When sexploration goes too far

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Old Proverb: "Be careful what you wish for: you might get it."
He probably had this scenario in his head for years, and the reality wasn't what he expected. Real people don't behave as we might imagine/hope/wish. Guess he could have scared himself, I dunno.
 

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Wow, I'm sorry to hear that such a potentially enjoyable event turned sour, and during the holidays no less.

As just about anyone would say, adding extra people to the sexual experience always poses risks and it's always very difficult to really know that you and your partner are on the same page prior to going into the event. Unfortunately, it's one of those things where it's really difficult to know what you're getting yourself into or ultimately how you'll come out feeling.

Perhaps I'm simply trying to see the best in people, but I'm inclined to say I see a sound argument in both you and your partner. As a man, I can say that though many of us try vainly to hide it, emotion plays a huge role in our lives. Between our egos and the level of emotional insecurity most of us exude, I think it safe to say we very much qualify as basket cases. It sounds like your partner may be really emotionally invested in you, and seeing you enjoy sexual pleasures brought on by another individual rocked his world a little bit. Maybe he isn't displaying his unrest in the most productive way, but, if I am hitting anywhere close to home, he probably had something of an epiphany during the event and realized that he really wasn't enjoying you being that happy with someone other than yourself. For some of people, it is very difficult to separate sex from emotion. It sounds like you successfully made that distinction and enjoyed the group sex as a purely sexual act; perhaps he wasn't able to separate, and is considering your sexual pleasure to coincide with emotion -- emotion not directed at him. If that's the case, I can understand his reluctance to spoil the moment-- during or after. If you were as expressive as you seem, it would have been obvious that you were really enjoying yourself; no one who really cares about their partner wants to spoil a happy moment for them or make them feel guilty afterward. And let's face it: you're a very beautiful woman, "a prize" some might say; but dating one of the "hot chicks" can be a dual-edged sword. As much as any guy might fantasize being with a 12-out-of-10 girl, it always comes at a price: many find themselves insecure when faced with the reality that they're not the only ones who see drool-worthy sexual appeal in their partner, whom both know could easily have their pick of other guys if ever they wanted. On some level, at some point, there will be the thought in our head that "this girl could have any guy she wants, easily; all it takes is one screw up from me and she could be on her way to having another guy before I even have time to let the heartbreak sink in."

On the other hand, you make a very valid point: you shouldn't have to shield your sexual excitement or in any other way dim your true colors. If you can't be who you really are around your partner, then your relationship needs ... routine maintenance. If you honestly believe that he would prefer you tame yourself to suit his pleasures, then you should definitely confirm that with him and if necessary move on. As much as I would like to think that nobody would be so selfish/dimwitted as to impose limits like that on someone they claim to love, I know better. However, if my wishful thinking is anywhere close to on target with your partner, than I really don't think that is his intention. If he really is just a little shaken up by it, my thoughts are that he probably just isn't expressing himself in a good way but he is less hurt by the fact that you really enjoyed the experience and more by the fact that someone else shared the responsibility for that level of enjoyment.

Or maybe he's just an ass and wanted to test you to give you an opportunity to show that sex with anyone but him was thoroughly uninteresting and anticlimactic, and was disappointed when things turned out differently. :p

Either way, I hope you two manage to work through this and move on to better, happier days. It would be a shame for such a cool/fun/great/etc experience to end in the termination of your relationship. I wish you the best.

Happy New Year---
 

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Dear lord... maybe the boyfriend enjoyed the room mate too much and is weirded out by that fact... OR maybe he's freaked about being "gay", there was another dude there. Until he tells her what's on his mind...it's all speculation.
 

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There is no such thing as purely recreational sex.

You are toying with the most primal forces human beings experience... and no matter what you or the others involved imagine to be the case, hearts are ALWAYS in play.

People who engage in even the most casual and essentially carnal of encounters are merely playing russian roulette with the odds that they may run across a sex partner who elicits far more profound feelings than they are betting will be involved.

You never know, when touching someone new, whether their touch will reach that part of you you pretend to have the power to hold in reserve for your mate.

I would bet what bothers your boyfriend was how easily you slid into the event and enjoyed it... which implies to him that there will be more such experiments... and he will have to take his chances that, among the others you may bed, you might meet some fellow who is far more important to you than he.

And, frankly... if this is his dilemma, his instinct in this is dead right.

