What's Your Opinion On Pua's Or Dating Coaches?

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In my opinion these guys are a scam they all promise to turn the average guy into total studs I've read just about every pua\seduction material out there you can imagine I'd say 99% of it is bullshit. Essentially they try and teach men how to be this attractive alpha guy women want to fuck but I argue can you really learn how to be sexy? either women find you hot or they don't. Even guys like Cory Skyy and Zan Perrion teach "love women" and you'll turn into a ladies man would this really work for most men though? Doubtful I doubt it's no coincidence that these men are really good looking especially Zan.

I'm curious to what you ladies have to say about this.
 

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It's all bullshit.

Fuck PUA shit, fuck a dating "coach". It's all manipulative nonsense and all of it comes straight from the entitled anus of morons who convinced themselves that they know how to force women into submission.

Men who use these tactics, I hope their dicks fall off.
 

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PUA is the MLM of vaginal dessication.

Usually the dudes lining up for guidance have more than a few issues basic humaning. Women are put off not by an inferior opening line. The survival side of our brain picks up any oy number of clues that PUA boy is no bueno.

Most of these flaws are personality based.

I would say "Respect Women" is a really good place start. Talking to women like ya not trying to work a pussy unlock cheat code would probably help any dude stand out in the modern era.

Be honest. Don't be manipulative. Don't pretend you want more than ya do. Act appropriate to the venue, what's acceptable in a club setting will end in sadness in neutral spaces.

It all boils down to don't be a douche bag.

Specific to OP: you are a head of the game knowing 99% of the PUA mindset is bahookie. Maybe use it as an example of what not to do?
 
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I don't know much about these PUA type dudes. Most of the little bit I've seen has been manipulative BS. It seems like they view women as objects and things to be conquered/had. OR these are former incels who just want to get even with all the women who "did them wrong" in the past by not falling into bed with them. Sigh.

I googled the two dudes you referenced. Couldn't find much on the Skyy dude outside of some douchey stuff, but there was a wikipedia entry on Zan Perrion.

Perrion espouses that women may respond favorably to men who are confident and fun, but not arrogant. He advocates the notion of honesty and respect toward women; his assertion is that women may respond with kindness toward a man who is sincere and respectful, who knows what he wants, and who doesn't mask his desires as a man. He also states that physical appearance is not as important as many men believe. He illustrates this notion by demonstrating that many of the greatest seducers in history were notably unremarkable in their appearance. As he puts it: "Women are not attracted to men who are good looking - they are attracted to men who are attractive." I don't disagree with anything he's saying here... provided that he's actually promoting being a being KIND man (someone genuinely likes women) and not a nice guy (someone who is just being nice in hopes that he gets sex in return).

I CAN see how IF a "coach" were to teach a guy how to get over his insecurities that would be helpful. I know some great guys who can't get out of their own head/get out of their own way and it prevents them from "getting" the girl... but that's probably best fixed by a life coach that will help them in all areas of their life not a dating coach who focuses only on getting them booty.
 
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I don't know the guys you mentioned but if I never hear the word "alpha" again it will be too soon. Yes, some people are natural leaders, but it's just that - natural. Just like a guy is not automatically a dom because he bought a pair of leather pants and waves around a candle. Anyone trying to buy a course in it is on a hiding to nothing.

Maybe there is the potential to offer a confidence boost to some men, but honestly the only examples *I* have seen of it have been based on false bravado, manipulation and playing on the insecurities of others. With a deeply misogynistic vibe.

I understand men wanting support and a sense of camaraderie, I do and I do think that can be lacking for some men. I also think a lot of men are unsure of where they fit in in the world and the internet and porn has skewed their perspective.

But those sites/philosophies/groups are toxic in my opinion and only serve to present women as "other" rather than we're all just human beings. The attitude towards women is unhealthy and some of these guys finding their "tribe" is unhealthy - for them and women in general.

Dating has knockbacks and embarrassments and disappointments... But that's a rite of passage. You can't circumvent that by behaving like some fictional "alpha" and manipulating women to fall at your feet with any degree of success (no matter what some of the guys here say).

