Which is crueler, umbilical cord or foreskin removal?

Discussion in 'The Healthy Penis' started by Northland, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. Northland

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2007
    Messages:
    6,082
    Likes Received:
    4
    In the long history of the earth, umbilical cords have been repeately snipped off and cast asunder. How do we know what life might be like if care was taken to keep it attached?


    Is it fair to slash off an umbilical cord which contains cells, and as we know from the foreskin, cells are filled with sensations. Why are we allowing this terrible action to be perpetrated on millions and millions of defenseless newborns? Shouldn't both practices be stopped?
     
  2. DiscoBoy

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2009
    Messages:
    2,706
    Likes Received:
    3
    Gender:
    Male
    You are absurd.
     
  3. tray22nc

    tray22nc New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2009
    Messages:
    499
    Likes Received:
    5
    Well, these two items are EXTREMELY different. The umbilical cord is a means by which the mother gives nutrition and sustains life for her child. Once it is severed from the mother, eventually it would just turn black and fall off (as is what happens to the small amount left attached to the baby after it has been cut at birth). The foreskin, however, is actually part of an organ (the skin) that will not turn black and fall off (lets hope!!) after birth. There really is no medically backed evidence that suggests circumcision is needed. There are always cases that will necessitate a circumcision, but simply for cosmetic purposes, it is not needed.
     
  4. tray22nc

    tray22nc New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2009
    Messages:
    499
    Likes Received:
    5
    I wasn't gonna say it first! haha
     
  5. D_Gunther Snotpole

    D_Gunther Snotpole Account Disabled

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2005
    Messages:
    14,610
    Likes Received:
    5
    Northland, I wish to pay tribute to you.
    Only a mighty soul could be shaken by such a great purpose.
     
  6. scottredleter

    scottredleter New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2009
    Messages:
    748
    Albums:
    2
    Likes Received:
    3
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    San Diego
    It would eventually shrivel up and fall off on its own. I guess it's an automatic outy, but it is no way anything remotely similar to circumcision.
     
  7. gymfresh

    Verified Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,659
    Albums:
    3
    Likes Received:
    16
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Rodinia
    Verified:
    Photo
    The umbilical cord begins to die off as soon as the placenta end of it exits the mother.

    Directly after birth, the blood vessels of the umbilical cord begin to collapse and close. As there are no nerve endings in the umbilical cord, its severance is not felt by the baby. The cord can be clamped and cut immediately after birth, or after it the blood vessels have shut down and there is no more pulsing (roughly 20 minutes).

    In any event, there are no cases of an umbilical cord remaining attached to the baby for more than 3 days after birth, even if it's just left alone and never severed. It is not part of the baby. It is an oxygenated nutrient tube that functions only in utero.

    The foreskin, in contrast, is an integral part of the penis and clitoris.
     
  8. Over-reaching

    Over-reaching Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2008
    Messages:
    961
    Likes Received:
    82
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    London
    Huh? The function of the umbilical cord is over once the baby is born. It will die and fall off anyway. Many animals actually chew it to sever it.

    The foreskin continues to be living tissue and is part of the penis.

    I'm not being pro- or anti-circumcision here (that is a different matter), but to liken circumcision to the clamping and removal of the umbilical cord is just silly, imho.
     
  9. Guardian100

    Guardian100 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2007
    Messages:
    146
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Cheshire. UK

    Insert not sure if srs joker jpeg here.
     
  10. jonnyjinx

    Verified Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2007
    Messages:
    241
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    48
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hartlepool
    Verified:
    Photo

    Just imagine having your umbilical cord AND placenta hanging from your gut for the rest of your life! :eek: lol
     
  11. JTalbain

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2005
    Messages:
    1,812
    Likes Received:
    5
    :lmao:Seriously? Wow....
    I suppose the obvious thing to add is sincethe cord connects two people, and hence would affect (read: impair) both of their lives, it is quite reasonable to sever it.

    Another thing to point out is that the umbilical cord would be hanging out of her vagina for the rest of her life. As well as permanently attaching her child to her crotch for the rest of his. Societies as we know them would rapidly become unable to function because the children would be unable to detach themselves from their mothers, and so no one could do anything by themselves. Work, home, and social life would all collapse into disorder.

    Finally, having a child would pretty much preclude having sex ever again, due to the lack of privacy and the presence of the umbilical cord interfering with intercourse. Abortions would skyrocket where available, due to the increased freedom available in all areas to women with no children. This, coupled with the high likelihood of having only one child per couple, would lead to an abysmally low birthrate, incapable of sustaining the human population (2.1 children per couple on average are necessary for this).

    Congratulations. Your suggestion has just obliterated the human race. That's the difference between the umbilical cord and the foreskin. Have a nice day. :smile:
     
  12. Novaboy

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2005
    Messages:
    4,075
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    591
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Canada
    Just when you think you've heard everything........Good lord!
     
  13. eurotop40

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    3,523
    Likes Received:
    121
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Zurich (ZH, CH)
    What a stupid analogy.
     
  14. D_Sparroe Spongecaques

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2010
    Messages:
    3,291
    Likes Received:
    6

    Quite correct however the cord takes longer than 3 days to shrivel and drop off.

    OP is looking for a reaction thats all:rolleyes:
     
  15. Northland

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2007
    Messages:
    6,082
    Likes Received:
    4
    In fairness, the entire thing was meant more as a joke to the people who rant about circumcision being a deadly sin, equal only in the insanity of the pro-circers, who wail that an uncircumcised penis is 'filthy and stinky'.

    It has kept me up nights (well, figuring the wording has (not).
    Canibalism!:eek:

    Thank you, that made me laugh harder than my original post, I appreciate that JT.
     
    #15 Northland, Mar 10, 2010
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2010
  16. helgaleena

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    5,663
    Albums:
    2
    Likes Received:
    3
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Wisconsin USA
    The reason for not circumcising is that there is pain involved. Umbilicals have no nerve endings and neither I nor my child felt anything during its removal from between us.

    Slapping babies to make them breathe went out of fashion, thank goodness.
     
  17. exwhyzee

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    4,578
    Likes Received:
    36
    Gender:
    Male
    I still have my cord. In fact, I am stroking it right now. Oh ya...
     
  18. JTalbain

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2005
    Messages:
    1,812
    Likes Received:
    5
    My pleasure. :biggrin1:
     
  19. B_Nick8

    B_Nick8 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    11,912
    Likes Received:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    New York City, by way of Marblehead, Boston and Ge
    I would have severed it with my own teeth if it meant having to stay attached to my mother, liking her as I do, assuming I'd been born with any and hoping this is a purely rhetorical question.
     
  20. SirConcis

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2007
    Messages:
    1,909
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    30
    Location:
    Montreal, Canada
    Circumcision with plastibel works in the same principle as the clamp on the umbilical cord. It stops any blood flow to the foreksin and it darkens and falls off within a week (about the same time as the clamp on umbilical cord falls off).

    It is however correct to state that left alone, the umbilical cord will fall off while the foreksin won't.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted