Where is the representation for black "Daddies" in porn etc?

[BiShyGuy]

Hello,

May I first say to the OP: I LOVE YOUR EROTIC STORIES!!

I am a divorced, black , 40ish daddy, the kind with actual kids,too.

While there are a number of really well reasoned and supported theories here, we may be overlooking some unique circumstances within the black community that contribute to the unequal representation of older black men in porn. I think we should look beyond the micro lens of porn and perhaps through the macro lens of the black community as a whole.

1. Mortality: black mortality rates still negatively outpace most other ethnic groups and this can stem from a number of reasons such as lifestyle choices(drugs, alcohol, etc) to the criminality which causes the demise of too many young black men. And before you say we are talking about older men here, I would say that I am old enough to remember the cracked out 80s and the dreaded drive-bys and violence it wrought in its wake. Tens of thousands of black men killed in the 80s and 90s would be ripe for daddy status right about now.

2. Healthcare: Lack of access to adequate Healthcare is also a huge issue which has come into full view in light of the pandemic. Couple that last one with the fact that there are diseases that tend to genetically transcend generations like diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease and the problem is made that much worse. Alcoholism and drug use are a major factor here too. For the last few years we have been, as a community, stunned by the number of black actors/rappers/celebrities from the 80s, 90s and 00s, who are now dying in their early and late 50s due to these afflictions. I mean I literally just read online while perusing headlines that actor Anthony Johnson, who died 5months ago, perished due to chronic ethanol use i.e. alcoholism. And he is just one of many in the last several years.

3. Culture: While there are certainly plenty of blacks who happen to be gay and are unashamed, they are still in the minority within the community. Despite what you read and hear, many blacks still carry a heap of homophobia with them either because of so-called religion or their misguided belief that homosexual men are somehow 'less than' their hetero counterparts. This is another reason why older black men tend to seem less omnipresent in porn in their mature years. They have families and they don't want the stigmatization or ostricization that is associated with gay men in the black community.

4. Studio ownership: Many of the studios, production companies and other porn outlets are owned by older white men. They often have a very narrow view of black men and it certainly isn't that of a mature, intelligent, desirable creature. Many of them think black men are just beasts of sex and best viewed when young and possessing a BBC. A middle aged black man may as well be a gelded horse. This is not just fodder or limited to studios. The infantilzation of black men is a real and persistent thing.


I'm getting off on a tangent but I just wanted to add a few more ripples to this pond of discussion. I really am enjoying the dialog and I hope we can be respectful of one another.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Hello,

May I first say to the OP: I LOVE YOUR EROTIC STORIES!!

I am a divorced, black , 40ish daddy, the kind with actual kids,too.

While there are a number of really well reasoned and supported theories here, we may be overlooking some unique circumstances within the black community that contribute to the unequal representation of older black men in porn. I think we should look beyond the micro lens of porn and perhaps through the macro lens of the black community as a whole.

1. Mortality: black mortality rates still negatively outpace most other ethnic groups and this can stem from a number of reasons such as lifestyle choices(drugs, alcohol, etc) to the criminality which causes the demise of too many young black men. And before you say we are talking about older men here, I would say that I am old enough to remember the cracked out 80s and the dreaded drive-bys and violence it wrought in its wake. Tens of thousands of black men killed in the 80s and 90s would be ripe for daddy status right about now.

2. Healthcare: Lack of access to adequate Healthcare is also a huge issue which has come into full view in light of the pandemic. Couple that last one with the fact that there are diseases that tend to genetically transcend generations like diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease and the problem is made that much worse. Alcoholism and drug use are a major factor here too. For the last few years we have been, as a community, stunned by the number of black actors/rappers/celebrities from the 80s, 90s and 00s, who are now dying in their early and late 50s due to these afflictions. I mean I literally just read online while perusing headlines that actor Anthony Johnson, who died 5months ago, perished due to chronic ethanol use i.e. alcoholism. And he is just one of many in the last several years.

3. Culture: While there are certainly plenty of blacks who happen to be gay and are unashamed, they are still in the minority within the community. Despite what you read and hear, many blacks still carry a heap of homophobia with them either because of so-called religion or their misguided belief that homosexual men are somehow 'less than' their hetero counterparts. This is another reason why older black men tend to seem less omnipresent in porn in their mature years. They have families and they don't want the stigmatization or ostricization that is associated with gay men in the black community.

4. Studio ownership: Many of the studios, production companies and other porn outlets are owned by older white men. They often have a very narrow view of black men and it certainly isn't that of a mature, intelligent, desirable creature. Many of them think black men are just beasts of sex and best viewed when young and possessing a BBC. A middle aged black man may as well be a gelded horse. This is not just fodder or limited to studios. The infantilzation of black men is a real and persistent thing.


I'm getting off on a tangent but I just wanted to add a few more ripples to this pond of discussion. I really am enjoying the dialog and I hope we can be respectful of one another.

Thank you. I appreciate your input. Very well thought out and makes perfect sense.

 

[BuckyD]

But that answers your question as to why it may be less prevalent. There are a majority of white people in the market who may not be as attracted to black people. Therefore less black only porn may be produced. This is all hypothetical of course.

one reason interracial porn may be more prevalent is that there is still a white person in the video. I’m just guessing here but it could be like a gay man watching straight porn just for the man and virtually ignoring the woman.

I see tons of blacks in porn videos available. They are everywhere. I’m sure what you want is out there. Good luck in your search.

Adrian Hart has an awesome body and always looks just great in his porn shoots!

 

[BuckyD]

But that answers your question as to why it may be less prevalent. There are a majority of white people in the market who may not be as attracted to black people. Therefore less black only porn may be produced. This is all hypothetical of course.

one reason interracial porn may be more prevalent is that there is still a white person in the video. I’m just guessing here but it could be like a gay man watching straight porn just for the man and virtually ignoring the woman.

I see tons of blacks in porn videos available. They are everywhere. I’m sure what you want is out there. Good luck in your search.

Here is Adrian with Roman Todd - They look like they really enjoy each other!

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Here is Adrian with Roman Todd - They look like they really enjoy each other!

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He's hot. How tall is he? His physique reminds me of myself when I was in my 20s. I like that he's representing for black bottoms also. It's rare to see a black guy being promoted as a bottom in interracial porn.

 

[BuckyD]

He's hot. How tall is he? His physique reminds me of myself when I was in my 20s. I like that he's representing for black bottoms also. It's rare to see a black guy being promoted as a bottom in interracial porn.

According to the Studio's website he is 5-3 which kind of surprised me when I looked it up because he is so perfectly proportioned that from his photos I just assumed he would have been around 5-8. He must have like a 29 inch waist.

Adrian Hart Gay Porn Videos | Falcon Studios Model

Although they often cast him as a bottom he is actually pretty versatile. He lays a pretty hot fucking on Devin Franco in one of his vids! Since his dick is as good looking and hot as the rest of him it would have been a shame if he only bottomed even though he is a totally epic bottom.

His development is so perfectly symmetrical - he has no weak or negelected body parts and those abs are insane. Great quads too and he's really got that hyper athletic V back going on!

I bet you have to beat guys off with a stick with a body like his! Everybody would want a piece of that.

 

[BuckyD]

Another couple shots of Roman and Adrian . Check out the size of his thighs in that second pic!!

 

[Paxxle487]

Interesting topic… one I’ve thought a lot about actually as a young black guy who heavily prefers “daddies” and regularly has trouble finding consistent daddy content from black men. I feel like there were a lot of good points raised (and some not so good) so I’ll just add my two cents. Dunno why Adrian Hart of all people came up when he’s not a daddy at all but lol I do love seeing black bottoms (vers or not) doing well in mainstream adult media.

In terms of porn, I don’t think it goes much further than black men are typically shoehorned into a certain role. Young, hung, dominant, aggressive tops, and whether or not those traits are subtly or overtly racially charged doesn’t matter because the result is the same. Heavier exclusion and a shorter shelf life for the ones that make it. Not to mention a lot of black performers are paid less so the turnover rate is higher because it’s not seen as a lucrative enough career worth all the negative family/community/secular consequences. There’s also a lot more emphasis on black men being hung in porn. White porn actors can and do literally have any sized dick and play any role and still receive a lot of opportunities because they’re not fighting a default uphill battle.