I pity the man who tries to neg me.

I think guys who seek this stuff out would just be better off getting to know women as people first - without an agenda. Quiet confidence and likeability go a long way. Keeping up an act must be exhausting and prevents a genuine connection.

And speaking for myself, I enjoy the differences between men and women - mental and physical. My lizard brain whispers in my ear often. BUT the approaches of trying to expound upon that through some kind of subliminal manipulation just make me far less likely to act on it and wary of sharing my thoughts. I know when I'm being manipulated and it's a complete turn off.

Well... I didn't know I had that much to say about this topic!
 
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If someone uses "alpha" to describe themselves, it is a pretty instantaneous check mark against them for me. Same for even the faintest whiff of "PUA" garbage. Dating coach, I am not well informed enough about what that actually is to say much. If it is like the "PUA" fucks, then it is likely a stinking heap of dung too. In my opinion, dudes trying to get help via PUA shit would generally do better for themselves if they took their ass to a real deal therapist and put some fucking work in on their issues.
 
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Thanks girls I knew it was bullshit, not to mention a lot of these pua's have something shady about them whether it's rape/sexual harassment allagations, beating up their girlfriends or ripping off "students" etc even Zan who has a more "natural" approach to dating still seems like a fraud. There was a website called puahate that exposed most of these guys infact some hire models to pose as their girlfriends some of these coaches can't even get laid themselves.

Bottom line the pua/seduction is mostly made up of a group of nerds convincing each other they're attractive to women lol. I do consider myself somewhat of an incel though.
 

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I don't know the guys you mentioned but if I never hear the word "alpha" again it will be too soon. Yes, some people are natural leaders, but it's just that - natural. Just like a guy is not automatically a dom because he bought a pair of leather pants and waves around a candle. Anyone trying to buy a course in it is on a hiding to nothing.

Maybe there is the potential to offer a confidence boost to some men, but honestly the only examples *I* have seen of it have been based on false bravado, manipulation and playing on the insecurities of others. With a deeply misogynistic vibe.

I understand men wanting support and a sense of camaraderie, I do and I do think that can be lacking for some men. I also think a lot of men are unsure of where they fit in in the world and the internet and porn has skewed their perspective.

But those sites/philosophies/groups are toxic in my opinion and only serve to present women as "other" rather than we're all just human beings. The attitude towards women is unhealthy and some of these guys finding their "tribe" is unhealthy - for them and women in general.

Dating has knockbacks and embarrassments and disappointments... But that's a rite of passage. You can't circumvent that by behaving like some fictional "alpha" and manipulating women to fall at your feet with any degree of success (no matter what some of the guys here say).

I pity the man who tries to neg me.

I think guys who seek this stuff out would just be better off getting to know women as people first - without an agenda. Quiet confidence and likeability go a long way. Keeping up an act must be exhausting and prevents a genuine connection.

And speaking for myself, I enjoy the differences between men and women - mental and physical. My lizard brain whispers in my ear often. BUT the approaches of trying to expound upon that through some kind of subliminal manipulation just make me far less likely to act on it and wary of sharing my thoughts. I know when I'm being manipulated and it's a complete turn off.

Well... I didn't know I had that much to say about this topic!


If a guy tells you he's an alpha, he's not an alpha. I see it all the time on dating apps, and I always laugh about it
 

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When I hear or see any of the “magic moves” I roll my eyes and suggest he get home before the babysitter, mommy, or his wife notice he’s gone.
I would fall for this magic move. "He sits me down on his couch, he leans in like he's going to kiss me, then reaches behind me and pulls out a puppy."
I'd fall hard.
 
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I would fall for this magic move. "He sits me down on his couch, he leans in like he's going to kiss me, then reaches behind me and pulls out a puppy."
I'd fall hard.

OMFG I love him who is he?

The speed at which I would launch myself at that guy only increases with the number of puppies he's hiding back there. Or kittens. Kittens would do it too. Or pretty much any rescued critter. What were we talking about again?