Where is the representation for black "Daddies" in porn etc?

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3. Culture: While there are certainly plenty of blacks who happen to be gay and are unashamed, they are still in the minority within the community. Despite what you read and hear, many blacks still carry a heap of homophobia with them either because of so-called religion or their misguided belief that homosexual men are somehow 'less than' their hetero counterparts. This is another reason why older black men tend to seem less omnipresent in porn in their mature years. They have families and they don't want the stigmatization or ostricization that is associated with gay men in the black community.
The data is from 2014 but the difference between Black and the general population in the US is nearly non-existant. https://www.pewforum.org/religious-...thnic-composition/among/christians/christian/

Now, the acceptance is at 72 percent in the USA, so the data changed a lot.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/

I dont think that this has to do with Black culture, because it does not exist the way people think it exist, it is more the class. Poor people are more homophobic and more fundamentalistically religious, because they lack education.

Spirituality is not bad but there are things wrong in those religious books that caused a lot of suffering in the world and still cause suffering.

Americans are more tolerant than the rest of the world in general, because of the American culture and this has nothing to do with race.
 
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The data is from 2014 but the difference between Black and the general population in the US is nearly non-existant. https://www.pewforum.org/religious-...thnic-composition/among/christians/christian/

Now, the acceptance is at 72 percent in the USA, so the data changed a lot.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/

I dont think that this has to do with Black culture, because it does not exist the way people think it exist, it is more the class. Poor people are more homophobic and more fundamentalistically religious, because they lack education.

Spirituality is not bad but there are things wrong in those religious books that caused a lot of suffering in the world and still cause suffering.

Americans are more tolerant than the rest of the world in general, because of the American culture and this has nothing to do with race.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and cogent perspective(with data, I love it)

While I very much accept your viewpoints as valid, they are just that. Your views and I would imagine based on your experiences - same as mine.

However, statistics can be made to say almost anything. I speak from my own experiences, both personally/familial and more broadly with those I am friends and colleagues with.

While there may be a more pronounced homophobia that trends along socioeconomic status, my personal experience has found that bias exists far beyond class. Not to sound like some elitist prick, but I don’t really travail in poorer circles and the opinions I hear from many are far less progressive than those you espoused. And I am talking about people who would otherwise describe themselves as liberal.

Anyways, thanks again for your commentary.
 

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I've noticed that stats that are often made up are used as a form of gaslighting on these threads and especially when it comes to topics like this that are based on race. There are many variables that come into play that can often make those stats useless for the sake of an argument. I see that people love to make the argument that black people only account for 12% of the U.S. population with black men accounting for even less of that percentage. I find a contradiction in that argument because black men are represented probably more than they should be considering the small percentage. I think the big issue for me is how black men are represented and in which subcategories they are represented. Stats that you find online should be taken with a grain of salt because if it's online then it's validity is already questionable.
 

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Although the term "Daddies" kind of creeps me out in the context of sexual attraction I can certainly get behind the idea of being turned on by mature masculine males. Simeon Panda is my idea of a HOT Black "Daddy"

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Simeon Panda is a handsome man with a great physique but he's not what I would consider a daddy. I've been noticing that a lot of the images that people are posting are of men that are much to young to be considered a daddy figure. I also see that the standard for a black man still fits into a certain body type which is not the same for white daddy figures.
 

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I also see that the standard for a black man still fits into a certain body type which is not the same for white daddy figures.
Bro, you clearly have an obsession with White men, and want Black men to be like White men so badly. You have a White superiority complex. You see gay White men as the standard, and want gay Black men to conform to those standards. That’s crazy.
 

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Bro, you clearly have an obsession with White men, and want Black men to be like White men so badly. You have a White superiority complex. You see gay White men as the standard, and want gay Black men to conform to those standards. That’s crazy.
You are wrong. Miss me with your assumptions. You are completely wrong on a lot of things but you think you are a scholar and you get proven wrong time and time again. Nothing against men of other races but I happen to be attracted to black men considering those are features that are familiar to me.
 

