White Privilege

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  1. B_VinylBoy

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    And now for something different....
    Although I tend not to look at many issues surrounding the election through race, I did find this to be a very interesting read. It's a speech that's supposed to be about "white privilege", however, if you read the whole thing I think it goes FAR beyond skin color.

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    For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

    White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

    White privilege is when you can call yourself a "fuckin' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their fuckin' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot shit" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

    White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

    White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested."


    White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while if you're black and believe in reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), you're a dangerous and mushy liberal who isn't fit to safeguard American institutions.


    White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.


    White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto is "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful.


    White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college and the fact that she lives near Russia, you're somehow being mean, or even sexist.


    White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look."


    White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.


    White privilege is when you can take nearly twenty-four hours to get to a hospital after beginning to leak amniotic fluid, and still be viewed as a great mom whose commitment to her children is unquestionable, and whose "next door neighbor" qualities make her ready to be VP, while if you're a black candidate for president and you let your children be interviewed for a few seconds on TV, you're irresponsibly exploiting them.

    White privilege is being able to give a 36-minute speech in which you talk about lipstick and make fun of your opponent, while laying out no substantive policy positions on any issue at all, and still manage to be considered a legitimate candidate, while a black person who gives an hour speech the week before, in which he lays out specific policy proposals on several issues, is still criticized for being too vague about what he would do if elected.

    White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America.


    White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.


    White privilege is being able to go to a prestigious prep school, then to Yale and Harvard Business School (George W. Bush), and still be seen as an "average guy," while being black, going to a prestigious prep school, then Occidental College, then Columbia, and then Harvard Law, makes you "uppity" and a snob who probably looks down on regular folks.

    White privilege is being able to graduate near the bottom of your college class (McCain), or graduate with a C average from Yale (W.), and that's OK, and you're still cut out to be president, but if you're black and you graduate near the top of your class from Harvard Law, you can't be trusted to make good decisions in office.

    White privilege is being able to dump your first wife after she's disfigured in a car crash so you can take up with a multi-millionaire beauty queen (who you then go on to call the c-word in public) and still be thought of as a man of strong family values, while if you're black and married for nearly 20 years to the same woman, your family is viewed as un-American and your gestures of affection for each other are called "terrorist fist bumps."

    White privilege is when you can develop a pain-killer addiction, having obtained your drug of choice illegally like Cindy McCain, go on to beat that addiction, and everyone praises you for being so strong, while being a black guy who smoked pot a few times in college and never became an addict means people will wonder if perhaps you still get high, and even ask whether or not you may have sold drugs at some point.

    White privilege is being able to sing a song about bombing Iran and still be viewed as a sober and rational statesman, with the maturity to be president, while being black and suggesting that the U.S. should speak with other nations, even when we have disagreements with them, makes you dangerously naive and immature.

    White privilege is being able to say that you hate "gooks" and "will always hate them," and yet, you aren't a racist because, ya know, you were a POW, so you're entitled to your hatred, while being black and noting that black anger about racism is understandable, given the history of your country, makes you a dangerous bigot.

    White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism and an absent father is apparently among the "lesser adversities" faced by other politicians, as Sarah Palin explained in her convention speech.

    And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain…


    White privilege is, in short, the problem.
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    You think if we strip the color barrier, this may be exactly what most hyper conservative Republicans are feeling right now?
     
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    I'm white. I was raised on welfare, got an education and ended up with a well-paying career. But I can relate to your perspective on white privilege. The sense of entitlement and ignorance most white guys have is repulsive. I usually date men of color.
     
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    Great article, thanks.
     
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    are "Honorary White" designations and passports available, as in the South Africa of old?
     
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    so who gave that speech?
     
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    There are still so many differences between the races regarding perception, treatment, opportunities, attitudes, etc. It's really sad.
     
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    It happens with all races, privilege that is. Author of it simply used examples that supported the assertion of "white privilege". I've been white my entire life, there are many of different races that are far more privileged than I can only imagine being privileged. Look at Oprah Winfrey. In that case treat me like a black person any day, you can even call me names if you want.
     
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    I've seen that screed before, and it's cute, but it's not really appropriate to take a single example and generalize something about race from it.

    Playing the devil's advocate here: Black privilege is killing your wife and getting away with it (even writing a book about it!), whereas if you're white and kill your wife, you could go to jail. Black privilege is seducing little boys with "jesus juice" and still having a Sony record deal, whereas if you're white and seduce kids you might be defrocked. O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson are no more representative of all black people than Bristol Palin and John McCain are of all white people.
     
