When did 'Troll' become Ok to say?

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I don’t expect the str8 guys on the site to start swapping spit with the gay guys or vice versa ...
Hmmm... now that would be HOT.

Oh, sorry... my mind wandered OT. :biggrin1:

I've only ever known "troll" to mean "incessantly annoying a-hole" around here.
 
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I apologize if this thread is not original.

I have been reading through some of the threads lately and I have noticed the word ‘troll’ bandied about insouciantly (look it up) by both str8s and gays.

I don’t expect the str8 guys on the site to start swapping spit with the gay guys or vice versa, but this is an ugly word. For gay men no longer in their youngest years this word is very emotionally charged. It is the equivalent to calling a more mature woman a hag.

Can we not play nice?

p.s. To my fellow gays: SHAME ON YOU for using this word with such ease. You just make it ok of other people to use offensive language. You should know better.


I am a mature woman, but please do not label me an old hag, sweetie.

I get the impression that the word "Troll" is used on lpsg to call out a members authenticity, or at least signal the degree to which one is actually "Real".
 

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I am a mature woman, but please do not label me an old hag, sweetie.

I get the impression that the word "Troll" is used on lpsg to call out a members authenticity, or at least signal the degree to which one is actually "Real".

Nope, Mrs. Goldstein.
It's about one's intentions.
Are you here to stir up shit, annoy the hell out of everybody?
Make peeps sorry you're here?
Then you're a troll.
(But I don't mean you, Mrs. Goldstein.)
 

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I am a mature woman, but please do not label me an old hag, sweetie.

I get the impression that the word "Troll" is used on lpsg to call out a members authenticity, or at least signal the degree to which one is actually "Real".
He is not gving you or anyone the label of "hag", ...sweetie:confused::biggrin1:
 

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I am a mature woman, but please do not label me an old hag, sweetie.

I get the impression that the word "Troll" is used on lpsg to call out a members authenticity, or at least signal the degree to which one is actually "Real".


Madame, it was never my intention to offend. You and I argue the same point. Hag is a horrid word to be used only by the lowest of brows. I never intended to stir such a bee's nest. In my little twisted part of the universe I have only ever heard the word troll used by young gay men to refer to older gay men they would rather not have to see in the club.

My appologies to all.
 
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Nope, Mrs. Goldstein.
It's about one's intentions.
Are you here to stir up shit, annoy the hell out of everybody?
Make peeps sorry you're here?
Then you're a troll.
(But I don't mean you, Mrs. Goldstein.)


That sounds more like a person with a divergent point of view. You know that voice we treasure so much in a democracy, the voice of dissent.
I would hope, that a "Troll" is not someone whom holds a view contrary to the popular "Group-Think". A "Troll" to me is someone whose views are entirely vulgar, consistently violent, extremely dismissive, adding absolutely zero value to meaningful discourse.
 

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As a gentleman who has not been a twinkie for several decades I have never considered the term troll to be derogatory toward me.

I have certainly been quilty of troll like behavior in more than one on line situation, but those incidents have always brought me great joy and amusement.

If I behavior in the sexual predator sense of the word, I certainly would like to be informed of that (and as soon as possible please), I still enjoy sex in abundance and know of no way to achieve as little sexual satisfaction as possible than to act like a troll.
 

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That sounds more like a person with a divergent point of view. You know that voice we treasure so much in a democracy, the voice of dissent.
I would hope, that a "Troll" is not someone whom holds a view contrary to the popular "Group-Think". A "Troll" to me is someone whose views are entirely vulgar, consistently violent, extremely dismissive, adding absolutely zero value to meaningful discourse.


There are many people with divergent views whom few would call a troll.
And many trolls are not vulgar or violent.
Many, I think, are dismissive, however.
And one can be a troll while, occasionally, adding something of value to a discourse.
No, as I see it, a troll is someone who wants to be disruptive -- wants to provoke, wants to leave people feeling upset.

Here's some stuff from Wikipedia:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an online community such as an online discussion forum or USENET, with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.

Wikipedia's remarks about intent:

Attributing intent to trolls is a very difficult issue since by its very nature to call someone a troll is to already assume an intent, that they are posting only to cause problems. So once a person is called a troll they have already been categorized by the speaker as someone with a certain intention....
Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person, concentrating almost exclusively on facts irrelevant to the point of the conversation, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others....
The general element, that determines whether a malicious user is a troll or not, is the level of indignant emotions present in the person, coupled with the person's history with the forum or group. An indignant user who has had a previous normal relationship with the group is not a troll, even if the user uses methods of attack that are characteristic of a troll attack.
A troll's main goal is usually to arouse anger and frustration among the message board's other participants, and will write whatever it takes to achieve this end. One popular trolling strategy is the practice of Winning by Losing. While the victim is trying to put forward solid and convincing facts to prove his position, the troll's only goal is to infuriate its prey. The troll takes (what it knows to be) a badly flawed, wholly illogical argument, and then vigorously defends it while mocking and insulting its prey. The troll looks like a complete fool, but this is all part of the plan. The victim becomes noticeably angry by trying to repeatedly explain the flaws of the troll's argument. Provoking this anger was the troll's one and only goal from the very beginning.
 

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I think that's a bit unfair Cal. He may not be familiar with the term in its internet context though I've seen it used both ways here. Give him a few more posts to show his intentions and then decide.

I will say to Steamboy that it's a bit early in our introduction to be so critical of us. We're still making first impressions. You will find LPSG has a unique combination of GLBT interacting in harmony.

Welcome!

Thank you for your welcome. It appears I have been guilty of the very thing I had admonished.

Again my applogies to all.
 

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I don't think you've been guilty of anything, Steamboy.

Thank you, but it seems that I am. By no means am I new to the internet, but to such sites as this, yes I must say I am a novice. The meaning of troll givin by those who responded to my initial post would seem to bare out that I myself have 'trolled' in this, my first thread. It was not my intention.