When will it become acceptable for penises to be seen in public?

[Standard Deviant]

There isn't really a perfect category within the discussion forums to ask this. I am asking here because I am most interested in what women think the answer will be. I think women's acceptance will be the deciding factor. So here is the question:

Male nudity has been one of the most rigidly enforced taboos in modern Western civilization. When we see tribes where there is a less patriarchal structure, male genitals are often flopping around without any clothing or cover, or they wear accoutriments like gourds, which draw attention to male genitals and show off at least part of the gentialia (testicles, e.g.)...

When I was a little kid and teenager, you NEVER saw males nude in media, not even in porn, which was much more effectively kept out of sight of minors. By the 70s, Playgirl introduced some soft (and I do mean soft) images of male nudity. But now that the Internet has made it nearly impossible for people including children not to see nude males with raging erections and having sex, and open discussion of penises and penis size has become a major part of the everyday lexicon, I wonder if the current generation will elminate the taboo in general mainstream media against SHOWING penises?

Will we become somewhat tribalized, as Marshal McLuhan predicted, when it comes to this taboo? Will sitcoms and soap operas and game shows be including nudity, including blatant exhibition of penises, within the next 10 years? 20? 30? 50? What is your prediction, how will it happen, when will it happen, how will cocksize differences play into it, etc?

I suppose the earliest entry points are porn like Pamela Anderson and Paris Hilton... where mainstream figures interface with showing their pet penises...

 

[hung]

Statues in most countries other than the U. S. A. have had peni for years.

When will we catch up?

 

[Chick&2DicksUK]

At the same time as it becomes acceptable for the vagina to be seen in public - NOT in my lifetime, please.

I don't like my surprise to be presented in a see-through wrapper.

 

[B_4inches]

So wearing clothes is prudish now eh?

And I dont think its "being rigidly enforced" as if to say were it not for the enforcement (enforced by who exactly?) men would be walking around with thier junk hanging out in a totally non-sexual way of course.

Frankly, I like my clothes. I look good in em and I like the clothes woman wear and I have ZERO (0) desire to start seeing naked people when Im just trying to buy fruit.

 

[B_Think_Kink]

Probably never.

 

[hot-rod]

Statues in most countries other than the U. S. A. have had peni for years.

When will we catch up?

When the world stops believing in Jesus.

 

[Damian Johnson]

Huge pricks are seen in public all the time! George bush is the best example surely? A big prick the public does not want to see or have anything to do with but it still pops up on tv newpapers and magazines and we all feel violated and abused

 

[Chick&2DicksUK]

Huge pricks are seen in public all the time! George bush is the best example surely? A big prick the public does not want to see or have anything to do with but it still pops up on tv newpapers and magazines and we all feel violated and abused

Bush and his team are morons but, given the choice, would you now rather have his Democratic opponent, Al Gore (that certain: "even though I already have millions, it ain't enough, I want fame to go with the fortune and I'll stamp my feet and skweem or even jump on the "Green/Environmental bandwagon in order to get it"). The same Al Gore who justifies his 20,000 dollar per annum lighting bill for just one of his houses by saying "it's necessary".

To someone who can't pay that amount per annum to feed an entire family, that must sound a bit rich.

Not saying George is right, here, (but who is?). they're all OWNED by their sponsors. They've all sold their soul.

 

[D_Chaumbrelayne_Copprehead]

When the world stops believing in Jesus.

Sidebar -- how big do you think Jesus's dick was? He had to have one ....... just wondering ........

 

[cklover]

What a cute question!! I couldn't say why, but I think American males are ok with nudity among other males, for the most part (non-sexual, of course), but uncomfortable if women are around, say, on a nude beach, because most of us have relatively teensy-weensy wee-wees when we're soft and are afraid the women don't understand the phenomenon of 'grower'!:wink:

 

[Chick&2DicksUK]

Sidebar -- how big do you think Jesus's dick was? He had to have one ....... just wondering ........

If he was a Christian, it would be modest and rarely let out.

By the way, someone should have told his parents about the hotel situation in Bethlehem.

Bethlehem's hotels are always fully booked at Christmas

 

[oldick]

Probably never. Men can't keep a secret as well as women when nude.
When they see someone they like they would give it all away with a rise.

 

[SurferGirlCA]

If by acceptable you mean commonplace, I think it will be a looooooooooooong time before it happens in the United States.

First of all, remember that a good number of the Europeans who settled in the colonies did so for religious reasons, so we've had a puritanical strain running through our laws/attitudes from the beginning. Why is Australia such a laidback, live-and-let-live culture? Maybe partly because it was intended to be a penal colony for the criminal element being shipped over from the British Empire. :tongue: They got the rulebreakers, we got the people who were unhappy about not being allowed to pray the way they wanted to pray.

Secondly (mounting soapbox), as a patriarchal society, it's always been far more acceptable to objectify women - because the men who have been in charge for most of our history didn't mind seeing women in various stages of undress. On the other hand, not only are a lot of men not interested in seeing naked men, they actually are repulsed or even threatened by it. This has particular relevance on this site because I am sure an argument could be made that a lot of those men particularly don't like the idea of well-hung men being seen, because they feel they will suffer by comparison. I'm sorry, but men - gay and straight - are far more obsessed with penis size than women, and I say that as a woman who appreciates a big c*ck. :wink:

I don't see rampant male frontal nudity anywhere in the immediate future in the US.

