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That's just one of hundreds.

EXCLUSIVE: Florida Telling Hundreds Of Eligible Citizens That They Are Ineligible To Vote | ThinkProgress

- 1638 people in Miami-Dade County were flagged by the state as “non-citizens” and sent letters informing them that they were ineligible to vote.
- Of that group, 359 people have subsquently provided the county with proof of citizenship.
- Another 26 people were identified as U.S. citizens directly by the county.
- The bulk of the remaining 1200 people have simply not responded yet to a letter sent to them by the Supervisor of Elections.
And the story is being disregarded by the major news outlets.

Virtual Blackout From National Media On Voter Suppression In Florida | ThinkProgress
 

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Unlawfully disenfranchising voters, especially potential Democratic voters, under the pretense of enforcing state law is a way of managing elections that Republicans have used in Florida before. Secretary of State Kathryn Harris did it 12 years ago, as Greg Palast reported in December of 2000, though at that time the claim was to remove convicted felons rather than non-citizens from the registration lists:

Hillsborough County's elections supervisor, Pam Iorio, tried to make sure that that the bugs in the system didn't keep anyone from voting. All 3,258 county residents who were identified as possible felons on the central voter file sent by the state in June were sent a certified letter informing them that their voting rights were in jeopardy. Of that number, 551 appealed their status, and 245 of those appeals were successful.

Some had been convicted of a misdemeanor and not a felony, others were felons who had had their rights restored and others were simply cases of mistaken identity.

An additional 279 were not close matches with names on the county's own voter rolls and were not notified. Of the 3,258 names on the original list, therefore, the county concluded that more than 15 percent were in error. If that ratio held statewide, no fewer than 7,000 voters were incorrectly targeted for removal from voting rosters.
 

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The ONLY Voter Fraud I have seen has been on the part of the Republican Party. Funny how that happens.

They are using voter fraud as a smoke screen to do anything to prevent American citizens who tend to vote Democratic, Minorities, like Black and Latino people and young people from VOTING in the Presidential election cause they hate nothing more than having a Bi-racial man, who is to the right of Reagan being their President !
 
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They are using voter fraud as a smoke screen to do anything to prevent American citizens who tend to vote Democratic, Minorities, like Black and Latino people and young people from VOTING in the Presidential election cause they hate nothing more than having a Bi-racial man, who is to the right of Reagan being their President !

And then conservative Republicans can't figure out why they can't attract minority voters. Hello? Exactly how stupid do they think minorities are? Oh right as stupid as their constituents who can't figure out it's them the party could care less about.
 

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Does anyone here doubt that voter fraud happens?

Assuming that everyone must know that is surely does happen, what would you propose, other than I.D. , to prevent it?

If it is the goal of Republicans to win elections in less than honest ways wouldn't it be easier for Republicans to use the ease of committing voter fraud currently to their advantage by actually committing it and not making it harder to do so rather than ensuring that every vote is an actual honest to goodness citizens vote?

Why must it be presumed that I.D.s cost the poor anything? Could it not be legislated that those on disability or government assistance be granted free I.D.s?

If a 77 year old in a wheel chair can make it to a voting booth, why can they not make it to a DMV or other place that might be empowered to make it easier for people to get I.D.s?
 

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so lets solve the problem of a dozen or so people committing voter fraud, by eliminating as many (democratic) voting blocks as possible ?

shit, why not just go back to only having male white land owners vote?

I say if you can get yourself into the voting office on election day, or obtain an absentee ballot, then you can cast your vote. (and then the courts can just turn around and have a nice little silent coup d'etat, declaring second place as the winner. now THAT was voter fraud!)
 
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Does anyone here doubt that voter fraud happens?
No. Though a number of respondents in this thread seem to think that it happens in such small numbers, that it is statistically irrelevant.

If it is the goal of Republicans to win elections in less than honest ways wouldn't it be easier for Republicans to use the ease of committing voter fraud currently to their advantage by actually committing it and not making it harder to do so rather than ensuring that every vote is an actual honest to goodness citizens vote?
Ooh, ooh, let me answer this one! Republicans are stupid, slow, and black-hearted...but we're all criminal masterminds, and deviously brilliant.

Don't try to confuse the issue with facts...facts do not tend to sway liberal talking point arguments.

Why must it be presumed that I.D.s cost the poor anything? Could it not be legislated that those on disability or government assistance be granted free I.D.s?
Of course, but that would take time, perhaps more time than is available before the next election, cost additional taxpayer money, and invalidate their point.

If a 77 year old in a wheel chair can make it to a voting booth, why can they not make it to a DMV or other place that might be empowered to make it easier for people to get I.D.s?
One very valid point that was made, is that people living in more rural areas must travel a significant distance to find an office. There is only one DMV in my county (rural Texas) which is around 30-45 miles from the next nearest one...and being rural, there is no practical public transport.

The argument goes, that this represents a hardship, and a disproportionate hardship on the poor and infirmed. And, that particular argument *does* actually hold up to scrutiny...I concede that point.
 
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Again :

Eugene Robinson :

Of course I don't want noncitizens to vote. But they wouldn't be on the voter rolls, would they? They would have to vote in the names of registered citizens, and if this were happening we'd know about it, because those citizens would show up to vote and be told that they'd already cast ballots. That would be voter fraud.Tell me where it's happening?
 
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And while your at it please explain why this so called voter fraud issue scares you so bad.

It's a phony issue given to the foot soldiers to hide the true goal of keeping democrats from voting. All the voter id laws have been pushed by republican legislators. Is that an accident?