In terms of the general gay black community, I don’t know why people are acting as if black men suddenly disappear after age 45. “Daddies” are literally just older men. Unless black men are wiped from the face of the planet when they reach a certain age, there should be more visibility. Someone brought up the body hair thing which is not a good point as assuming most of the people are referencing African diaspora, not direct Sub-Saharan Africans, most North and South American black people are distantly African and are admixed with mostly English, Spanish, Irish, Portuguese, or French. Growing body hair is definitely not uncommon among African Americans/Canadians/Latinos. It’s simply not as much of a secondary sex characteristic because androgenic hair is not as closely related to testosterone for other racial groups as it is among primarily Caucasian people.

But all that aside, I don’t know why that would be of major importance considering a large number of daddies in the gay community shave everything, so a potential lack of body hair on a person of color should not be an issue if it’s not even demanded of white men.

I feel like the lack of black daddy visibility largely just comes from two things. One is more inside the general gay/male attracted community and the other one is more black community specific.

1. The simple fact that black men in non-predominantly black spaces tend to have to fit a more specific criteria to be seen as worthy of pedestaling in the gay community than most and youth is part of it. Add to that general opportunity and economic disparities mean status (which gay men have at times adopted from heterosexual gender-social roles) is not perceived as being as high as their white counterparts which can lower desirability.

2. The tendency towards hypermasculinity inside many black communities kinda minimizes our boy/son/twink culture which largely removes the demand for the contrasting mature/daddy/bear archetype as the two usually need each other to coexist. Fem black gays tend to heavily lean on black cis female gender-social roles/patterns and since the characteristics of that don’t typically involve aged partners, fem black gays may not pursue it as much either. These dynamics aren’t as prevalent in mixed spaces, but black gays are obviously less common in mixed gay spaces than black gay spaces, so even the ones who aren’t so affected by it are few and far between.

 

[Paxxle487]

TL;DR: The answer to this has a lot of different factors, especially depending upon whether it’s in black spaces or mixed spaces, porn or not. Also Adrian Hart is very hot and a great bottom, but he is so not a daddy so I don’t get why he’s here lol.

 

[Anton565]

Never understood the appeal of the whole thug fetish thing when it comes to black porn. By far the best looking black males look nothing like your stereotypical thug. The white equivalent would be skin head porn which is a pretty niche taste.

One thing that is often overlooked in any discussion about black porn, but which probably goes some way to explaining its popularity is that it has great photogenic potential. White semen just dazzles on dark skin and of course the contrasting skin tones of naked bodies ranging from Irish Ivory through Scandinavian golden, to Latin ochre all the way to equatorial African deepest ebony is just visually amazing. Anybody who has spent any time on the beach at Ipanema knows that the widest possible variety of skin colors is a feast for the eyes. The world would be far less sexually appealing if we all had the same skin color no matter which color it was.

Not the main point of the discussion, but I've actually been lucky enough to go to Ipanema and have seen for myself this is true.

 

[Ahahhahaha]

I decided to interrogate a subject that a friend presented to me in discussion. The lack of representation for black "daddies" in porn and on adult content websites. Where are they? Why don't they exist the way white and non-black "daddies" exist? If you aren't familiar with the term, I'll try to put it into context so that we can all have a clear understanding of the "daddy" figure as it relates to the dating world and porn. In straight porn it's usually an older man who engages sexually with a much younger female. In the gay community the "daddy" figure is pretty much the same. It is also considered a tribe in which men can identify with on dating apps. It's a way to make things simpler in finding a partner. A man that identifies as a "daddy" is letting potential suitors know that he is a mature man with plenty of life experience and "sexperience" as my friend would say. Him labelling himself as a "daddy" might also be an indication that he is seeking a younger partner. In the gay community there are multiple tribes that exist for men to identify under, some of them are twink, jock, otter, cleancut, corporate, cub, bear, pig, muscle daddy, fem, masc, etc. The list literally can go on and on depending on which dating apps you are using.

