keep talking about the gop holding the healthcare bill back but who controls congress? Obviously there arent enough democrats convenced that this bogus plan is worth shoving through.

Who needs the weather channel when we have al gore telling us everything we need to know?


We will all wait for your grammar corrections.

 

[deleted15807]

You democrats act like the republicans are responsible for everything. Both sides are fucked up and need restructuring. What we dont need is free health care owned by the government and the ......................... :24::24::24::24:

What a great Fox News...Faux News...Fixed News rant....filled with propaganda, inaccuracies and flat out lies. No were to even begin except to say 'NEXT'.

 

[TomCat84]

Well I am very thankful for you correcting me where I didnt feel like putting my ' and , ... Because now I'm sure the rest of LPSG can read and understand what I wrote now. BTW if your going to spend the time correcting somebody, you should correct it all.


I understand there are people who can't find jobs right now.

"And why are people not finding jobs, Sherlock? If America has such a fruitful beneficial job economy, then everyone would have a job and a good one that will support ALL AMERICANS, right?!!!

See, that is the problem with Republicans...you assume that everyone that doesn't have a JOB is lazy. Maybe people are apathetic. Tired of being bullshat upon."

What part of, I understand that there are people who can't find jobs right now do you not understand SHERLOCK? Where in my post did I claim that america was so fruitful we should all have jobs? But your way of thinking is raise taxes on corporate and working america so spending stops, production and new projects are cut, jobs are shipped overseas, business move overseas.

Why are you even bringing up sweatshops in china? Are you referring that by Obama doubling the nations debt to china within the first 6months that they could own us in a few years? Because I don't know of any sweatshops in america.

Dems keep talking about the gop holding the healthcare bill back but who controls congress? Obviously there arent enough democrats convenced that this bogus plan is worth shoving through.

Who needs the weather channel when we have al gore telling us everything we need to know?


We will all wait for your grammar corrections.

There are enough Democratic votes to pass a health care reform bill WITH a public option through the Senate actually- but the Senate has a mechanism known as the fillibuster. In order to end debate on a bill (cloture), a bill needs to have 60 votes, and not just 51 or 50 (with a tie breaking vote coming from the VP. I'd estimate there are probably 54 or 55 solid votes for a bill with a moderate public option....but not 60. I say, bring a bill back from a conference committee WITH a public option, and let folks fillibuster it. Bring in the cots, put it on TV, and let them talk their asses off. Show the American people what these anti public option folks are- whores for corporations. Please, let's focus on the topic at hand- which is healthcare reform, NOT the issue of climate change. Besides, you seem to think that because of a few cold days, that MUST mean that climate change as spoken about by Gore CAN'T be true.

 

[TomCat84]

Ajizzle is a typically misinformed conservative....ranting about government-owned healthcare....when the bill recently passed by the Senate contains nothing of the sort. Government-owned healthcare (as they have in the UK) was NEVER an option. Hell, not even a Medicare for all type of option was even considered. THAT was taken off the table by the Obama administration to start with. Progressives and liberals have compromised on the compromise that was supposed to be the compromise for the original compromise. Yet, still....folks like Ajizzle rant on and on about government owned healthcare, and what he doesnt realize is that people with insurance already are paying for the ones without insurance. Those folks without health insurance go months and years without seeing doctors, until things get really bad. THEN they go into the emergency rooms, and HAVE to get treated. The hospitals usually end up eating most of the cost of treating these people anyway, and they raise prices for the folks who actually have insurance. But of course, folks like Ajizzle really cant wrap their minds around a fact as simple as this, and instead they go off on tangents about Al Gore and global warming and socialism, and rant about how Obama is so evil that he's a Marxist, a fascist, a Nazi, a communist, AND a socialist who was born in Kenya.

 

[Wyldgusechaz]

We have a public option, its called Medicare. Medicare costs $460 billion dollars to cover 46 million retirees or about $10000 per person. Is that what you want?