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Bro, you clearly have an obsession with White men, and want Black men to be like White men so badly. You have a White superiority complex. You see gay White men as the standard, and want gay Black men to conform to those standards. That’s crazy.
?????? Dude literally just pointed out a double standard black men are unfairly held to, and we’ve seen it multiple times in this thread alone. White men don’t *own* any age, body types, or archetypes. What is wrong with you?
 

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?????? Dude literally just pointed out a double standard black men are unfairly held to, and we’ve seen it multiple times in this thread alone. White men don’t *own* any age, body types, or archetypes. What is wrong with you?
When tf did I make this claim? And wtf you are talking about?

Gay men IN GENERAL are held to certain body standards. Are you not aware of body shaming in the gay community??
 

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When tf did I make this claim? And wtf you are talking about?

Gay men IN GENERAL are held to certain body standards. Are you not aware of body shaming in the gay community??
Very well aware of it thank you. Asking wtf I’m talking about is kind of a crazy question considering this exchange started because you responded to a post calling out a double standard BLACK men are held to by claiming the person had a white superiority complex.
 

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Very well aware of it thank you. Asking wtf I’m talking about is kind of a crazy question considering this exchange started because you responded to a post calling out a double standard BLACK men are held to by claiming the person had a white superiority complex.
Who created these standards that Black men are held to?

And why tf should Black men care what White men think unless those same Black men are chasing after those White men?
 

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Cutler X is the example of what a “Black Daddy” is. But there needs to be a better representation.

TheRealDaddyKeith was someone I was hoping would blow up, but he’s been quiet lately. Aron Ridge would be a perfect comeback, but he has to be willing to do bareback full time. He has only did one bareback video to date.
 
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Although the term "Daddies" kind of creeps me out in the context of sexual attraction I can certainly get behind the idea of being turned on by mature masculine males. Simeon Panda is my idea of a HOT Black "Daddy"

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Simeon looks hot but I would never call him a daddy, much too young. For me a daddy is beyond 50, hairy body, beard, and quite a package in his pants. That's what I call daddy- and surely I am not the only one in that context. But never mind, of course, Simeon is a stud!
 

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Bro, you clearly have an obsession with White men, and want Black men to be like White men so badly. You have a White superiority complex. You see gay White men as the standard, and want gay Black men to conform to those standards. That’s crazy.
While some may misinterpret your point, it is absolutely right on. I have lived in Italy now for nine years. It is very difficult to not apply your upbringing, culture, norms and standards to others. For example, Italians (especially Rome and Naples) drive in a manner that would have every cop in the US handing out reckless driving fines 10 at a time. I find their driving terribly offensive, following way too close, passing with only 2 inches between mirrors, parking in the middle of the street, blocking entrances for their convenience while running in a store with multiple parking available 10 steps further away. But I cannot and may not assign Italian driving my American driving standard. Even if it can cause more accidents, puts me and them at risk, and otherwise. The fact remains that it is THEIR prerogative as a group, and mine has nothing to do with it. I can even try to champion them by complimenting those within the larger group that drive to my standard, but those are seen as morons here by the general driving population. Being attracted to another culture and promoting "equality" can be an assigned and unnecessary "defense" that actually can serve to create a feeling of separation where otherwise there might be none at all. I see a whole lot of attempt by Italian society to comply to American culture beauty standards. A very large percentage of beautiful Italian women bleach their hair blonde, and all want to be Barbie. The natural Italian heritage woman (and men, which are never under the same social pressure to conform to an outside standard) are absolutely beautiful. Of course, not all would I find attractive. Just as within every race I find some attractive and some not. Does this imply I'm racist in the event I'm not attracted and they're "ethnic"? Laughable.
 
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While I very much accept your viewpoints as valid, they are just that. Your views and I would imagine based on your experiences - same as mine.
I do not live in the USA, so I have no experiences. I just wondered why the data is different.

The Black, that I know, have a refugee background. They believe all kind of things.

