When did you realise that the end of your penis was missing?

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It's not what you advocate, it's how you do it and the anger that you hold. I like being cut, no big deal. You don't see websites and organizations devoted to circumcision. You don't see people attacking someone's religion if they don't circumcize.

I think that if the ant-circumcision group would calm down a little they would get more people to listen to them. It's the method, not the matter.

Do a quick google search and you'll come up with hundreds of circumcision fetish sites. A lot of them are very pro RIC, which in my mind is extremely sick. It's one thing for an adult to make a decision about his own foreskin, another for those who get turned on sexually by circumcision to advocate for infants.

The tide is slowly turning. Since only about half of all baby boys are being cut, there's not doubt that when they reach the age of majority, society's attitude will begin to change.
 

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MA in Counseling Psychology with a Specialization in Transpersonal Psychology and a registered Marriage and Family Therapist Intern with three years of practical experience beyond school here.

And counseling wouldn't hurt...
All that specialization and not a child advocate. So sad.
 

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A gay obsession. ...
Ha ha! Very funny.

I do like Latinos but there are additional reasons besides what you're alluding to: dark eyes, wonderful skin color, and rugged faces. Umm ... I'm off-topic.

You seem to be developing an interest in men.:biggrin:
 

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Intact is the default condition of the male animal. You know, like blue is the default condition of the sky. I don't understand what you are trying to prove at all. Errm. You making yourself look stupid I guess.
 

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That's a good website. Thanks for the tip!

I think a better word for it is preference. Gay men probably have a little more knowledge of what the penis is all about and definitely talk about it. Do women?

They also know that a foreskin provides an extra level of pleasure.

Your obsession seems to be with gay men's interest in the intact penis.

Your posts are really trying to creep me out.
 
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OH my goodness this JUST in.........

dyjnorto, chico, @ stevehd YOUR tax dollars are going to waste!!

Anti-AIDS Program To Fund Circumcision

U.S. Initiative Targets African Men

[SIZE=-1]By Craig Timberg
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, August 20, 2007; A10[/SIZE]
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JOHANNESBURG, Aug. 19 -- President Bush's $15 billion anti-AIDS program will begin investing significant money in making circumcision available to African men seeking to protect themselves from HIV, top U.S. health officials said Sunday.

Recent research showing that circumcision dramatically cuts the rate of HIV infection is highly convincing, a delegation of U.S. officials, led by Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt, told reporters in Johannesburg.

Countries taking part in the President's Emergency Program For AIDS Relief have been invited to seek money to expand access to the procedure.
Circumcision funding would be small at first, with budgets in the hundreds of thousands of dollars for individual countries. But it is likely to grow to be "an important part" of the program in coming months and years, said Kent R. Hill, an assistant administrator for the U.S. Agency for International Development.

The cells in the foreskin of a penis are especially vulnerable to HIV, and removing the foreskin makes a man about 60 percent less likely to contract the virus, studies in South Africa, Kenya and Uganda have shown. The research reinforces studies showing that regions with high circumcision rates generally have lower rates of HIV.

In Kenya, men from the Luo tribe, which does not circumcise its boys, have an HIV rate of 24 percent compared to a national rate of 7 percent. Kenya is among the nations preparing to expand circumcision services, Hill said.

Some other African nations have reacted warily to the studies. Most tribes in Africa once routinely circumcised boys in manhood rituals but the practice has declined in southern Africa, in part because of the influence of European missionaries who discouraged the practice as primitive.

Last year, before the recent studies, the Bush administration cut funding for a small program that was offering circumcision to men in Swaziland, where an estimated one in three adults is infected with HIV, the highest rate in the world. Swazis do not generally circumcise their boys.

The Bush administration had been reluctant to support circumcision
services until there was broad international consensus on the issue, Hill said. But the recent studies made clear that "this is going to be one of the major interventions in the international arsenal" against AIDS, he added.
 

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Originally Posted by simcha

MA in Counseling Psychology with a Specialization in Transpersonal Psychology and a registered Marriage and Family Therapist Intern with three years of practical experience beyond school here.

And counseling wouldn't hurt...

All that specialization and not a child advocate. So sad.All that specialization and not a child advocate. So sad.

Yeah and as a professional child advocate I prefer science, not the pseudo-science of the anti circ brigade. No one has proven universal harm to children getting circumcisions. Your side has failed utterly to prove this with anything but sensationalism, propaganda, and emotionalism. As a mental health professional I have yet to see one man, gay straight bi..., who has had a problem with being circumcised, and I'm in the Bay Area, home of the whacko anti circ movement. I know they exist in cyberland in small numbers... What I do see regularly are guys who suffer from low self esteem making issues about the appearance of their equipment, especially concerning size and the function of it, then using their obsession with the perceived inadequacy of their equipment as a way to avoid dealing with deeper underlying issues.
 

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No, it is not a gay obsession, that is just moronic statement.