We can have a very good public option but you will need to have yourself taxed at $900/month. Thats what the government medical program costs.

What you really wants you neo rads, is SOMEONE else to pay your premium. Thats it in a nutshell. The public option is nothing but a huge welfare scam whereby my hard earned money is transferred to the lazy bums that infest America. Or you would be begging our government to tax you at the correct amount and thats $900 a month.

Physicians deserve to make at least $200000/yr and that should be their minimum wage. $500000 is more in tune with the level of their knowledge and expertise. If drug companies were such a cash cow why don't you buy stock in them? Pfizer, Merck, Glaxo, go buy 100 shares and see just how much cash they will make you. Go buy Cigna stock or Aetna and watch the money roll in.

Neo rads simply want other people to pay their living expenses because they are too lazy to work hard and make their own way. They need the protection of their mommies and they look to the Feds to be their new protective mommy.

If you lazy neo rads really want good health care, pay for it. Ask your congressman to tax YOU at the correct rate to pay your costs. If you make $30000/yr you will need to ante up 30% of your salary to pay for your care. That will fund a very good health care system and put the insurance companies out of business. That will fund innovation that will fund excellent care and you will have pre existing conditions covered.

But you will need to pay for it. I pay $1100 month in private premiums and $10000/month for my workers but if everyone ante'ed up this would be over in a week. A public option fully funded.

I want all you lazy ass neo rads to send an email to your statesman begging to be taxed at the appropriate level to fund free healthcare. If it is so important to you then you should be willing to pay for it. Somehow though I think you want someone else to pay for it. And that makes it welfare. And lets call it that, welfare for the lazy.

 

[TomCat84]

We have a public option, its called Medicare. Medicare costs $460 billion dollars to cover 46 million retirees or about $10000 per person. Is that what you want?

We can have a very good public option but you will need to have yourself taxed at $900/month. Thats what the government medical program costs.

What you really wants you neo rads, is SOMEONE else to pay your premium. Thats it in a nutshell. The public option is nothing but a huge welfare scam whereby my hard earned money is transferred to the lazy bums that infest America. Or you would be begging our government to tax you at the correct amount and thats $900 a month.

Physicians deserve to make at least $200000/yr and that should be their minimum wage. $500000 is more in tune with the level of their knowledge and expertise. If drug companies were such a cash cow why don't you buy stock in them? Pfizer, Merck, Glaxo, go buy 100 shares and see just how much cash they will make you. Go buy Cigna stock or Aetna and watch the money roll in.

Neo rads simply want other people to pay their living expenses because they are too lazy to work hard and make their own way. They need the protection of their mommies and they look to the Feds to be their new protective mommy.

If you lazy neo rads really want good health care, pay for it. Ask your congressman to tax YOU at the correct rate to pay your costs. If you make $30000/yr you will need to ante up 30% of your salary to pay for your care. That will fund a very good health care system and put the insurance companies out of business. That will fund innovation that will fund excellent care and you will have pre existing conditions covered.

But you will need to pay for it. I pay $1100 month in private premiums and $10000/month for my workers but if everyone ante'ed up this would be over in a week. A public option fully funded.

I want all you lazy ass neo rads to send an email to your statesman begging to be taxed at the appropriate level to fund free healthcare. If it is so important to you then you should be willing to pay for it. Somehow though I think you want someone else to pay for it. And that makes it welfare. And lets call it that, welfare for the lazy.

Of course, us "neo rads" would LOVE to have an intelligent discussion, but apparently folks like you are incapable of such a thing. I'd like to see where you're getting your numbers from, and how you arrived at a $900 per month figure. I'd also love to see that $900 put against some other numbers- like the cost of maintaining the status quo. I'm a little confused. Let's assume for the moment that you really do pay $1100 a month in premiums. Let's also assume your $900 figure is accurate. $1100-$900=-$200. You would in fact be paying $200 less a month out of pocket. Call me stupid, but isn't that a good thing? And $1100 out of pocket, and you're happy about that? I have a job for the local county government and I work my ass off for the taxpayers. In effect, I pay about $60 a month out of my paycheck for benefits. I realize that these generous benefits are because I work for the government, but I also realize that I could be earning a lot more doing what I do if I worked for private company. Of course, I'd have to pay a lot more, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $300-$500 per month I'd guess. Why the hell are you paying such an outrageous premium?

 

[TomCat84]

May I also be so bold as to point out that this years defense budget is some $600 BILLION+. Much of this budget is for systems and weapons that are unwanted by the Pentagon and forced into the budget by Senators and Congressmen trying to bring home pork for their districts. How much has the Iraqi Occupation cost us? What are some of the tax breaks we give big business interests to rape the taxpayers? Why are you ok with corporate welfare, but not OK with the federal government spending a little money to take care of the common man?

 

[houtx48]

don't ask questions like that tom. there are some here that will cry like little girls.

 

[HUNGHUGE11X7]

actually, the Repubs had presented the most intelligent response to the healthcare crisis

it, of course, died in Congress, because it did not serve the interests of the large corporate insurers, which is the set of interests Obama and Dem Congress serve

It has been a VERY LONG time since the Repugnicans in Congress have contributed anything resembling intelligence, if that were the case the numbers of lunatic fringe and fanatics would not be increasing and endangering the existence of the GOP !

Hahahahaha that is OHH SO RICH cause there are far more REP's in the pockets of the big insurance companies, whereas there is only a few Dems, problem is those few Dems know they have Insurance reform by the balls . The Reps are of no consequence at all but the Conservadems did an excellent job of NOT fighting for the Public option which nearly 70% of America wants and squashing any notion of competition for Insuarance companies, guaranteeing more donation to them! I think this is gonna backfire big time for them but we will see.
OBAMA does NOT serve the interest of the insurance, in fact he naively thought he could get the insurance lobbyists OUT of Congress. He is far more pro-citizen than pro-corporation and the idea otherwise is completely absurd !


HH

 

[HUNGHUGE11X7]

why are you ok with corporate welfare, but not ok with the federal government spending a little money to take care of the common man?

BRAVOoooo , Bravissimoooo


HH

 

[B_Nick4444]

OBAMA does NOT serve the interest of the insurance, in fact he naively thought he could get the insurance lobbyists OUT of Congress. He is far more pro-citizen than pro-corporation and the idea otherwise is completely absurd !
HH

actions, dear fellow, speak louder than words

if Obama was interested in the American citizen, he would not have surrounded himself, at the outset, with globalists

everything he has done since assuming office, from his third world crony capitalist bail-outs, to "health care reform" corroborates he is ONLY looking out for the corporate interests

 

[joyboytoy79]

you mean States like California would actually have to draw up responsible, workable budgets, and fiscal policies?

egads, man! egads!

Uhm, I was more getting at how they don't seem capable of drawing up workable budgets and fiscal policies, and how the republican plan is to ask them to include more expenditures in those budgets. And, rather than protect the common man, the plan protects the insurance companies. So, lets strain already overburdened state budgets with a federal policy that forces the states to protect corporate giants from losses - WHEN INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE RAKING IN RECORD PROFITS! Yup, sounds like a right reasonable plan.

 

[joyboytoy79]

actions, dear fellow, speak louder than words

if Obama was interested in the American citizen, he would not have surrounded himself, at the outset, with globalists

everything he has done since assuming office, from his third world crony capitalist bail-outs, to "health care reform" corroborates he is ONLY looking out for the corporate interests

Wait. Did you just say Obama is a CAPITALIST? Yeah, you did.

Funny... you keep calling him a socialist elsewhere... like here, for example.

Which is it? Is he a corporate capitalist or a sleazy socialist? I don't see how he can be both simultaneously.