When did you realise that the end of your penis was missing?

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I guess I was about 3 or 4 years old when I saw my best friend's uncut dick. I was curious but didn't think much about it after that.
 

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So many millions of men have been circumcized, and so few seem to carry a sense of trauma. It seems to me this is a very 'conceptual' trauma for those few who claim to feel it. (I have never heard anyone, in person, lamenting this particular form of disfigurement.)
Disfigurement is a good word. Perhaps you haven't heard me yet. My post was second after the OP.

But why would one want to think about these things, blow on the embers of resentment, and create a sense of violation?
For someone who actually had a problem, maybe you were glad to be cut. I don't question your personal experience. I'm sure you don't mean to question mine. I do however question your parents decision as I know that many medical care providers provide misinformation about normal male genitals, such as early retractions and scrubbing that result in problems such as yours. You may ask yourself what was different about your early experiences with your penis than the other 2.5 billion intact men on the planet. I once gave a class presentation on circumcision where a mother from California claimed that all three of her boys had to be cut as adolescents. I posed the same question to her.

As far as I know it is not possible to have a penis problem at a few hours or days of age. I'm not creating a sense of violation. Therein is the violation. Why do you think I am manufacturing it?
 

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FROM YOUR FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD:

It really took me quite awhile to envision where the stolen bits were once attached or how. I finally figured this out in adulthood by looking at two friend's penises. One was much younger and hadn't been cut at birth as the trend is downward. Another is from Mexico. I was struck by how much redder and more vascular their penises are than the standard U.S. clip cock.

When all was said and done I felt betrayed by my culture's disinformation campaign and angry that, of all things, a part of my penis was amputated.

I don't mean to be insensitive, but you took, I assume, a couple decades to discover that you had good cause to be pissed off. Well, if you weren't pissed off for two decades (or however long it took), why would you want to become pissed off? I mean, that feeling is one of contraction that takes you out of the present, reduces your connection with the life that's rolling out in front of you now, and, to me, has no real point. It's a feeling to be avoided. (Even, I might add, when from certain perspectives it can be justified.)

As 80–85 percent of the world’s men have complete genitals, I could easily find pictures of intact men showing that they have a lot more skin on the penis and scrotum and everything moves more freely. I was cut so tight, I didn't know you could jerk off without Vaseline. I feel a loss and wanted to understand why such a thing was done to me. With difficulty I put the pieces of the puzzle together. I've long since abandoned a false pretense of superiority about being cut, knowing that my condition is one of inferiority.

Okay, here we begin to understand. Your circumcision ... unlike, I believe, most ... has made a real functional difference.

I'm not creating a sense of violation. Therein is the violation. Why do you think I am manufacturing it?

Your position (and correct me if I'm wrong) seems to be that all circumcision is a huge violation.
Well, I don't want to give the impression that I care whether people are circumcized. The operation is generally unnecessary and probably should never have become as routine as it was for a time in North America.
But I know all kinds of circumcized guys who claim to have entirely satisfactory sex lives. And off this board, I've never heard a circumcized guy lament his circumcized status.
So the sense of violation in principle that certain people hold seems to me to have little point.
Your case is a bit different, because, as I noted above, your circumcision made a real functional difference.
But in this regard, I believe you are part of a small minority.

And haven't the intactivists essentially won anyway?
The circumcision rate is falling rapidly.
The passion can be put into urging governments to fund AIDS drugs in Africa or malaria nets for African children, or reconsideration of military policy in the Middle East, or creation of universal medical insurance schemes.
So many important causes, far from won ...

But really, dxjnorto, this is a bit silly of me.
We must respect the opinions of others even when we find we cannot share them.
 

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what? it's missing. I need to call the police.

anyway I think the end of the penis is the head of the penis.

as far as circumcision goes I think that if nature or God meant for the foreskin not to be there it would come off without an operation as the Hymen does.

If it is medically necessary that is a good reason to have it done.
 

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If it is medically necessary that is a good reason to have it done.
I'll modify that to say medical necessity is the only reason it should be done to someone who is too young to give consent. Adults can do it for any reason they choose. It seems that's a lot to ask for in USA. There's still a lot flak from nineteenth century thinkers.
 

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I realized something was wrong the first time I got an erection and it hurt like hell.My mother was mortified when she had to take me to the E.R. because I had torn the shaft skin masturbating dry.The doctor explained that since I was cut to tight I would have to use lube.Then he had to explain to me what being cut was,in front of mother!That was the end of me listening to anything she had to say about sex or sexuality.
 

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I don't mean to be insensitive, but you took, I assume, a couple decades to discover that you had good cause to be pissed off. Well, if you weren't pissed off for two decades (or however long it took), why would you want to become pissed off?
As usual Rubi, you words are well considered. Forgive me if I don't respond to it all, I find no one reads the long posts - it's going to be too long anyway.

Of course it took me years to be pissed off. You grew up in North America at the same time I did. Presumably your experience was somewhat like what I describe in post #2. No one cut at birth has a reference point.

A good test for this is if we can say the same things about amputating the male prepuce as we can say about amputating the female prepuce. One is trivialized. One is met with horror. Why? The answer is heavily loaded culturally.

Okay, here we begin to understand. Your circumcision ... unlike, I believe, most ... has made a real functional difference.
The function of the foreskin is readily apparent. Perhaps you are basing this on your own experience of having a "medical" problem - probably medically caused (iatrogenic) problem with your penis.