My friend is of the age where he would be considered a "daddy." He is a handsome older black man nearing the age of 60. He's in great shape and he rocks a head full of salt and pepper hair and a full beard and mustache. These are some of the attributes that you will find in daddy figures on porn sites. I'm nearly 20 years younger than my friend so I had no clue about this particular tribe. I did know, however, that it was a tribe and popular trope in mainstream porn. I desired to know more about the "daddy" figure so my friend enlightened me further. My friend's name is Joe. He and I were talking about the harm in labels like "BBC" and the racial fetishism that black men experience and how it seems to be acceptable thanks to porn. He and I pretty much agree in the fact that we both despise it. We somehow started venturing into other subjects such as the lack of representation of black twinks and black daddies in porn. Joe said if we were to believe everything showcased in porn, one would be lead to believe that black men were all of a certain age, certain penis size, hyper-masculine, hyper-sexual, and aggressive. He also joked that we would believe that black people don't engage sexually with other black people considering the only time black people are showcased is in interracial porn. I knew exactly what Joe was talking about but I wanted him to go into detail a little more about that. He said that porn was created for the consumption of "white people" so it's what they like that is produced and presented to the public. When he was saying "white people" I believe he was including any group that is not black. The only time porn is labelled interracial is when it includes a black person. When an Asian woman is having sex with a white man it's not called interracial. When a Latin woman is having sex with an Asian man it isn't labeled as interracial. I hope this part is clear. Joe feels that black bodies and especially those of black men, are commodified in porn. Black men are like a highly sought after accessory because it is known that interracial porn is popular primarily in the United States where porn is consumed heavily. Joe then opened up more about his views on being a "daddy" but not seeing the representation of black men in such positions on porn sites on parity as "white" men. He recognizes that there is some prestige in being considered a "daddy." Initially when guys would call him "daddy," he was offended by it until he realized it was meant as a compliment. A "daddy" is a prestigious label in the gay community because it implies many great attributes. Aside from physical attributes, it is the other unseen attributes that make it such a prestigious label. One would automatically think that if you are a "daddy" you have tons of wisdom, you are masculine, you are a take charge kind of person, you are established, and the cherry on top is that you come with years of sexual experience under your belt (aka sexperience). Joe asked the question, "Why No Black Daddies?" It's a valid question. You don't see them often in straight or gay porn and they are not represented on sites unless you do a strategic search by coupling words that would signify a black person such as "ebony."

The rugged alpha male who is dominant and takes what he wants are tropes that only seem to privilege white men. Those same qualities are conversely feared and reviled in black men outside of the bedroom. Joe says that it feels like black men are not viewed as desirable past the age of 50 with a few exceptions. Those exceptions are black men that fit the dreaded "BBC" stereotypes. Also black men that are super buff or have some European physical features are the exception. Joe admitted to me that younger men have referred to him as daddy on apps due to his tough and dominating appearance thanks to the beard and mustache. The beard and mustache is a mixed blessing because while it gives him a rugged look that is desired by many, it's an attribute that may cause non-black people to fear him. He admitted that it has been the reason he's been racially profiled while in shopping centers by store merchants and mall security.

Joe told me that being a black top was a double edged sword because he's seen as desirable by guys of other races and nationalities but those same guys were frightened by him as if he were going to rape them. He said they are never affectionate and they never care to see his humanity by getting to know him on a deeper level after they've gotten what they wanted from him sexually. He feels like he only existed to perform a function. He feels that many non-black bottoms come loaded with scripted fantasies and expectations. In a sense he feels that he is expected to perform and there's no fun in that. The performative aspect is another truth that we as black men sometimes feel when we navigate the dating world when it comes to engaging with people of other races. If there is a fetish under the surface it creeps into the bedroom when a black man is expected to fulfill a fantasy that one might have from seeing black men perform in porn. Black men are expected to literally "perform" for other people's sexual pleasure. There really isn't much give and take. I expect that I will get some pushback from saying this but I welcome it because it's a discussion that needs to be had.