Just as it is impossible for any of us to really predict how we will handle seeing our love touched by another, until it happens.... you really have no idea how you will react when, one of these days, some 'purely carnal' fuck buddy touches you in a way that sinks in.

It is possible for people play such games and be unaffected... but it is an extremely rare confluence to get 3 or more people together ALL of whom can be completely unaffected by sexual intimacy with another.
And, seriously... do you really want a man who could be so unattached and blase about what you do with other men?

Personally... I don't want a woman who's heart would not break to see me hold another woman... or who would not break my heart in holding another man.

Sure I have fantasies... but they always involve imaginary and one dimensional characters who do not lay awake in the night crying over something that was left unsaid.
Who do not have insecurities, or longings that confuse their emotions in the heat of desire.

Real hearts are fragile... they can be shattered like glass.

And when playing with the fire of arousal and desire, most of the time, somebody gets burned.
Wow...so well put.
 

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I think you've put your cart in front of the horse on this one. Reallllly reading a bit too much into it.



Also, I don't play my life by societies idealized "must do x by __ age" -- life is not trickling away, it is only beginning! It is what you make of it and how you enjoy it, so live life, not someone else's! ;)

Sorry if I erred.... I was definitely reading between the lines...

And I don't mean to suggest that you should follow some idealized plan... just that, life IS trickling by. If you live to 75, 1 third of your life is already spent.
And, for a woman, certain choices, such as having children, are even more age dependent.

Trust me... older people are always wondering where the time went for a good reason. The next 10 years of your life will go by far faster than the last 10 did.

Also. in finding a mate...
People hook up. The men willing and able to commit do so... and I am old enough to have seen a lot of people, who are having a high and fun time in their 20's, imagine that that shit goes on as long as they please... only to find out that it does not.

Age, careers, responsibilities begin to pile up and narrow your options and it becomes harder.

Live life as you please, by all means...
but do recognize that time is limited. Life is finite.

In 5,000 days, you will be 38.

In 10,000 you will be my age, 52.
 

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In 10,000 you will be my age, 52.

That's a really good album by Tool! :tongue:



And just so anyone reading knows, I have discussed this with my boyfriend already. I did not bother to elaborate on what became of it simply because I didn't wish this thread to become any more of a personal drama than it already is. :wink:
 

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I think Phil makes a lot of good points for you Paige, but I think he is missing one thing IME. Your thread is about exploring sex, for me this is about attitude. Does a partner have the same wish to explore or even the attitude that it is worth exploring, even if this will not involve them?

We tend to have little problem with partners exploring other interests, so long as it doesn't become time obsessive, but we seem to carry this moral baggage that sexploration is only really OK so long as both parties are involved. There are good and bad reasons for this, but what it boils down to is whether a prospective long term partner both wants to go on your sexual journey, whilst going on their own, and will understand that part of those journeys may not involve each other.

Not being involved in aspects of a partner's sexual journey will not be a problem if that partner has the attitude that a sexual journey is important for their partner.
 

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to further enforce what i had mentioned, here's a vid of a girl getting fucked really, really well... (i picked this up from the adult websites section)

Horny Amateur Fucks While Her Friend Records - Free Porn, Porn, Sex ::Shooshtime.com::

imagine she was your girl and you were there. would you be jealous that she was getting a serious good fuck or would you be glad that she's getting incredible pleasure? the sad truth is that some guys will look at this and be immediately jealous or angry that the girl is getting so much pleasure from this other dude.

You don't think that it's a bit normal to get upset that a woman you love is best pleasured by another man? I would think that if you really love someone you want to be the one that can best pleasure them. If you aren't the one that can best pleasure them then you are gonna start questioning whether you deserve her since you want what's best for people you love.
 

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There is no such thing as purely recreational sex.

That may be true for you, but it is not true for everyone.


You never know, when touching someone new, whether their touch will reach that part of you you pretend to have the power to hold in reserve for your mate.

People have control of their emotions and behaviour. Their emotions and behaviour are not in control of them. Sexual partners, while they may have the potential, are only able to touch 'that part of you' in any significant way if you allow it.


Just as it is impossible for any of us to really predict how we will handle seeing our love touched by another, until it happens.... you really have no idea how you will react when, one of these days, some 'purely carnal' fuck buddy touches you in a way that sinks in.