Here’s a question for you, why would straight men care if a dick was uncut in a Porno? Supposedly straight men would be much more interested in the sex and woman then the male’s instrument. What you’re suggesting is because there is not a section in straight porn for uncut, only gay people care. I don’t see “big dick” in there either, I guess only gay men care about big dicks as well… :rolleyes:

Do you find it in anyway interesting that there needs to be a category for the "natural" state of a guy and not the other way around?

 
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Here’s a question for you, why would straight men care if a dick was uncut in a Porno?

You answered your own question. Gay obsession. The verdict stands.

Straight men - don't care
Straight women - don't care
Gay women - don't care
Gay men - care

Do you find it in anyway interesting that there needs to be a category for the "natural" state of a guy and not the other way around?

I've said many times before, it's a fetish. Something one needs or wants for sexual arrosal and satisfaction....arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification.
 
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You answered your own question. Gay obsession. The verdict stands.

Straight men - don't care
Straight women - don't care
Gay women - don't care
Gay men - care



I've said many times before, it's a fetish. Something one needs or wants for sexual arrosal and satisfaction....arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification.

Not always true. I think it all depends with education.

Less educated men - don't care
Less educated women - don't care

The less educated will inherit the earth - Idiocracy
 

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Yeah and as a professional child advocate I prefer science, not the pseudo-science of the anti circ brigade. No one has proven universal harm to children getting circumcisions. Your side has failed utterly to prove this with anything but sensationalism, propaganda, and emotionalism. As a mental health professional I have yet to see one man, gay straight bi..., who has had a problem with being circumcised, and I'm in the Bay Area, home of the whacko anti circ movement. I know they exist in cyberland in small numbers... What I do see regularly are guys who suffer from low self esteem making issues about the appearance of their equipment, especially concerning size and the function of it, then using their obsession with the perceived inadequacy of their equipment as a way to avoid dealing with deeper underlying issues.
So, as a man of science, perhaps you would agree that the medical indication for circumcision would be a little more than not having proved universal harm. I would hope that the MEDICAL indication for circumcision of anyone other than an adult would be that circumcision addresses a medical condition. What universal medical pathology does across-the-board routine infant circumcision address?
 

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So, as a man of science, perhaps you would agree that the medical indication for circumcision would be a little more than not having proved universal harm. I would hope that the MEDICAL indication for circumcision of anyone other than an adult would be that circumcision addresses a medical condition. What universal medical pathology does across-the-board routine infant circumcision address?

None and that's why simcha cloaks his arguments in pseudo psycho babble. He simply can't come up with a single reason to justify RIC.
 

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... Uncut <------------------------- do the math! ...
I counted 31 gay categories, so 1 / 31 x 100 = 3.2%, not really notable. Something that did jump out at me is the "Male Strap On" category in the straight group. Isn't that queer?

Anyhow, I have to ask: Does your wife know about your peculiar pursuit of penis porn?

OH my goodness this JUST in......... // dyjnorto, chico, @ stevehd YOUR tax dollars are going to waste!! // ...
The federal gov't wastes billions as a routine so I'm rather unimpressed with "hundreds of thousands". What's worse than the waste of money is: circumcision giving a false sense of protection. Decades from now they'll look back and may find that circ. increased the transmission rather than decreased.
You answered your own question. Gay obsession. The verdict stands.

Straight men - don't care
Straight women - don't care
Gay women - don't care
Gay men - care
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Verdict? Wow you're opinionated! Here's my estimate of Europe, Asia, and Australasia:

Straight men - care
Straight women - care
Gay women - don't care
Gay men - care
 

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Yeah and as a professional child advocate I prefer science, not the pseudo-science of the anti circ brigade. ...
We must live in reversed universes. I see your side advocating pseudoscience and my side as science-based. Here's some very simple science: if there's no medical indication then don't cut healthy flesh.

It's too bad that you don't advocate against harming healthy infants.
No one has proven universal harm to children getting circumcisions.
I will allow that since proving "universal harm" would be implausible. But it does cause harm and that's well documented. Even if it's a small percentage it's tragic if there's no medical indication. Speaking of "universal," your side has failed to prove universal benefits to adults nevermind specific benefits to infants.
Your side has failed utterly to prove this with anything but sensationalism, propaganda, and emotionalism.
Sensationalism: Don't cut if there's no indication.

Propaganda: Babies don't need immediate reparative surgery.

Emotionalism: Delay the decision 18 years and let the owner/operator decide.
As a mental health professional I have yet to see one man, gay straight bi..., who has had a problem with being circumcised, ...
So if you haven't seen any then they don't exist?
... and I'm in the Bay Area, home of the whacko anti circ movement.
Whacko? Take a look at NOCIRC's website: nocirc.org ... do they look whacko? Speaking of the Bay Area, Edgar Schoen lives there. Also Stanford Univ. is pro-circ., i/m/o. So your area is balanced ... umm ... in some respects.
I know they exist in cyberland in small numbers...
Intactivism pre-dates the internet. And yes our numbers are small but even you would have to concede that Intactivists are having an effect. Here's a comment from Margaret Mead:
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.