Next time you go on a porn site or a dating app where images are being promoted start to question why you don't see black twinks or black daddies showcased. If they are showcased they are usually showcased coupled with someone white or of another race but never black-on-black. The proliferation of interracial porn is prevalent in both the gay and straight world because that is what "white" people want to see. Are we not in an age where questioning the lack of representation is a thing? How would other groups feel if they didn't see themselves represented or they didn't see themselves represented in the numerous ways in which other groups are represented? Chime in and lets have a discussion

I think is difficult to find daddies in general but find black daddies that are also porn models is more difficult because black people is only 11% of the us , there is more latin people than black ppl.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

I think is difficult to find daddies in general but find black daddies that are also porn models is more difficult because black people is only 11% of the us , there is more latin people than black ppl.

There are more Latin people but there are even less Latin Daddies in porn (in comparison to black daddies). I don't think that is the issue because black me are well represented in porn but it's only when they fit the problematic stereotypical tropes of being the "thug" or the rough rugged "BBC." So I ask where are the positive representations such as black daddies?

 

[WadWorshipper]

Fascinating and well-written post, OP. I find that I agree with all of the points that you make, including ones I'd never considered before. It all rings true, sadly.

I'm a white daddy, and I love playing with young twink bottoms, college-aged. Since it's hard to find these directly, even on the apps, I gave up doing that, and setting up profiles making it obvious what my target audience was. I was happily surprised at how many blacks hit me up. There's definitely an appetite there for daddy-tops. I wish I would have thought to ask them if they'd prefer a black daddy if they'd have had the choice, now that you bring it up. But I had wonderful fun with them, and I also seemed to have the deepest connection with them for some reason. The only boys I remained friends with after the fun were all black! No idea why. I've enjoyed nearly all my bottoms, and don't really care about their ethnicity. But now I'm sad if those boys I had fun with were only settling for a white guy because they couldn't find older black men. That's really unfortunate, if true.

 

[Ahahhahaha]

Not the main point of the discussion, but I've actually been lucky enough to go to Ipanema and have seen for myself this is true.

Skinhead is not the same haha the equivalent of that could be black panthers both are 70's 90's trends.

thugs exist because they're the "sexy bad guys full of testosterone" that they always are kinda trade (many young people had that experience with people like that)

People that watch that categorie in porn are young people (the same with Twink categories in porn, is people that watch people their own age) I always thought it was creepy people that watched those things but I meet people in analytics once and learned that and I'm so relieved bc I always get a weird vibe about those categories,but is not is just people that are just starting their sex life.

There are more Latin people but there are even less Latin Daddies in porn (in comparison to black daddies). I don't think that is the issue because black me are well represented in porn but it's only when they fit the problematic stereotypical tropes of being the "thug" or the rough rugged "BBC." So I ask where are the positive representations such as black daddies?

Thug and BBC is not problematic at all... Is a representation of erotic things people find interesting.

is your point of view ? that is encapsulated in a political point of view that the finality of that political views is persuasive in trying to see one thing it makes you think straight and is very manipulative (this issues have most than 5 point of views and that political point only makes you see 1... So is very misinterpreted)

Let's remember there is 16 different types of common personalities says psychology, so pointing out just one point of view like the political point you was saying that comes from the 2000's it's very twisted that we still speak about that, and very bad politics is using it to persuade political preferences


if we see real life, it's common to know the black dad that left family because he went to buy milk, rather than "good black father figure"( that obviously exist but is not common experience,if you're black you're most likely to see the hot thug rather than black family man) because parenting is done bad in most cultures (for example euphoria series highlights this things)

What is important to you to learn is that porn in general it's not good for society so asking for good representation in something that is negative it's very twisted of those political parties that try to use persuasion to get our votes or decide left or right, all that point of view you're repeating that comes from the 2000's is very mind controller all that left&right shit it's mind controlling

If you want to feel relieved it's better for society that porn doesn't represent every one of us...(it's better to stay in fantasy) if media and politics start representing us that would be very creepy and controlling

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Thug and BBC is not problematic at all... Is a representation of erotic things people find interesting.

Who finds this kind of representation interesting though?

