When was the last time you saw a honest to god fist fight?

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Or you could, for instance, file a complaint and get a restraining order. Or would that not be 'manly' enough? I didn't advocate opening yourself up for a cheap shot to the back of the head by the way. There are a lot of ways to walk away and be aware of someone following behind you (for instance if there is one available get a light (the sun for instance) behind you - you'll see their shadow coming long before they arrive) depending on the situation. Be sensible. Be safe.
 

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A restraining order won't help you before you have it while they are in your face. There are more times when you won't be able to see their shadow coming at you. What if it is too dark out to see their shadow or if your are faceing the direction the sun is shining. By the time you notice their shadow it could be too late as it would have been in my case considering he grabbed me as soon as I turned my back. I now know never to turn my back unless there is a certain amount of distance between you. And if that distance is between you they aren't posing a threat anyway. I have never needed to get a restraining order or take them to court for anything because I handle it the first time I have a problem with them. Either we argue for a little bit and nothing happens so we just ignore each other from then on or we fight and get it over with and it is over after that. The point I am making is sometimes you need to fight to defend yourself and walking away or ignoring them won't help. Where I'm from you have a better chance of getting your ass beat if you don't stand up for yourself.
 

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"What if the person lives in your neighborhood and everytime they see you after you backed down from them they decide to fuck with you. I know I'm not going to hide out in my house from them." "I have never needed to get a restraining order or take them to court for anything because I handle it the first time I have a problem with them. Either we argue for a little bit and nothing happens so we just ignore each other from then on or we fight and get it over with and it is over after that."

1) I only suggested the restraining order for the first instance mentioned - where they live by you and you are under continual risk of harrasement, not for a one-off as you mentioned in your next post.
2) What if you lose? Is it over with then or do they continue to harrass you? What if you win and the come back with more friends? How have you improved your situation?
3) The light I used as an example (hence the words 'for instance' preceding it). I'm not here to run a self defence course - there are many (as I'm sure you know) ways to put a safe distance between yourself and someone else.
4) Where I'm from we've moved past the concept of 'might makes right'
 

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I haven't had a person do anything to me after we have fought even if I lost the fight I think it is mainly because I wasn't the only person who was hurt in the fight and I don't think they want to go through with it again. I have only had someone come back with friends one time and they stood there running their mouth to me but not doing anything so I went and got some friends and they backed down and a couple of them are cool with me now. How do you put a safe distance between you and someone else without physically touching them or running away if they are approaching you? It is rare to find a place in the world where people don't get into fights occasionally. If it was that easy to avoid a fight there would be no need for self defense classes would there?
 

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Now where have I said that all fights were avoidable? You've missed my point entirely. What I said was 'do all that you can to avoid them, begining with learning not to run your mouth off when someone else does'. I never said don't defend yourself if you have exhausted all other options. I advocated exploring all the other options first. I'm not for a moment suggesting you lay down and take a kicking in the name of pacifism. I just recommend (for the sake of all involved) that people that people do all they can to avoid a fight. Most come with some degree of warning (someone has been looking at someone funny across the bar, which leads to words, which leads to ...) and in that case they are, imho and experience, avoidable. Someone comes out of nowhere, with absolutely no warning and attacks you in such a way that fleeing would result in greater injury, or there is no way to flee, then of course you defend yourself. Those situations though, if you are reasonably alert and aware of your surroundings, are pretty damn rare.
 

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Very interesting replies to this subject.
I've seen quite a few fights-some quite bad over the years. In pubs/clubs I've seen guys get into fights because someone looked at their girlfriend. As has been said,that is a common reason of fights. Here in England every weekend you only have to walk through a busy town after 11pm with pubs and I can guarantee you will see a fist fight. People drink themselves stupid and spill out on the streets and fights are caused. Its a big problem here in towns all over the country.
I've only seen 2 fights in gay pubs/clubs in over 8 years. They were just minor scuffles. Which were both over as quickly as they started. What's been your experience of fights in gay places are they the norm? Or have I been lucky. Why is fighting less common in gay places than straight places?
 

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In my 20's....working at the Sheraton-Boston, stoned-hippy. The UN-cool head of security got into it with a shithole 'guest'. They punched eachother out. I loved it. I think men like to pound the shit out of eachother, then make up and become pals. Those guys, being so savage and mindless with eachother, made me glad to be gay.
 

