Genuine discussion = fine
Trolling and pointless obviously inflammatory stuff = not fine.
This thread mostly falls into the second category. The mods are keeping a close eye on the politics forum and pending some on going discussions actions will start to be implemented in due course.
Despite the fact that the word 'fucking' appears twice, there is nothing in the OP that isn't true. Since the message condemns certain members of the current administration, I suspect that is why you and others categorize it as 'trolling' and 'inflammatory' but the fact remains that the information presented is accurate.
In the 4 years that I have been a member of LPSG, it still baffles me that the very people that plead and protest about the constitution and due process, etc., are the same people that attempt to squelch free speech - particularly when it doesn't align perfectly with their liberal ideology.
Of course, i don't expect anything to change - but it is the truth. The claims and wails of 'trolling' ricochet about this forum from the same 3 or 4 suspects who, coincidently, are diehard liberals. And true to form, those who are ultimately banned are by and large, not liberal.
Actually SI, I read it as flame boy taking various members to task within this thread, hence the statements: 'Genuine discussion= fine' and ...pointless ...obvious inflamatory...= not fine' Some things which were not responding to the OP and clearly derailing a topic are the following:
1)
Whatdoes your pastor think of the following, fk?
Some of my classic cumshots
11 shot 8 foot cumshot
First person view
Raining down on you
A 'jackson pollock'
...
2)
Yet another textbook example of the wingnuts on this board trolling the forum. No article to discuss, no facts presented, just a bunch of assholery masquerading as legitimate discussion.
Are you drunk or are you actually this ignorant?
3)
Probably he would be jealous.
(as response to 1) by OtterJoq)
4)
the queen of face is a jumble with run on sentences without point.
The above comments were not adding to discussiom, they aimed only to paint the OP in an ugly manner, as opposed to either: A) ignoring his post or B) responding directly to his statements with a view and actual contributory thoughts, such as found here:
The other problem that SB 1070 supporters don't want to deal with or address is the reality that proper legalization of would-be or want-to-be American citizens is incredibly difficult to do. My stepfather married my mother and moved to the United States a few years ago, and we spent much of the time since he's been here to get him legal. The United States Citizenship and Immigration Service is a bureaucratic nightmare. We tried following the directions online (and I'm a pretty bright guy) and we couldn't get it.
You need this form, this form, and this new form that just came out. Oh? You're from here? You need this form. Don't fill out this one. Or that one. Send it to this distribution center nearest your address except, no, they don't do that form; you have to send it here. No, there. No, THERE, like I told you the first time.
We just scraped up enough money to get an immigration lawyer to do it. It took just two forms, a signature, and BAM! it was done. I could only imagine how much more complicated that process would be for (1) non-English speaking persons who (2) come here so heavily dependent on getting correct, accurate information that it would take next to nothing to swindle these folks.
We'd rather build the danged fence, though.
Not that faceking ever deserves fuller explanation (but I'll give it anyway): I don't think there's anyone out there defending illegal immigration. I just take issue with the incredibly strong connotation between Mexican person (or anyone appearing Mexican) and "they're taking our jobs!" "let's get rid of 'em!" "socialist Mexican scum!" papers please. I also take issue with law enforcement being asked to do a job that they're destined to fail, i.e. determining reasonable suspicion to stop or detain someone who's illegal while failing to acknowledge that we all but put ILLEGAL in bold print under anyone's a bit too brown face. Finally, I take issue that in an effort to blast the federal government for not doing anything about immigration, that Arizona decides a draconian measure was absolutely necessary.
Never mind that we don't complain when illegals and legals of Mexican descent prop up our southwestern economy by the millions. We'd just rather take your money and talk shit.
Shocked at the absence of defense of lawbreaking illegal immigration vis-a-via SB1070.. via throwing out the racism card, human rights, the existing Federal law is bigotry... Obama/Holder never reading the law, yet again jumping to conclusions.... especially from all the fucking New England/New Yorkers/English folk who fucking know little, nor feel any impact thereof.... jus' askin...
faceking, I don't know that most people actually defend illegal immigration. The problems; however are many. The immigration process is lengthy and difficult at times. One needs to have certain eggs in their basket, so to speak. These include an actual aim/goal/direction (education or employment) within The United States of America, often a sponsoring agent/family, a presumed place of residence (school dormitories or other legitimate place (under the West Shore Expressway is not considered legitimate). Once in the U.S.A. there are elements of continued paperwork which often send a person who began their journey legally, into the quagmire of law breaking. A student or work Visa expires and pfft! the person is now here illegally and exiting the country is not as easy as you might think. Once a Visa expires, going to purchase an airline ticket to depart can lead to, arrest- followed by deportation, along with placement on a list (yes, they exist) which states you are not to ever be allowed re-entry into the country (since obviiously, failing to stay up to date on the Visa means you're a dangerous criminal
).
Add to this the lawyers who are nothing more than scheisters- they want and take money and offer you a world, they deliver only temporary extensions (to those who have recently or about to expire doccumentation), and often nothing to an alien who never had obtained proper paperwork. Knowing this in advance (most in immigrant enclaves are advised by others from their native land), many declined trying to go the hoop-jumping method. Many don't even have the finances to do so and the ACLU is not always willing to take on their case (although some kind hearted lawyers will and do so for free).
Consider also the illegal immigrant who got here and wants to be with family- they were denied customary entry due to quota limitations or some other wall of denial (medical- such as deafness, poor eyesight, gaited walk, etc., lack of advanced education, lack of any particular skill which the U.S.A. deems as necessary to the 'furtherment' (yes that is a word in their massive annals of directives and requirements) of the U.S.A. These men and women come in, with a desire to be with family and usually with a genuine desire to contribute to the fabric of the Nation (the U.S.A.). They figure, somewhere down the line they will go to an immigration lawyer (Uncle Q has said it can be done), and become legal then- maybe even a citizen! They are unawares of what is ahead and after a time they forget their dreams of legal status and join the ranks of men and women who live in fear of being deported. Even in their fear, they work jobs, purchase products, contribute.
Additionally, the reasons why many do not object to the influx of undocumented people, is the people are in most cases, helpful to communities- they work hard, are friendly, keep things tidy and aren't partying to the wee hours or out mugging and shooting people- in other words, they are not disruptive. Add to this, employers can give a lower wage without having to file tax and Social Security forms, and in return get employees who arrive at work ON TIME and are always there, as opposed to Ameriican borns who gripe about the wages, threaten and bring costly law suits....
...and before you get outraged, while it is true the illegal won't be paying income tax, they will be paying sales tax, which pours back into the kettle and they won't be collecting Social Security, so they don't drain that pond either, in fact many have fake Social Security cards and therefore add money into the ponds (those who work for companies where the employer does try to do things by the book (filing taxes/unemployment insurance/Social Security and therefore require the hiree to have an SS card or other legal documentation)- see, there are reasons that the undocumented and unconfirmed residents of the U.S.A. are not only not declined, they are widely welcomed as major assets.