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    A white guy.:wink:

    You're either nuts or not paying attention if you think Oprah is the standard for black Americans.

    I believe equality doesn't exist, it's a relative term that changes from person to person. It's just a good-sounding word that makes people feel nice saying it.
     
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    Anybody can print a rant pointing fingers here but this is real easy, white privilege comes from the alleged Jesus and/or his former incarnation/father (depending on which way you go trinity-wise) being the alleged Old Testament god.

    Women, children & minorities got rights because a law more powerful then this alleged god gave them rights but that doesn’t mean Christians from both parties will accept the laws of man when they have been conditioned to believe there is a higher power with other wishes.

    Take that article and replace all the finger-pointing with Joe Biden = kinda looses some steam quickly for its target audience!
     
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    Yes blacks all around are more privileged than your white ass because Oprah is rich. What in the fuck are you talking about?
     
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    Reread my post, not the tail end of it. Oprah is but one example of it. And just because minorities haven't called me names to my face, doesn't mean it isn't going on. If they were to call me names, I'd respect it/them more, at least then I'd know where they really stood on it ? And not being the whitest of the white, there's been "white privilege" that's even worked against me and others in that regard. Last I checked I don't belong to any country club ? Probably very similar to the way darker skinned African Americans feel about those that are lighter skinned or from interracial marriages ? White Privilege in my book is a galvanized pc phrase/buzzword for discrimination & racism, just another spin to make the accusations sound less apalling and heinous from the slightest to the most gross of applicability.

    Where I work I'm expected to train and have trained blacks for several positions that are better paying and higher up in the organization than the one I hold and was offered. I'm still waiting for those individuals to divulge anything that would advance my career. But a consolation prize, the one's that I've trained seem to show up with projects that are ground breaking areas for the company. What help do I get, well, I call it the "dump & run" on their part. Am I supposed to walk around with my head shoved so far up my white ass and pretend that I'm too stupid to figure out that a black privilege is in play here/there ?

    Maybe my point is that since it's happened to everyone in our lifetimes, why complain about it ? What would be the point of playing a race card ? It's not like it's ever going to be made up for, or can be taken back. Just look at it as something we all have to overcome, some more than others, is it fair, no, but then again life isn't fair or haven;'t you noticed that yet ? And since McCain's name is used specifically, imagine that, this isn't the 1st time he's run for President. I wonder how he feels about it deep inside, he was actually in the Vietnam war and became disabled for it, he lost to Bush in 2000. Talk about a man who should have a chip on his shoulder, a Paul Bunyan sized axe to grind ? I just don't seem him wandering around playing the handicap card because of his disabilities ?

    With accomplishment, people fail and succeed with relative degrees of success. It must be tough for anyone to reconcile the difference for themselves ? Justify it as their just due rewards ? And you know, someone that has less will always more than likely point it out.
     
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    Exactly. That's celebrity privilege which has no relation to the everyday lives of everyday people.
     
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    You're using anecdotal evidence of your own failures in the face of black people as a counter argument to the notion of white privilege. Poor whitey, life must be so hard.
     
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    OJ got away with murder in my opinion because he could afford the best defense. this is more an example of rich justice than black justice.
     
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    • OCTOBER 11, 2008
    Crossing Over

    As the U.S. Economy Sputters, Working-Class Women Shift to Obama

    By JONATHAN KAUFMAN



    more in Politics & Campaign »




    KOKOMO, Ind. -- Last month, in this once-sturdy auto town of 60,000, two white women sounded off at a union hall when talk turned to politics.
    "I feel like a white female or a white male has fewer opportunities than the black man or the black woman because of all the special treatment and special programs they have gotten," said Marla Hightower. "If Obama is elected, what's going to happen?"
    "That is just stupid," Ginny McMillin, the head of her local, shot back. "People are saying 'we don't want a black man.' Shame on America for thinking that!"
    [​IMG] Getty ImagesObama supporters pose during a "Women's Rally For The Change We Need" in Florida in September.