 

[B_Demention]

I'm not sure it'll ever happen - female frontal nudity isn't exactly out there either - I can't remember the last time I saw a vagina in any media other than porn.

 

[SurferGirlCA]

I'm not sure it'll ever happen - female frontal nudity isn't exactly out there either - I can't remember the last time I saw a vagina in any media other than porn.

No, it's not common but it happens in mainstream movies now and then. Robert Altman purposely included a scene in "Short Cuts" in which Julianne Moore's character has a long monologue nude from the waist down facing the camera because he said he wanted to make the audience uncomfortable. Even in the first press screenings, people started squirming because they realized they couldn't not look at her hoo-ha.

BTW, for those who think there isn't a double standard at work, showing a woman full-frontal (not a quick flash) garners a film an "R" rating, whereas showing a man full-frontal for the exact same amount of time gets an "NC-17".

 

[B_Demention]

Yeah, it's interesting how that works. Breasts seem fair game but anything down south isn't with regards to ratings.

Oh, and can you do me a favor since you're in Cali? If you're ever in the vicinity of a Hollywood studio, let them know that I've personally had enough of men's bare asses in films.

I'm now off to hide behind all the other straight guys on this site.

 

[SurferGirlCA]

Yeah, it's interesting how that works. Breasts seem fair game but anything down south isn't with regards to ratings...

Nooo that's just it... a film with a woman nude from the waist down gets an "R", the same exposure of a guy gets the more extreme "NC-17" rating.

If/when I am on a studio lot up in LA, I'll be sure and leave a post-it note at the guard gate with your request. :wink:

 

[B_Demention]

Oh yeah, I wasn't reading properly, doh. It's late in the east.

 

[D_Kay_Sarah_Sarah]

So wearing clothes is prudish now eh?

And I dont think its "being rigidly enforced" as if to say were it not for the enforcement (enforced by who exactly?) men would be walking around with thier junk hanging out in a totally non-sexual way of course.

Frankly, I like my clothes. I look good in em and I like the clothes woman wear and I have ZERO (0) desire to start seeing naked people when Im just trying to buy fruit.

I couldnt agree more:notworthy: Clothing is compulsory for good reason. To stop children being exposed to that kind of behavior and perverts being allowed to exposed themselves to children. Places like nudest camps and beaches are around for people who choose to be nude. But by no means should it be considered acceptable in everyday life

 

[Standard Deviant]

Thank you all for some of the smartest, funniest, most thoughtful posts I've seen on LPSG in awhile.

SurferGirl: Great comments on the USA puritanical foundations vs. Australia's origins as a place for rulebreakers. In a way, though, I think this could lead to the opposite sort of extreme being reached in the USA at some point. Repression and puritanism actually produce excessive sexualization. So if we do get to where penises become uncovered in mainstream culture/media, then we can expect to see erect, turned-on cocks as opposed to flaccid, "natural nudist" penises.

Also, SurferGirl, we are changing, I think, from patriarchal to matriarchal. Lots of evidence of that. At least, even if patriarchy remains in control of money and government, there are parts of our society that are already highly matriarchal (education, both K-12 and higher ed). The Internet also opens up channels for women. And I agree with your thought that in the past, most men wanted to hide big cocks from view because they didn't want it to be known that they were comparatively small themselves, BUT I believe this has begun to turn over now. I think the "cat's out of the bag." Internet has made it obvious that there are many super hung specimens. I think most men are beginning to view it more like they view professional sports: they envy, yes, but also admire and kind of "root them on." They project and imagine themselves in the big dicked men's position, they fantasize and enjoy it vicariously. (Also, many men today are "whipped" by their educational experiences where women dominate--I went back to grad school this decade and was amazed at how young men have been conditioned to submission in many ways. There is a prominent feminist who wrote recently complaining about how men have become too docile sexually as a result of feminist domination. I will find her name and the article--can't think of it right at the moment.)

The conversation between SurferGirl and Slant raises something I want to suggest that is different from just frontal nudity: I mean, don't you see a point where penises will be treated the same as breasts and butts--because they are external and out there and visible and can't be concealed, there is a different visual dynamic between male genitalia and viewers versus the visual dynamic between female genitalia and viewers. I foresee a strong possibility that within a couple of decades, erect penises will be shown in fairly mainstream media (perhaps adult channels on cable tv or internet will develop as parental controls are more used).

I will bet that those of you who are under 50 years of age can't imagine how much things have already changed in the past few decades, so underestimate how much change could occur in the coming few decades. I remember having a dream once in about 1977 that there would be some nudity on television in the future, and telling my dad about it. "It will NEVER happen," he insisted. But even just the swimwear that exposes whole butts was unthinkable then. Last night on Turner Classics I saw "Romeo and Juliet" with rear nudity for him and frontal for her. The words "fuck" and "shit" were unthinkable in media even 15 years ago, but you hear them now. What would be most amazing of all to a time traveller if one could have been transported from the early 1970s to 2008 would be all the references to penis size in mainstream sitcoms, etc. I can't convey how unimaginable it was back then.

Finally, porn was "men only" until late 1972 when the movie "Deep Throat" came out, and many "normal" people went to see it out of curiosity, many in M/F couples. Theaters were still too seedy and it reverted to a mainly male phenomenon until videotape players became common in the late 1980s. Now that porn is on the internet, usage by women is huge. I strongly suspect females who have grown up with access to images of nude, erect males since a young age will tend to normalize the imagery in mainstream culture and media--eventually. I hope it happens soon enough for me to experience it.