I've noticed that stats that are often made up are used as a form of gaslighting on these threads and especially when it comes to topics like this that are based on race. There are many variables that come into play that can often make those stats useless for the sake of an argument. I see that people love to make the argument that black people only account for 12% of the U.S. population with black men accounting for even less of that percentage. I find a contradiction in that argument because black men are represented probably more than they should be considering the small percentage. I think the big issue for me is how black men are represented and in which subcategories they are represented. Stats that you find online should be taken with a grain of salt because if it's online then it's validity is already questionable.

If they are exactly represented, they are still less. Should that not be 50% Black to 50% White representation in porn to counteract biases?

I would be interested what happens if somebody is exclusely exposed to Black or White or Asian porn.

I think, the discussions on these topics will continue forever, if there are no good studies.

I think a lot of gay men would glady be test subject. The problem is that sounds a little bit like gay-conversion therapy (only with race). But we would have data what representation means.


Bro, you clearly have an obsession with White men, and want Black men to be like White men so badly. You have a White superiority complex. You see gay White men as the standard, and want gay Black men to conform to those standards. That’s crazy.
Oh I feel weird.
I dont see very much difference between Black and White men, except the skin color but the skin color does not matter to me because I have no fetish on skin color.

How can you have a White superiority complex if they all (Black and White) look nearly the same (they all look human)?
 
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Oh I feel weird.
I dont see very much difference between Black and White men, except the skin color but the skin color does not matter to me because I have no fetish on skin color.

How can you have a White superiority complex if they all (Black and White) look nearly the same (they all look human)?
This has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with culture!

Your color blind approach is disrespectful to Black culture.
 

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While some may misinterpret your point, it is absolutely right on. I have lived in Italy now for nine years. It is very difficult to not apply your upbringing, culture, norms and standards to others. For example, Italians (especially Rome and Naples) drive in a manner that would have every cop in the US handing out reckless driving fines 10 at a time. I find their driving terribly offensive, following way too close, passing with only 2 inches between mirrors, parking in the middle of the street, blocking entrances for their convenience while running in a store with multiple parking available 10 steps further away. But I cannot and may not assign Italian driving my American driving standard. Even if it can cause more accidents, puts me and them at risk, and otherwise. The fact remains that it is THEIR prerogative as a group, and mine has nothing to do with it. I can even try to champion them by complimenting those within the larger group that drive to my standard, but those are seen as morons here by the general driving population. Being attracted to another culture and promoting "equality" can be an assigned and unnecessary "defense" that actually can serve to create a feeling of separation where otherwise there might be none at all. I see a whole lot of attempt by Italian society to comply to American culture beauty standards. A very large percentage of beautiful Italian women bleach their hair blonde, and all want to be Barbie. The natural Italian heritage woman (and men, which are never under the same social pressure to conform to an outside standard) are absolutely beautiful. Of course, not all would I find attractive. Just as within every race I find some attractive and some not. Does this imply I'm racist in the event I'm not attracted and they're "ethnic"? Laughable.
It would make sense if you lived in an area that multi-cultural. Living in America is completely different because it is a melting pot of multiple cultures so someone that is from America would not necessarily see it the way someone in Europe would. That guy that you are agreeing with obviously associates body types by race. Body types can not be attributed to only one race (standards of beauty can be however) but of course with media it can be presented in such a manner that all black men fit a certain body type when they don't. It is obvious that black men share some of the same body types of their white counterparts do but this is not what is presented in the porn industry. Me wanting to see diversity in the types of black men that are presented is not me wanting black men to fit a white standard it is me basically saying black men are more than this one type that is often presented. Black men are a diverse group of people just like everyone else so showcase them accordingly. Not to mention most American born black men are multiracial and share genes that a lot of the same genes that white men have. To say I have an obsession with white men is actually ridiculous and actually made me laugh because all one has to do is check out my content and they would see how crazy that statement is. Your analogy about Italian women bleaching their hair doesn't resonate with me because I still see Italian women as white women. My critique is on black depictions that are presented from a white gaze to mostly white audiences for whom that media is mainly targeted.
 