    The exchange was emblematic of the sharp divide among white, working-class female voters -- a key voting bloc that has largely rejected Barack Obama as a presidential candidate. But four weeks and a $700 billion financial-bailout package later, some attitudes are shifting. Sen. Obama is now picking up support from some of the very women who until recently disdained him. As U.S. economic concerns intensify, ranks of blue-collar females are reconsidering everything from Sen. Obama's policies to their comfort level with his race.
    Working-class women, generally defined as those in blue-collar and service jobs earning less than $50,000 a year -- comprise almost a quarter of American voters. Sen. Obama trailed Sen. John McCain by 12 points among these women just two weeks ago, but has since closed the gap. According to a Wall Street Journal poll conducted the weekend of Oct. 4, the two senators are now running even, with 45% of such voters giving each candidate the nod. The reversal is one of the main reasons Sen. Obama is gaining ground in swing states like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana -- all of which have large rural and blue-collar populations.
    Ms. Hightower, who lost her auto-factory job two years ago in a wave of forced retirements, is one of the recent converts. Having watched the financial crisis unfold and the stock market plummet, she now says she plans to cast her vote for the Illinois senator. "I am not 100% crazy about Obama," says the 55-year-old with a sigh. "He kind of scares me. But I think he will do better for the middle class." In particular, she likes Sen. Obama's conviction to keep more jobs in the U.S.
    Petra Jameson, a black Obama supporter, says she's noticed similar changes taking place at Kokomo's two big auto plants. Just a few weeks ago, "when we had some people come around to ask workers to vote for Obama they were told 'I am not voting for that N-word.' People said that." At the time, union organizers who support Sen. Obama were stunned by how many working-class women even refused to take literature with his picture on it. But now, says Ms. Jameson, 35 years old, some people are turning. "They are losing money [in their retirement accounts] daily. They may have to get over race."
    Kokomo is a city with a checkered racial and economic history. It was a hotbed of Ku Klux Klan activity in the 1920s and rippled with racial tension in the 1960s, residents say. About 10% of Kokomo's population today is African-American. Anchored by sprawling Delphi and Chrysler factories, the city has more recently been hit hard by layoffs triggered by the troubles of the auto industry. The area's jobless rate, at around 8%, is the highest in the state. In August, the Delphi plant announced it would let go another 300 workers.
    Thousands of people here have been pushed into early retirement. Many women in and around Kokomo once held jobs at the Delphi auto-parts plant and other factories that paid $20 to $30 an hour with generous benefits. Replacement gigs, often in the service sector, tend to pay about half that.
    Last week, Angela Lorenz, 58 years old, met with a stock broker to discuss her 401(k) which had been free-falling in value. Two years ago, she lost her position at a local utility company where she earned $24 an hour. These days, she and her husband, a former union auto worker, each make $9.25 an hour cleaning offices in a hospital building.
     
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    Growing up in the Kokomo area, Ms. Lorenz recalls occasional clashes with African-Americans at work. Parking her car near black neighborhoods made her fearful about crime. Eventually, she says, she came to know and befriend blacks at her job.
    She voted for President Bush in 2004 but this time she is still undecided. "I want whoever is going to help the country get through this," says Ms. Lorenz, who has decided to stay put in the stock market for now. "I think Obama could represent me. He does understand the problems for older people. He was close to his grandparents. He is aware of what can happen to people if they don't have someone to look after them."
    In the latest Wall Street Journal poll, blue-collar women indicated they are more worried about their personal financial future than blue-collar men. About 62% of these women expressed concern about their personal financial future over the next year compared to just 23% who were more optimistic. Working-class men, while worried, show a bit more confidence, with 57% saying they are pessimistic about their own financial future versus 39% who are optimistic.
    Such differences may help to explain why working-class women have frequently shown a tendency to break with their husbands, brothers and fathers in the voting booth. (White working-class men still overwhelmingly back Sen. McCain by 58% to 34%, support that hasn't changed much since the financial crisis began.) In recent years, blue-collar women have been more open to Democratic economic messages, analysts say, and less swayed by social issues than their male counterparts. In 2004, President Bush defeated John Kerry overwhelmingly among blue-collar men but won blue-collar women by just one point. In 2000, President Bush trounced Al Gore among blue-collar men but won blue-collar women by just three points.
    For this election, some analysts see heightened economic tensions overcoming any racial prejudices or hang-ups. "Women are much more sensitive to kitchen-table issues -- they are usually responsible for balancing family budgets," says Katherine Newman, a Princeton sociologist who studies the working class. "Racism is what you indulge in if everything else is in order and you can let your prejudices hold sway. If your family is in trouble you can't afford it."
    Kenlyn Watson, the white owner of a beauty salon here called the Mane Attraction, was certain four weeks ago that she would vote for Sen. McCain. Among other things, she was suspicious that a President Obama "would try to right the injustices of 200 years against the black man in four years." Now, the 50-year-old says she is "on the fence" and seriously considering voting for Sen. Obama.
    "I am concerned when McCain says the 'fundamentals of the economy are sound' and then 24 hours later we are going down the crapper," she says. "I have friends who are planning on shutting down their stores in 30 days if things don't get better. I may not agree with all of Obama's policies but maybe we need change."
    In an effort to win back working-class women, the McCain campaign is emphasizing tax cuts and economic policies that it says will create jobs and help ease the financial crisis. Sen. McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin have stepped up criticism of Sen. Obama's past associations, hammering away at the idea that Sen. Obama is an out-of-touch elitist while Sen. McCain and his running mate are populists on the side of workers.
    http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/HC-GM624_Palin_BV_20080929084853.gif Sarah Palin