The reasoning goes since circ has no benefits (for infants, I have to heavily emphasize this all the time) it must also have no detriment. This has no logic. As a medical rationale it is a simple scam.

And off this board, I've never heard a circumcized guy lament his circumcized status.
For all the reasons you give Rubi. You recite the classic trivialization, then note that no one wants to come forward.

So the sense of violation in principle that certain people hold seems to me to have little point.
The point is quite obvious Rubi, to educate people away from this ethically bankrupt practice. The circ rate is not falling nearly as rapidly in the U.S. as you seem to think it is. It has fallen off in nations that have a centralized health care system, which I'm not really an advocate of, but it would help make this particular problem go away much more quickly. Here's a recent link that I posted in a related thread. Hooray for Aussie boys:

Snip 'not worth cost' | Herald Sun
 

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No kidding. Did it affect her sexually?

No. I was kidding/being sarcastic.

I am constantly amused by the victimization theme on so many of the posts.

General Victimization Themes:
1. My life is ruined because I never got to experience my foreskin.
2. The man is keeping me down.
3. Eight generations in the future will hate me because I didn't buy enough carbon offsets.
4. Big Business, Big Brother, the Trilateral Commission, the John Birch Society, <insert political party/politician>, are plotting to take away my <insert right/entitlement>
:eek:
 

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It's beginning to get a bit amusing, how every few months some people here get into a religious war about the subject.
 

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And haven't the intactivists essentially won anyway?
The circumcision rate is falling rapidly.
Jerry has already responded, but I want to add: In Canada the circ. rate has fallen rapidly but in USA just gradually. NHDS data showed ~64% in 1995 and ~57% in 2004. Intactivists are nowhere near winning. The African circ. bullshit might even cause a setback.
The passion can be put into urging governments to fund AIDS drugs in Africa or malaria nets for African children, ... So many important causes, far from won ...
Those are serious problems but they already have tons of government money, beaucoup activists, and some Hollywood big-asses working on them. The Intactivist Movement isn't so fortunate. I have personal reasons: my dick has cosmetic damage. I've posted about that a number of times so I won't now. Jerry got meatal stenosis during infancy so his circ. problems started before he knew he was circ'd.
 

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... I was kidding/being sarcastic.
It was obvious.
I am constantly amused by the victimization theme on so many of the posts.
I don't consider myself to be a "victim" but infant circumcision has no proven medical benefits so anyone who has an iatrogenic effect has a right to complain since the procedure wasn't needed in the first place.
General Victimization Themes: ...
That remainder of the post was so absurd that it isn't worth a comment.
It's beginning to get a bit amusing, how every few months some people here get into a religious war about the subject.
Every few months? It seems continuous to me. The quantity fluctuates but there's usually something being argued all the time.
 

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No. I was kidding/being sarcastic.
I got your sarcasm dork. I think piercing the ears of babies is stupid too, but the point is ears do not have a sexual function.

Why do you (and others) suggest psychological underpinnings when the physical explanation does well enough? Occam's razor you know.

It's all part of shaming those who expose a bankrupt social practice that has no place in a first world nation.
 

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I got your sarcasm dork. I think piercing the ears of babies is stupid too, but the point is ears do not have a sexual function.
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I think that ear piercing in babies is fine. It can be a cultural thing. It is not mutilation and the peircing can close on it's own. It also helps you see if a baby is female or male. Sometimes they really all do look alike.
 

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I was well into high school before I ever saw someone with an uncut dick. I found it absolutely fascinating, but I thought he was the one who was missing something, i.e. the experience of having his penis "normalized." He was the poorest kid I knew, also, so I thought his family couldn't afford to give him what all the rest of us had. (I know exactly how all that sounds, but you ask a subjective question and my subjective response is that, to tell the truth it has never really occurred to me that something negative has happened to me or that I am missing anything.) Intellectually I know I am circumcized, but I can't say that knowledge has ever permeated my world-taken-for-granted. I still think of uncut ones as exotic, not of myself as "other."
 

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At some point in High School, after having had sneeking suspicions about having been circumsized, I saw a picture of John Lennons uncut dick from the double fantasy album. I made a comment about how it was unusual to me to a friend I had known forever. He said he was uncut too. I'm still realizing how much it changes the physical aspects of things. Like it just now hit me how he reacted before I saw the John Lennon picture and had commented that I always used some sort of lubricant to jerk off and he was like, I don't use anything.
 

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I didn't know I was cut until someone told me around 18. I was born in a Catholic hospital, they probably just snipped and baptized without even asking back then.

The only foreskins I'd seen were PE in junior high school, after the schools were integrated, the black kids were uncut, I didn't know that at the time, just presumed they were differently shaped.:rolleyes:

They were presumably born at home, in 50's Florida, I don't know if black people would have been welcome in a hospital except to clean.
 

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I'm cut and its never bothered me, at all.

I do have the usual line where you can see it was removed, and on the bottom i have a tiny bit a skin that bunches, but once its hard that goes away.

It's never bother me, I'll admit i sometimes wonder what it would be like to have foreskin, but that's it. Not cut too short, no painful erection, ive never thought about foreskin reconstruction surgery.

I'm content with my penis in most ways.
 

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When did I realise the end of my cock was missing?

After my other half gave me a BJ last night and suddenly started choking then turned blue.