What is important to you to learn is that porn in general it's not good for society so asking for good representation in something that is negative it's very twisted of those political parties that try to use persuasion to get our votes or decide left or right, all that point of view you're repeating that comes from the 2000's is very mind controller all that left&right shit it's mind controlling

I'm not under the delusion that porn is good for society but I'm not going to dismiss the fact that porn is very influential on how people view others and sometimes people's only observance of black people may be thru television or porn so as a black man I have issue with the depictions of black men. I'm assuming you are not black because everything you are saying is as if you are someone of another race who sees no issue with the negative depictions because you find them slightly erotic.

If you want to feel relieved it's better for society that porn doesn't represent every one of us...(it's better to stay in fantasy) if media and politics start representing us that would be very creepy and controlling

You are correct in that porn does not represent every one of us. However, porn does cherry pick certain groups to represent and one of those groups just so happen to be black men which I am one of them. If I saw an equal amount of negative depictions of lets say white men or Latino men etc then you'd have an argument. Someone brought up the skinhead porn which is a very small niche that would be considered a negative depiction of white men but it pales in comparison to the negative depictions that are bestowed upon black men. To bring this back full circle there needs to be more positive depictions of black men and black daddies do exist so they need to be showcased.

 

[Paxxle487]

There are more Latin people but there are even less Latin Daddies in porn (in comparison to black daddies). I don't think that is the issue because black me are well represented in porn but it's only when they fit the problematic stereotypical tropes of being the "thug" or the rough rugged "BBC." So I ask where are the positive representations such as black daddies?

Are there really less Latin daddies in porn? I can’t say I’ve counted, but I feel like that’s not true especially since Latinos come in multiple races and it’s not always apparent. Drew Sebastian and Dominic Pacifico for example, are Latino but it’s not really broadcasted so much because they don’t quite look traditionally “Latin” so they’re more marketed as regular white guys even though they’re both multiracial.

As far as positive representation for black daddies in porn, the only one that really comes to mind currently is Aaron Trainer. I’d say Cutler X and Max Konnor, but they’re…well…idk if I can say it on this site so let’s just say they belong to the procyonid family…..

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Are there really less Latin daddies in porn? I can’t say I’ve counted, but I feel like that’s not true especially since Latinos come in multiple races and it’s not always apparent. Drew Sebastian and Dominic Pacifico for example, are Latino but it’s not really broadcasted so much because they don’t quite look traditionally “Latin” so they’re more marketed as regular white guys even though they’re both multiracial.

You are correct. It's really hard to say. If they are indeed men with Latin roots they've probably made a decision for their career to not broadcast themselves as Latino so that they are not typecast. Then again I don't think there are many specific racial tropes that would pigeon hold Latino men, should they decide to identify as Latin. Black men on the other hand tend to get typecast into those negative tropes that I spoke of previously.

 

[Paxxle487]

You are correct. It's really hard to say. If they are indeed men with Latin roots they've probably made a decision for their career to not broadcast themselves as Latino so that they are not typecast. Then again I don't think there are many specific racial tropes that would pigeon hold Latino men, should they decide to identify as Latin. Black men on the other hand tend to get typecast into those negative tropes that I spoke of previously.

They seem pretty open about being Latino personally. I just don’t see them being marketed that way by studios they work with. Interesting how studios don’t emphasize broadcasting white passing Latinos as Latinos even though they’re quick to label white passing black/white biracials as black... As far as racial tropes go, I don’t recall any for Dominic, but I remember one studio had Drew essentially playing a gardener which made me cringe big time knowing what I know.

For Latin guys, the whitest looking ones tend to mostly escape the tropes altogether, the more Mediterranean-mestizo looking ones usually get the “spicy”, “Latin lover” shit, and the brown and black Latinos get saddled with the thug/dehumanizing tropes. Basically black men get the shortest end of the stick no matter what our ethnicity is.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Someone recommended "Burn My Shadow: A Selective Memory of an X-Rated Life" by former adult porn star, Tyler Knight. If there are any avid readers here then I'd also recommend it. I've just started reading it and I'm already hooked. It's the only book that I've come across that comes from a black porn stars pov and what they experienced in the industry.

 

[KwameYoungkin]

give me Bo Stallion or Mitch Rabidia anyday over what they are giving us now