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It would make sense if you lived in an area that multi-cultural. Living in America is completely different because it is a melting pot of multiple cultures so someone that is from America would not necessarily see it the way someone in Europe would. That guy that you are agreeing with obviously associates body types by race. Body types can not be attributed to only one race (standards of beauty can be however) but of course with media it can be presented in such a manner that all black men fit a certain body type when they don't. It is obvious that black men share some of the same body types of their white counterparts do but this is not what is presented in the porn industry. Me wanting to see diversity in the types of black men that are presented is not me wanting black men to fit a white standard it is me basically saying black men are more than this one type that is often presented. Black men are a diverse group of people just like everyone else so showcase them accordingly. Not to mention most American born black men are multiracial and share genes that a lot of the same genes that white men have. To say I have an obsession with white men is actually ridiculous and actually made me laugh because all one has to do is check out my content and they would see how crazy that statement is. Your analogy about Italian women bleaching their hair doesn't resonate with me because I still see Italian women as white women. My critique is on black depictions that are presented from a white gaze to mostly white audiences for whom that media is mainly targeted.
You seek argument where there is none, and make many assumptions. I'm American, born in Denver and raised all over the country. I've been in Italy nine years, and it's anything but monocultural. There are many from every part of now decentralized Russia, the Balkans, Greece, Northern Africa, Germany, France, every part of America, South America and Asia. In fact, America is much more milquetoast uniform in culture than Italy. Here you hear every language spoken daily, and while predominantly Italian, there are infinite dialects of Italian, as Italy was unified by Garibaldi in the late 1800's and prior every zone had its own language. Italian women white? You clearly have not known many Italian women. Italians were the first Latins. America is unique in its "superior" knowledge and ego in the world. Perhaps it would help to realize that American laws, language, customs, legal system and entire culture were born in Rome, along with the entire Western civilization, as Rome exported itself heavily when the empire comprised the greatest parts of Europe, Asia and Northern Africa. On the contrary, "black culture" in America is a microcosm of the widely varied cultural foundations found in pure form here, as blacks here migrate directly from the mother country. Each country in Africa has its own distinct culture, and I see remnants of those in American black culture (no one in America with an open mind lives in isolation). I celebrated many events with black friends, family, and lived in a heavily black neighborhood where I was the only white for years before coming to Italy, making some fantastic lifelong friends there in the process. In the end, one can never assign a label to anyone based on skin pigmentation... good or bad. This is a 21st Century American phantom truth that has no basis in history nor is it a welcome development.
 
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You seek argument where there is none, and make many assumptions. I'm American, born in Denver and raised all over the country. I've been in Italy nine years, and it's anything but monocultural. There are many from every part of now decentralized Russia, the Balkans, Greece, Northern Africa, Germany, France, every part of America, South America and Asia. In fact, America is much more milquetoast uniform in culture than Italy. Here you hear every language spoken daily, and while predominantly Italian, there are infinite dialects of Italian, as Italy was unified by Garibaldi in the late 1800's and prior every zone had its own language. Italian women white? You clearly have not known many Italian women. Italians were the first Latins. America is unique in its "superior" knowledge and ego in the world. Perhaps it would help to realize that American laws, language, customs, legal system and entire culture were born in Rome, along with the entire Western civilization, as Rome exported itself heavily when the empire comprised the greatest parts of Europe, Asia and Northern Africa. On the contrary, "black culture" in America is a microcosm of the widely varied cultural foundations found in pure form here, as blacks here migrate directly from the mother country. Each country in Africa has its own distinct culture, and I see remnants of those in American black culture (no one in America with an open mind lives in isolation). I celebrated many events with black friends, family, and lived in a heavily black neighborhood where I was the only white for years before coming to Italy, making some fantastic lifelong friends there in the process. In the end, one can never assign a label to anyone based on skin pigmentation... good or bad. This is a 21st Century American phantom truth that has no basis in history nor is it a welcome development.
I'm not seeking an argument. You basically confirmed that your point of view is not that of a black persons. You are analyzing all of this from a white person's pov by distinguishing Italian women as something other than white. I can assure you that black people don't make a distinction. Italian people are white people to us just as anybody from Europe is white. I'm unclear as to what you are attempting to get at by telling me your travels and how you've spent a brief moment with a few black people that consider you a friend. That does nothing to contribute to the main point that was being made.