White privilege

[StormfrontFL]

I don't see this in our media, could you link to examples from the US?

But is the press treatment of mass murderers what this thread is about? That is not many people.

This thread is about white privilege. The advantages given to one based solely on the color of one's skin. No one is saying white privilege is bad just that it is real. A person would be a fool not to benefit from an advantage but should not be happy if that advantage comes from subjugating others.

Just look for any U.S.article about any mass shooter from the recent past(lots to choose from). Two instances come to mind, the Charleston shooter and the couple from Las Vegas. Reports were made that they were good kids who went wrong. Old photos were published of them looking innocent. Compare that to stories of blacks killed. Speculation that they had been in gangs are reported. Pictures of them are shown in outrageous poses. Their whole history is combed trying to present any evidence of them being less than angelic. Even the young girl in the Texas pool incident was described as "not a saint" in order to justify the police man's actions.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Ah yes. I see where you're going. What was it now?

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you help. There was a great teacher in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. (Somebody invented the roads and bridges). If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." Yup, yup, yup.....Thank God for the government, for if it were not for them and their programs, where would I be? This is another thread.

Clarence Thomas worked hard, and was the best qualified candidate. Let us not forget is was a Republican, George H. W. Bush, who appointed him. More White Privledge.

Suddenly Thomas was the "best qualified candidate" but whenever any other black person is given a job over other whites it's due to Affirmative Action? Got it.

 

[b.c.]

I really don't understand your logic here. Had you said...a negative for one group does not equal a positive for all of another...then i might have agreed with you but i'm sorry if one group murders the majority of another group then yes it does mean a positive for another based on numbers, resources, time and other things. Sure, it won't be a positive for all of that group over time (depending on the circumstances) but it's still like having a race with two runners and shooting one of the racers in the leg before the starting bell. The beginning offensive will always contribute to the race's outcome no matter when you start to watch/inspect.

But this thread remains racist.

How? How in the hell is talking about white privilege racist? There have been many and i mean many a topic about race on this board and it doesn't become racist until we talk about white privilege? Why? Theres threads on asian guys peens, black guys peens, indian guys peens, people have brought up black on black violence until they were blue in the face and all sorts of other things but white privilege...thats where you draw the line?

Would you call a thread created on male privilege sexist? Would you call a thread on female privilege sexist? What about a topic on the privileges of rich people? Would you call that elitism? Why is white privilege so voldermortyish? Why can't people talk about something that clearly exists?

Uhhh... lest we FORGET. You're talking to a person who holds that WE are part of the problem because we talk about race and racism.

The OTHER part being (as he ALSO stated) that we are ALLOWED to.

 

[deleted15807]

Uhhh... lest we FORGET. You're talking to a person who holds that WE are part of the problem because we talk about race and racism.

The OTHER part being (as he ALSO stated) that we are ALLOWED to.

Yes b.c. it's best to practice it and then deny you're doing it. And the thin veneer they apply to every policy meant to oppress a certain race or ethnicity is fooling no one as evidenced by the droves of those groups not voting for them. And the shock yes shock(seriously?) that minorities don't vote for them. Well it's because they all want 'free stuff'....right.

 

[Drifterwood]

I really don't understand

Would you call a thread created on male privilege sexist? Would you call a thread on female privilege sexist?

Yes, I would. Clearly you don't understand. But that is not my problem.

 

[Drifterwood]

Uhhh... lest we FORGET. You're talking to a person who holds that WE are part of the problem because we talk about race and racism.

The OTHER part being (as he ALSO stated) that we are ALLOWED to.

I hold that you are part of the problem, and i have made it abundantly clear why even to the most ill educated mind, though you appear to still not understand.. Tempted knows that I consider him racist from our private messaging.

 

[deleted15807]

.....But this thread remains racist.

When I look at the standard definition of "racist":

rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/
noun
1.
a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
synonyms: racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, supremacist More


adjective
1.
having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
"we are investigating complaints about racist abuse at the club"

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I'm struggling with how it "is racist". Who is saying anyone is superior?

 

[temptotalk]

Yes, I would. Clearly you don't understand. But that is not my problem.

So if anyone even so much as brings up a topic you'll label them the worst thing possible according to that thread. Simply for bringing the issue up?

So if i bring up religion then i'm anti-religion. If i bring up gun control then i'm anti-gun control. So to you it doesn't matter what i say or how i say it. All i have to do is just bring it up and you'll say i'm anti whatever it is i brought up.

I created a thread asking how people found their significant other. Does that mean i'm anti-relationships? Of course it does because thats how your mind works.

I created a thread on how important humor is to people...guess that means i despise laughter huh.

I hold that you are part of the problem, and i have made it abundantly clear why even to the most ill educated mind, though you appear to still not understand.. Tempted knows that I consider him racist from our private messaging.

So you've jumped from.

This is a deeply held racist opinion of yours?

To...

Tempted knows that I consider him racist from our private messaging.

Which i fully accepted in the conversation since it wasn't actually an opinion of mine. I was making a point about stereotyping a whole group of people. Thanks though for doubling down on calling me a racist just because you have no idea what my point was, is or will be.

When I look at the standard definition of "racist":

rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/
noun
1.
a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
synonyms: racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, supremacist More


adjective
1.
having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
"we are investigating complaints about racist abuse at the club"

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I'm struggling with how it "is racist". Who is saying anyone is superior?

Right when did i or anyone else say or imply that.

 

[b.c.]

I hold that you are part of the problem, and i have made it abundantly clear why even to the most ill educated mind, though you appear to still not understand.. Tempted knows that I consider him racist from our private messaging.

I'll take that as a compliment, bud, considering this is coming from someone who writes silly S****** like, I won't follow a link without knowing where it'll lead, and who calls a discussion about racism "inherently RACIST."

