I know some of this stuff has been discussed here in other threads. I'm just wondering WHEN certain behavior amoung guys crosses the line. Guess a lot of what I'm talking about stems from what I've seen on sites like Fratpad or Haze Him and sites like that. Of course I love the site and wouldn't want to change it. Here's what I do think; I'm sure a lot of the guys that join the pad, at least at first, could be considered straight. I CAN understand a guy can be straight and not mind hanging out with guys in the nude. I also can see straight guys taking showers together, going to a hot tub nude together and stuff like that. What crosses the line for me are things like jerking off together (I'm sorry I realize some people think this is a part of growing up but I'm uncomfortable with that idea). Massaging each other in the nude, wrestling in the nude or playing 'dick games'. What do you all think?? How far can a guy still consider himself straight in situations like I've mentioned?