Over the years I've had two FB's that have done such a thing. But I choose to distance myself from those feelings and not allow them to affect any of those involved (including myself). Just because the feelings (or the potential for the feelings) are there, it does NOT mean you are at the mercy of those feelings.


Given this response... i think what is bothering your boyfriend is that something about the encounter made it clear to him that you really do not "love" him in any way that is deep or special.

So if she loved him (or felt deeply about him), she wouldn't have enjoyed sex with another man? Sorry, but no matter how much I love someone, it doesn't automatically switch off my physical responses to others.


but you should be mature enough to realize that most people want something deeper out of sex and that they do not call it "making love" for nothing.

Most people? Just because YOU feel this way, it doesn't mean MOST people feel this way. Yes, many people do. But there are also many people who can enjoy sex in a physical sense, without necessarily looking for more.


But loveless sex is no different than masturbation... there is more feeling in playing checkers with one you really care about than in wild sex with a person who means little to you.

Who said she (or anyone else for that matter) was having sex to experience FEELING?

Seriously, the air of superiority in your posts and the implication that the way YOU feel about sex should apply universally, has really pissed me off.


And just so anyone reading knows, I have discussed this with my boyfriend already. I did not bother to elaborate on what became of it simply because I didn't wish this thread to become any more of a personal drama than it already is. :wink:

Thanks for the update. We ARE interested in your personal drama BTW :tongue:


You don't think that it's a bit normal to get upset that a woman you love is best pleasured by another man?

It's normal enough to feel upset over the thought of your partner being with and enjoying someone else. But this is something to be considered BEFORE you okay her fucking someone else, not after.

And did Paige say she enjoyed the other guy more than she did her partner? I don't remember reading that.


I would think that if you really love someone you want to be the one that can best pleasure them. If you aren't the one that can best pleasure them then you are gonna start questioning whether you deserve her since you want what's best for people you love.

Maybe you (general you, not specific you) WANT to be the best sex partner they've had, but that really doesn't mean you will be. There can only be one 'best', and because relationships are built on much more than sex, that 'best' usually won't be the one you're with.
 

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Maybe you (general you, not specific you) WANT to be the best sex partner they've had, but that really doesn't mean you will be. There can only be one 'best', and because relationships are built on much more than sex, that 'best' usually won't be the one you're with.

But you want to be the best in all regards. Maybe I'm thin skinned on this but if I had any inclination that I wasn't "the best" for her I don't think the relationship could last. For one thing it would immediately set me off to try new things and do everything within my power to try and be "the best" and no one likes to be a failure at something they try really hard at especially if that failure is depriving someone they care about of something.

Okay--caveat--that is just my way of thinking about it. But I'm one of those people that don't compromise on or half-ass anything.
 

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But you want to be the best in all regards. Maybe I'm thin skinned on this but if I had any inclination that I wasn't "the best" for her I don't think the relationship could last. For one thing it would immediately set me off to try new things and do everything within my power to try and be "the best" and no one likes to be a failure at something they try really hard at especially if that failure is depriving someone they care about of something.

Okay--caveat--that is just my way of thinking about it. But I'm one of those people that don't compromise on or half-ass anything.

I think it's great that you would put so much effort into trying to be the best she's had (I assume you want that for her benefit, not just to stroke your own ego :tongue:). But it doesn't mean you would be the best. And that wouldn't mean you were a failure. You don't have to be the best to be appreciated for who and what you are.

Sometimes you just don't have the sexual chemistry with one person that you have with another. But sex really isn't the most or only important thing in a relationship. It's one thing of many. My best two partners sexually were numbers 13 and 20 out of 27. But that doesn't mean that the others were crap, or that number 27 (a LTR) should have felt like he was a failure and left me. In fact, I actively gave up sex with 13 and 20 to be with 27, despite knowing that the sex with 27 wasn't as good.
 

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Okay....I can respect that.

I just know me and if I did know that I wasn't her best I would probably drive myself psychotic trying to figure out why she wasn't dumping my ass when I have an obvious deficiency.....and doing that would probably drive her away from me for good.

Then again I'm noted for having a huge "all-or-nothing" perfectionism issue. Couple that with an emotional attachment to a woman that you want to do anything in the world for and I can see how this would spiral out of control if you found out there was an area of your relationship where another man would always be better for her than you.
 

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Okay....I can respect that.

I just know me and if I did know that I wasn't her best I would probably drive myself psychotic trying to figure out why she wasn't dumping my ass when I have an obvious deficiency.....and doing that would probably drive her away from me for good.

Then again I'm noted for having a huge "all-or-nothing" perfectionism issue. Couple that with an emotional attachment to a woman that you want to do anything in the world for and I can see how this would spiral out of control if you found out there was an area of your relationship where another man would always be better for her than you.

Taking this to PM because we're getting the thread way too off topic . . .
 

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to further enforce what i had mentioned, here's a vid of a girl getting fucked really, really well... (i picked this up from the adult websites section)

Horny Amateur Fucks While Her Friend Records - Free Porn, Porn, Sex ::Shooshtime.com::

imagine she was your girl and you were there. would you be jealous that she was getting a serious good fuck or would you be glad that she's getting incredible pleasure? the sad truth is that some guys will look at this and be immediately jealous or angry that the girl is getting so much pleasure from this other dude.

Those are the two kinds of people us men are separated into. I wouldn't mind seeing my woman being pleasured by another man but if she was getting pleasured to the point where I can't pleasure her that much, I'd be jealous!
 

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You don't think that it's a bit normal to get upset that a woman you love is best pleasured by another man? I would think that if you really love someone you want to be the one that can best pleasure them.

don't misunderstand. there's no way you will be the best. it's a fact of life. there will always be someone out there better in whatever it is that you are trying to be. a relationship is not about being the "best" for your partner. you will chase this til the day you die and not accomplish everything. i think it's a slow self-destructive thought process.

If you aren't the one that can best pleasure them then you are gonna start questioning whether you deserve her since you want what's best for people you love.

reread my first response up top... i personally do care that i can pleasure my partner, that is a given (and i already know i can, i don't question it). i also respect that i am not the only one that can pleasure my partner; anyone can to some degree. some can do more or less than i. i only want my partner to be able to experience sex to the fullest for what it is and be a part of those moments. i don't force it but i do welcome it at any time. i love and trust my partner fully. if something would come between us then we would talk and work it out.

is there a chance that some day some thing will be our deal breaker? yes, it always exist but it's a risk i'm willing to take to enjoy the moments that i want to create. no relationship is kryptonite-proof. learn from the past, live for today, and plan for tomorrow.

Those are the two kinds of people us men are separated into. I wouldn't mind seeing my woman being pleasured by another man but if she was getting pleasured to the point where I can't pleasure her that much, I'd be jealous!

you self-contradict yourself. you wouldn't mind seeing your woman pleasured by other men but you fear she will no longer want to be pleasured by you at some point should that time come? perhaps you're wording it wrong but if i'm reading this right, then you best not try to engage is such sex acts as you seem to already have a standard of pleasure expectation that may or may not be broken.

i don't have an issue because i want the same on my end. i would want my woman to want me to enjoy as much pleasure as possible too. it's a mutual thing.

to the OP, so what came about of all this? no need to go into detail, just give us a quick cliff-notes version as i'm sure we're all curious.
 

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you self-contradict yourself. you wouldn't mind seeing your woman pleasured by other men but you fear she will no longer want to be pleasured by you at some point should that time come? perhaps you're wording it wrong but if i'm reading this right, then you best not try to engage is such sex acts as you seem to already have a standard of pleasure expectation that may or may not be broken.

i don't have an issue because i want the same on my end. i would want my woman to want me to enjoy as much pleasure as possible too. it's a mutual thing.


In short; I wouldn't mind seeing her pleasured by someone else but not to the point where the pleasure gained from sex with someone else, is greater than the pleasure I give her. Do you get what I'm saying now?
 

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See, this is sort of the problem. There is a fundamental difference between pure physical pleasure and that of the emotional variety. Sleeping with "random" people *is* a purely physical act to me -- it's great fun, it does the body well, but that's where it ends. I collect no emotional nurturing, steadfast commitment, or experience that fuzzy-warm feeling inside that we all describe with such hyperbole.

Those are things only possible for my hypothetical "love" sate. However, that isn't to say that I wouldn't mind the physical side of things with others for the face-value pleasure, because getting that, as well as knowing the person you trust and care for is allowing it to transpire, wants you to experience it, and will share in that experience... well that just shuffles the whole deck clean.





Thanks for the update. We ARE interested in your personal drama BTW :tongue:

I'll make an update post later on this afternoon. I am just a bit brain dead at the moment and can't think of how I want to write what I need to. :frown1:
 
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