    Gov. Palin has energized many working-class women here because they see themselves in her -- a woman, who, like them, is assertive, juggles work and family, and rejects many of the traditional liberal views of the women's movement.
    Chatting with a group of women in a downtown Kokomo café, 72-year-old Jody Hollis, a retired auto worker, recently took out a sheaf of papers with pictures of Gov. Palin downloaded from the Internet. "Look, girls: Her with the national guard, her killing a moose, holding a fish. Look! She's a macho woman and man at the same time."
    But support for Gov. Palin is also fading among working-class women. A month ago, 47% of blue-collar women said the Alaska governor was qualified to be president while 40% said she was not. Now those numbers have reversed: 43% of white working-class women in this past weekend's Journal poll say Gov. Palin is qualified to be president; 48% say she isn't ready.
    The campaign is still volatile and the preferences of white working-class women, like other segments of the electorate, could continue to shift. Race has emerged as an explosive topic several times -- most notably regarding Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Sen. Obama's former controversial Chicago pastor who made inflammatory statements attacking American policies. Analysts and advisers in both campaigns expect such issues to surface again.
    "The idea that in a time like this there is no time for racism is a nice thought but I don't think things will necessarily pan out that way," says Jay Campbell, vice president of Hart research, which conducts the Wall Street Journal poll. "What we have seen over the past twenty years in politics is that a lot of people don't end up voting their own economic self-interest, but they vote on a values level." (emphasis added)
    About half of white working-class women -- 51% -- say they don't identify with Sen. Obama's "background" and "values" while 42% say they do, according to a Journal poll last month. By contrast, 60% say they identify with Sen. McCain's values, while 34% say they do not.
    The Obama campaign is stressing tax cuts and broader health care coverage in addition to traditional women's issues like pay equity and the senator's pro-choice stance on abortion. It is also deploying Michelle Obama around the country to meet with working women and talk about their concerns. Mrs. Obama recently traveled to a suburb of Indianapolis, about an hour south of here, to address female voters. "That is why I am out here -- to convince people that Barack does get it," Mrs. Obama told the crowd.
    Last week, Ms. Jameson says she was in a Costco store with her son who was wearing an Obama T-shirt. A white woman came up to them, Mrs. Jameson recalls, and said, "I hope he wins. I am a lifelong Republican but things have to change."
     
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    I am confused, Big. You wouldn't happen to be referring to the God of the Jewish man, Abraham, where this God later on incarnated himself as a Palestinian Jew about 2000 years ago? You know, the God who chose a small minority religion in the middle east as his "chosen people?"

    Also, this isn't the Palestinian Jew who St. Paul evangelized as the Son of God all over the Mediterranean, is it? You know, the one in whose spirit we are all "... no longer Jew nor Gentile, male nor female?"

    And forgive me if I got this wrong, but didn't this same Palestinian Jew preach strongly about privilege, when he said that meek shall inherit the earth, that the last will be first and the first wil be last?

    And, again, tell me if I am wrong, but aren't you referring to the Palestinian Jew Son of God who admonished those around him to "suffer the children unto Him", because he wanted them to be like children?

    And finally, isn't this all written down in a book called the Bible in which there are stories and accounts that go over thousands of years, and manages to never mention a white man of European descent?

    If I have this wrong, let me know. Because the God I know about in the Bible spent most of his time being angry at those with privilege and power and blessing those who were lacking in it.
     
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