Which team are you going to hire to run your country?

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  1. Puntie

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    What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard
    Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the
    bottom of his graduating class?

    What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said
    'I do' to? What if Obama were the candidate who left his
    first wife after she had a

    serious accident and no longer measured up to his standards?

    What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became
    addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally
    through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain
    graduated from Harvard?

    What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5?
    What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

    If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe
    the election numbers would be as close as they are?
    This is what racism
    does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes
    positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative
    qualities in another when there is a color difference.

    You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
    With America facing historic debt, two wars, stumbling
    health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison
    population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc.

    Educational Background:

    Obama:
    Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a
    Specialization in International Relations.
    Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

    Biden:
    University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in
    Political Science. Syracuse University College of Law -
    Juris Doctor (J.D.)

    vs.

    McCain:
    United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

    Palin:
    Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
    North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
    University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
    Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
    University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

    Now, which team are you going to hire ?
     
  2. B_RoysToy

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    I'm just thankful this switch around isn't in reality and only 'play like'. I got over my color prejudice in October of 1958, so it never occured to me while reading your post that you hadn't touched race. If all of the ifs you list had actually come-to-pass, these and nothing else would make me change my vote to McCain/Palin, God forbid!
     
  3. MarkLondon

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    Careful, Punty. If there's one thing americans don't like, it's foreigners telling them how to vote!

    According to the (british) news tonight Obama is ahead by 14% in popular voting intention. Though whether that will translate into electoral college voting is another matter, presumeably.
     
  4. Puntie

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    I aint tellin anyone how to vote. I couldnt care less. It makes no difference to us over here. There aint a whole lot of difference between the two canditates anyway. The previous post is an email that I recieved from an American friend and I thought that I would post it up here!!!
     
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    Careful about generalizing, MarkLondon. SOME Americans indeed are that sensitive.
     
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    I'm voting for homer simpson. I think he's as smart as the other two.
     
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    You left a few items out of Obama's resume. For instance, senatorial experience.

    If you bring up Keating 5, why omit Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, Farrakhan? How many years has McCain been married to Cindy? How many years Obama to Michelle? Military service? Key legislation?
     
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    One house, One Car, One Wife, Obama 08
     
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    Yeah, you're right... Obama holds a distinct advantage of being both a U.S. senator and a state Senator from one of our countries largest states in population.

    Are you fucking serious? There is absolutely NO comparison between the Keating Five and the Weather Underground.

    1). McCain was actually a member of the Keating Five.

    2). Barack Obama absolutely was NOT a member of the Weather Underground
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    The Vietnam war was an extremely violent war based on a fabricated incident in the Gulf of Tonkin. It was a war of choice and we dived in head first into a civil war that we had no business participating in. We had no fucking right to invade Vietnam... we also had no fucking right to bomb Laos and Cambodia which were peaceful and agrarian peasant nations.

    We killed fucking THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of civillians in Vietnam. Those were innocent people and they did not deserve to die.


    The counter culture protest movement was primarily against the slaughter in Vietnam. If there was no Vietnam, there would have never been a Weather Underground, it was a righteous reaction to some real bad shit that was going down at the time. MLK, JFK and Malcolm X were murdered along with a half a dozen civil rights workers. Hundreds of black folk were being violently oppressed in the South.

    Right wingers look at history differently for some odd reason...

    They refuse to acknowledge the fact that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a ruse. They seem to think that America had a right to slaughter innocent civillians. Children are still losing their limbs currently to the unexploded ordinance (cluster bombs) in Cambodia and Laos... but of course all right wingers refuse to acknowledge that fact like ostriches putting their head in the sand.

    So the right wingers look back and don't see the conditions in this country for what they were... and only see the Weathermen (correct term) as terrorists.

    Our founding fathers encouraged civil disobedience in the face of a government that has lost it's way... the Weathermen were only participating in the America that the founding fathers envisioned. the founding fathers weren't lock step fascists... they were pretty fucking radical dudes who were suspicious of the abuses of power that can befall a government... civil disobedience is the ONLY recourse the people has at their disposal when their government becomes corrupt.
     
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    Well considering McCain was actually one of the Keating 5, and Obama has no real connection to any of those people, I think that's a good reason.

    Listen, I'm not going to mince words here. If you are going to bring up those people, you either don't know any of the facts, or you're functioning on a level of cognitive dissonance matched only by Pat Buchanan and Rush Limbaugh.

    I'm not going to take you seriously if you give Obama shit for being in the same room as Ayers.
     
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    Carter 76
     
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    true, but the other 4 were democrats :smile:


    and the fact is that McCain and Glenn were both cleared, and accused only of "poor judgment"

    while the three other democrats
    Cranston, DeConcini, and Riegle it was determined by the Senate Ethics Committee had "substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings",

    Cranston received a formal reprimand.
     
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    WOW< thank you for this post
     
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    The bottom line here people is very simple, are White people in America ready for a Black president, all the rest of this is window dressing
     
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    None of those people are in Congress still, and definitely not running for President. What's your point? If they were running for office, I'd definitely bring it up.

    McCain is on record saying that the scandal was a dark time in his life, and is what turned him into a reformer.
     
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    If only things could truly be so simple. They aren't that simple and such a statement over simplifies things.

    I am voting for Stacy and Uncle Carl.
     
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    No it doesn't, it real is that simple
     
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    exactly...so what was the point castigating him for it?

    He did nothing wrong ultimately, and used the lessons from that period for good, such as the McCain-Feingold bill when he reached across the aisle to try for honest reform.

    So why do some Obama folks still try to tar him with it?

    He was found to have done nothing wrong, so it is a non-issue IMO.
     
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    the bottom line here is he would be a half-black president, not a black president.

    I am not ready for a far-left president.

    black, or half black, or 1/4 black, or super black, mega black, i can handle and am ready for...

    Far left tax raiser and confiscator/re-dsitributor of my wealth? No thanks....not ready for it.

    I Wasn't ready for Carter, Wasn't ready for Dukakis, and i won't be ready for Obama.

    thank you no.

    give me a red, yellow, black, blue or white centrist any day over a far left or far right any color.
     
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    LOL....wrong. He was reprimanded for his poor judgement. He didn't break the law, but he wasn't free and clear.

    Since that particular scandal has clear parallels to the current banking mess, I think it's pertinent...but really I'm just making a point how it's more of an issue than Obama's non-relationships with the other people Starinvestor listed and then ran from.
     
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