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Now where have I said that all fights were avoidable? You've missed my point entirely. What I said was 'do all that you can to avoid them, begining with learning not to run your mouth off when someone else does'. I never said don't defend yourself if you have exhausted all other options. I advocated exploring all the other options first. I'm not for a moment suggesting you lay down and take a kicking in the name of pacifism. I just recommend (for the sake of all involved) that people that people do all they can to avoid a fight. Most come with some degree of warning (someone has been looking at someone funny across the bar, which leads to words, which leads to ...) and in that case they are, imho and experience, avoidable. Someone comes out of nowhere, with absolutely no warning and attacks you in such a way that fleeing would result in greater injury, or there is no way to flee, then of course you defend yourself. Those situations though, if you are reasonably alert and aware of your surroundings, are pretty damn rare.

What I am saying is that from my experience it works better to avoid a fight if you stand up for yourself. That makes the person think maybe I am messing with the wrong person this time. If you back down it makes them think you can't fight and that's all the more reason for them to fight you, an easy win. These people that start fights are not interested in your apologies. When you ignore them or apologise even though you shouldn't they see that as weakness and fear and since they are starting the fight, now they think they will definitely be able to take you on. If you stand up to someone it makes them think twice about what they are doing. I think if I would have took your approach around my way I would have been in more fights.

 

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My last fight was in Grade 3.
Me and Roger J.
It was over quickly.
I mastered him quickly with an uppercut to the chin and a right hand to the belly.
Then recess was over and we went in and took turns drinking at the water fountain.
 

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I've seen way more fights than I can remember. There was violence pretty much every day at school and then being part of an underground music scene where the dancing gets really rough through the rest of my life there have been untold fights. Most of the time I think it's stupid and childish, but there are exceptions. My band was playing once and there were a group of really young kids (I'm talking 13, maybe 12) who'd follow us around dancing to us. One of them ran into this (adult) guy who punched him who was then beaten senseless by everyone who was quick enough to get to him.

Then there are the Nazis that occasionally turn up to our shows, who I have no problem beating just for being a Nazi. The ones who seig heil and talk about how they'll "get all their combat 18 mates down" are guaranteed to leave the place bloody, or more satisfyingly laying down.

I'm a very peaceful person and I do think there's a direct link between ego, vocalisation and agression. I know so many 40 or 50 year old men who still want to be known as the hardest in town and it's pathetic, but I think it's just because they have no other way of making themselves feel good. I don't get any buzz from fights, I guess I used to as a kid, but now I just get a mixture of boredom and frustration that yet another night out is going to be affected by some drunk dick who feels he's gotta prove himself. Also, times being what they are, it's more likely than ever that they'll be willing to use the knife they got tucked away in their sock.
 

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Sadly I was quite proud of myself, I'd not kicked that high since I gave up Tae-Kwon-Do several years before, and never in my life thought I'd manage it in that skirt lol

I know exactly what you felt...ashamed of yourself and yet proud at the same time. We still laugh about that night sometimes, and my friends still shake their heads remembering it. "Surreal" is a word they often use to describe it.
 

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The second last time I worked in the bar we had a regular who was likely 60. A young kid (22?) cold cocked him. He fell backward, hit his head on the pavement and needed surgery. Three months later he was almost back to normal.

I have seen them deteriorate into knife fights and my personal favourite (mostly because a group of 3 men all 35 years+ who should know better got kicked out of the bar for fighting) was when they returned with a sledge hammer, a shovel and... I really don't recall the other implement anymore. The one with the hammer took a customers knee out before we subdued and held them for the police.

I have seen eyeballs gouged with broken beer bottles and cars used as weapons after a “good” fistfight. In actual fair fistfights I have only seen one death result. The guy fell funny and cracked his head on the pavement. He died a few hours later and though it was a fair fight with no weapons and both men were participants the survivor was charged. I have seen a number of occasions where we needed to call an ambulance one or more of our customers and one or two where a doorman needed to be taken to hospital.

I personally know a doorman who has been charged with manslaughter because he was breaking up one of these “great events.” While I will not say that there is nothing worth fighting for I will state that almost any bar fight is not worth the risk you take.

As for being in a fight; I try to avoid it. I do not care to be hit so I usually grab one of the guys fighting and either choke him out or put less pressure but still drag him out. If it is a huge fight usually you just let them fight and grab the ones who either get knocked down or step outside of the main fight and toss them. Five doormen need not try to break up a brawl of 50 patrons in my eyes. Oh, and I do not put myself in front of somebody's fist. I have been hit once in my life and it was by a duty manager of the bar that I was working at.
 

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Last time in I was in one was about 8 months ago. For some reason these two arrogant meat-head types had a big problem with one of my closest friends. They always tried to corner him alone and scare him, and one day I saw it happening while I was walking with another of our friends. He's not small or easily pushed around but there were three of them and they were backing him into walls, etc. I yelled something and they turned around, words were exchanged, and pretty quickly there was a lot of shoving. Soon enough it was a 6 person fist fight. Nothing too ugly happened, as I've mentioned I have Aikido training (a martial art that teaches purely defensive and relatively peaceful submissions/ends to a conflict). I subdued one of them pretty quickly, giving a 3 vs 2 advantage which made it a lot easier for me to choke them out with out causing any significant damage. In the end one of my friends had a cut above his eyebrow and a bloody lip, the other a black eye, and myself two really jammed fingers. The other guys had their scrapes and bruises as well, but it could have been a lot worse.

And the last time I saw one was 2 months ago. Two dumbasses were fighting over something stupid, I think it was ice cream. They were slapping at each other like children until one got a decent punch, and broke the other's nose, ending the fight.
 

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Look up Kimbo on youtube and watch one of his videos. He does underground fighting for money. Pretty much anybody who wants to put up enough money against him he will go and fight them. But it isn't a no rules street fight. More like a boxing match without gloves. He still beats the shit out of people though.


kimbo had rules. you can see when sean gannon takes him to the ground (allowed in a no rules street fight) his enterouge steps in and stands him up.
kimbo got destroyed by trained fighters in MMA
 

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"What if the person lives in your neighborhood and everytime they see you after you backed down from them they decide to fuck with you. I know I'm not going to hide out in my house from them." "I have never needed to get a restraining order or take them to court for anything because I handle it the first time I have a problem with them. Either we argue for a little bit and nothing happens so we just ignore each other from then on or we fight and get it over with and it is over after that."

1) I only suggested the restraining order for the first instance mentioned - where they live by you and you are under continual risk of harrasement, not for a one-off as you mentioned in your next post.
2) What if you lose? Is it over with then or do they continue to harrass you? What if you win and the come back with more friends? How have you improved your situation?
3) The light I used as an example (hence the words 'for instance' preceding it). I'm not here to run a self defence course - there are many (as I'm sure you know) ways to put a safe distance between yourself and someone else.
4) Where I'm from we've moved past the concept of 'might makes right'

unfortunately restraining orders do not work. haven't you seen the storiesS? how many women are killed with a restraiining order in their purse?
 

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Sadly my fault; me and some mates went on a major bender to a local town a small bar fight erupted. Obviously if you get hit naturally all your mates will come fists swinging as well.
Got yellow carded by the police (48 hour ban from the town & no records kept) so wasn't that bad really.

Don't plan on getting in the same situation again.
 

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Fist fights.. *shudder*

I've never been directly involved but have been in the vicinity of a few. Late at night and probably fueled by alcohol.

The sight, or particularly the sound, of a fist making contact leaves me feeling nauseous. Professional boxing has a similar effect.
 

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Where do you people live? Real fights, deaths, beer goggles ... it's like the scum on the web in here. Last fight I saw in real life was in 1990, 2 drunk bozos at a party, people actually lost interest in about 2 minutes of them circling and looking mean. Meanies!

Last lynching I saw, 2005 Woodbridge ON, 2 dark skinned women in abayas got run over by Italian Tories, doused with petrol and set alight. What do you call a brown person in Harperland? Lost! Police covered the whole thing up but it was cool.

Last rape: I was under the warden's desk administering one of my world famous shoe shines. Suddenly the guards burst in asking for candy cane. The warden said it's either Frank or me. They went with Warden Hennessey. That shook my confidence and I seriously looked into hair restoration, but ultimately just gave up on Brazilian waxes.