So yes, people like YOU AND your cheerleaders WOULD consider me a "problem" for the topics I bring to the table. As well you SHOULD.

Though I'd suggest that you bear in mind what we ALSO might consider YOU to be... from your NOT so private messages.

 

[Drifterwood]

Right when did i or anyone else say or imply that.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/racism

First definition. If you are making a call and race is held as the defining characteristic or cause, then it is racist.

 

[deleted15807]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/racism

First definition. If you are making a call and race is held as the defining characteristic or cause, then it is racist.

Wrong.

Racism is a doctrine or teaching, without scientific support, that does three things. First, it claims to find racial differences in things like character and intelligence. Second, racism asserts the superiority of one race over another or others. Finally, it seeks to maintain that dominance through a complex system of beliefs, behaviors, use of language and policies. Racism ranges from the individual to the institutional level and reflects and enforces a pervasive view, in whitedominated U.S. culture that people of color are inferior to whites.

White skin privilege is not something that white people necessarily do, create or enjoy on purpose. Unlike the more overt individual and institutional manifestations of racism described above, white skin privilege is a transparent preference for whiteness that saturates our society. White skin privilege serves several functions. First, it provides white people with “perks” that we do not earn and that people of color do not enjoy. Second, it creates real advantages for us. White people are immune to a lot of challenges. Finally, white privilege shapes the world in which we live — the way that we navigate and interact with one another and with the world.

On Racism and White Privilege​

 

[b.c.]

Wrong.

Racism is a doctrine or teaching, without scientific support, that does three things. First, it claims to find racial differences in things like character and intelligence. Second, racism asserts the superiority of one race over another or others. Finally, it seeks to maintain that dominance through a complex system of beliefs, behaviors, use of language and policies. Racism ranges from the individual to the institutional level and reflects and enforces a pervasive view, in whitedominated U.S. culture that people of color are inferior to whites.

White skin privilege is not something that white people necessarily do, create or enjoy on purpose. Unlike the more overt individual and institutional manifestations of racism described above, white skin privilege is a transparent preference for whiteness that saturates our society. White skin privilege serves several functions. First, it provides white people with “perks” that we do not earn and that people of color do not enjoy. Second, it creates real advantages for us. White people are immune to a lot of challenges. Finally, white privilege shapes the world in which we live — the way that we navigate and interact with one another and with the world.

On Racism and White Privilege​

Boobalaa succinctly, yet, QUITE accurately, described Drifterwood's approach to just about ANYTHING having to do with these concerns, and did so in only FOUR words:

"... Subtle cosmopolitan whitewash bullshit..."

 

[Drifterwood]

Wrong.

There are several definitions of racism. The broadest is the example of people making general judgments based solely on someone's race or ethnicity. White privilege is one such example.

 

[StormfrontFL]

There are several definitions of racism. The broadest is the example of people making general judgments based solely on someone's race or ethnicity. White privilege is one such example.

So are you saying that no advantages are to be had for simply being white? Not an automatic assumption by some that if you are in a certain college, class, or job that you only got there due to affirmative action? Not an assumption that you likely have less money or credit? It must be nice in that fantasy land of yours in which everyone is treated equally.

 

[deleted15807]

There are several definitions of racism. The broadest is the example of people making general judgments based solely on someone's race or ethnicity. White privilege is one such example.

It appears you've decided to shoehorn your definition into a word that when one looks it up does not match in any way your definition. Got it.

Is bias "racist"? If so then by your definition the United States is a very racist nation.

Most white Americans demonstrate bias against blacks, even if they're not aware of or able to control it. It's a surprisingly little-discussed factor in the anguishing debates over race and law enforcement that followed the shootings of unarmed black men by white police officers. Such implicit biases-- which, if they were to influence split-second law enforcement decisions, could have life or death consequences -- are measured by psychological tests, most prominently the computerized Implicit Association Test, which has been taken by over two million people online at the website Project Implicit.

Bias in the test occurs when people are faster at categorizing negative words when they are paired with African American faces, or faster at sorting positive words when they're paired with white faces -- suggesting an uncontrolled mental association between negative things or concepts and African Americans.

Across America, whites are biased and they don’t even know it

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[Drifterwood]

It appears you've decided to shoehorn your definition into a word that when one looks it up does not match in any way your definition. Got it.

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Actually I would say exactly the same about you. I have provided a link to wiktionary that gives three definitions. You have linked to two sites that give a single definition. That definition being narrow and relating to your experience in America. Your definition supports the lie that groups who have suffered racism can't be racist themselves. Got it.

Do you think women can't be sexist then?

 

[Drifterwood]

So are you saying that no advantages are to be had for simply being white?

I thought that it was clear from my post that what I was saying was what I said rather than your rather lame attempt to start putting words into my mouth.

I will leave you guys to carry on.

I did check out the US media.

I imagine some of you will call him rude names.

 

[temptotalk]

There are several definitions of racism. The broadest is the example of people making general judgments based solely on someone's race or ethnicity. White privilege is one such example.

I don't think you understand the damage you're doing. Good luck on getting heard in the gun debate tho.

 

[Drifterwood]

I don't think you understand the damage you're doing.

I know that a lot of perfectly reasonable Americans, of all races, are getting bored of your type of belligerence.

 

[Jjz1109]

Rather than white privlege, the real discussion might be around pigmentocracy, as was alluded to earlier in this thread. It appears in many societies and cultures around the world, including Africa, Latin America, and Asia, the lightness (whiteness) of the skin is more valued. It therefore suggests that within races an internal hierarchy (of social and class standing) exists. Maybe the thread should be renamed "Whiteness Privlege."