Who’s afraid of a white minority?

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By now almost everyone has heard the US will be a "minority" majority nation in the coming decades. But this is entirely do to how the Census defines race and not how individuals define race. The Census Bureau however has over the decades changed how it defines race many times. Many people erroneously think racial categories in the US we have today are biological and/or genetic and are immutable. Wrong. Very wrong.

The question of whether America will become a majority-minority nation — and when that might happen — is intensely disputed, of enormous political import and extraordinarily complex.

Opinion | Who’s Afraid of a White Minority?

Both Richard Alba, of CUNY, in “The Myth of the White Minority,” and Herbert Gans, of Columbia, in “The Census and Right Wing Hysteria,” argued that questionable census classifications led to an undercount of America’s white majority. This anxiety over the decline of white hegemony, in turn, helped propel a segment of conservative voters to cast ballots for Donald Trump.

Not so fast, say William Frey of Brookings, Lilliana Mason of the University of Maryland and Justin Gest of George Mason University. They argue that mixed-race Americans who identify as white are not always viewed — or accepted — as white by other Americans. As Mason put it to me in an email, “people who are racially motivated to dislike immigrants” will “not be assuaged by the argument that one day immigrants will just be white people.”

But before continuing with this point, let’s turn back to Alba. Following up in the Washington Post in 2017, Alba addressed the interrelated questions of how mixed-race Americans classify themselves, how the census classifies them and how the census classification deals with the offspring of racially and ethnically mixed parents.

Alba writes:

Currently, 14 to 15 percent of infants born in the United States are multiethnic or multiracial, a number that was just 11 to 12 percent in 2000. But despite the fact that most of those children have a white parent, inadequacies in the census classifications mean that the great majority of them are identified as nonwhites. This is important, because most partly white individuals behave like whites in sociological terms. They grow up in neighborhoods with many whites, have white friends as adults, think of themselves mostly as white or partly white, and marry whites.
In addition, according to Alba, “when individuals report having Hispanic ancestry, the Census Bureau assumes, following the O.M.B. standards, that they are only Hispanic regardless of their answers to the race question.” In other words, Hispanics who describe themselves as white are classified as minorities, not as whites.

The census defines as Hispanic or Latino “a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race.” In the 2010 census, there were 50.48 million Hispanics, 53 percent of whom self-identified as white.

The Census Bureau explains that it considers race and ethnicity to be two separate and distinct concepts. What is race? An individual can report as White, Black or African-American, Asian, American Indian and Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, or some other race. Survey respondents may report multiple races. What is ethnicity? Ethnicity determines whether a person is of Hispanic origin or not. For this reason, ethnicity is broken out in two categories, Hispanic or Latino and Not Hispanic or Latino. Hispanics may report as any race.

When Hispanics who identify themselves as white are added in, the white share of the population actually grew modestly between 2000 and 2017 from 75.1 percent to 76.6 percent.

This raises a question: If the census dropped the binary non-Hispanic white-minority division and instead stressed the large number of people of mixed ancestry who self-identify as white, would the anxieties of whites fearful of a majority-minority America be lessened?

A second question is how many Americans who are currently inclined to see immigrants as outsiders and as threats to the nation’s culture will perceive those coming from Asian, Latin American, African, Middle Eastern and North African nations as part of the American mainstream — even as more of those migrants intermarry. And what about the second-, third- and fourth-generation offspring of increasing numbers of Latino-white and Asian-white unions?

Trump has driven home not only to his base but to many others the message of a threatening majority-minority future.

There’s a big problem with how the census measures race

...census statistics will continue to roil the public discussion of diversity, by exaggerating white decline and the imminence of a majority-minority United States. Political figures and pundits who oppose immigration and diversity could exploit that, peddling an alarmist narrative that doesn’t fit with the long-standing reality of mixing between immigrant and established Americans.

...blurring of differences from whites is especially true for people from mixed Hispanic and white families. Family mixing weakens attachments to the Hispanic group, research finds. According to a recent Pew study, a growing number of such individuals no longer identify as Hispanic — much as Americans from, say, a mix of Slavic and Italian and Irish backgrounds may now mainly think of themselves as whites.
The "One Drop Rule" is alive and well.

Using the “one-drop” rule for Hispanic origin leads to inaccuracies

Distorted census data can result in inaccurate statements of “fact” and misleading projections for the future.

For instance, since 2013, the Census Bureau has declared a majority of babies born in the United States are nonwhite — by counting all infants with any mixed origins as nonwhite. But this is only true under a “one-drop” rule. National Center for Health Statistics data shows that more than 50 percent of U.S. babies have a non-Hispanic white mother.

And classifying those from mixed Hispanic and white families as “nonwhites” results in Census Bureau population projections of a majority-minority society by the mid-2040s. But such projections are grossly misleading because of the binary thinking that undergirds them and the misclassification of individuals who are partly white and partly minority.
 
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You mean like how Ted Cruz keeps trying to claim he from Cuba and also hispanic/latino when he could not be more white if he tried ?

He married a sterotypical pretty blonde white woman and now has daughters who are at best 1/4 "hispanic"

Who really thinks they will be dating much less ever marrying anything but the most blue of blueblood from the most ivy of the ivy league.
 

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You mean like how Ted Cruz keeps trying to claim he from Cuba and also hispanic/latino when he could not be more white if he tried ?

He married a sterotypical pretty blonde white woman and now has daughters who are at best 1/4 "hispanic"

Who really thinks they will be dating much less ever marrying anything but the most blue of blueblood from the most ivy of the ivy league.

Lay off.

Being born in Canada does not mean that Ted Cruz is not Hispanic.
Not being fluent in Spanish does not mean that Ted Cruz is not Hispanic.
Marrying a woman who is blonde and/or white does not mean that Ted Cruz is not Hispanic.
Being conservative does not mean that Ted Cruz is not Hispanic.

Ted Cruz is a disgusting creep job of a human being, but that doesn't in any way excuse being racist towards him (and you are most definitely being racist here).
 

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The definition of white has been changing for almost as long as it has been a thing. A couple hundred years ago, white would have only referred to people of Anglo Saxon decent. People from Spain and Italy would not have been considered white, and yet both are considered white today. 50 years ago no one of Hispanic decent would have been considered white, and yet now the census and other surveys, job applications, etc. all have categories for Hispanic (non-white) indicating that there is a subset of Hispanic that is white.

I think that the parameters of whiteness will continue to expand as long as there is some benefit in expanding them, such as preventing white people from becoming a minority.
 

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I am simply referring to how he looks and how he acts and who he associates with

I was not referring to his being born in Canada at all

I had heard that he could not speak Spanish but was not sure about that and besides GWB is fluent in it and that sure as hell does not make him hispanic

Because we do not know for sure his fathers linage he is at best half Cuban

He is as white as any white guy in America, whiter than lot of Italians for example

He acts as white as Archie Bunker or any other stereotypical white guy

His entire life, adult life for sure he as associated with with the whitest of the lily white, the bluest of the blue bloods and the most ivy of the ivy league.

You think it is just some weird accident that his wife was a pretty blonde white woman who also just happened to work at Goldman Sachs???

Just an accident that he has went by "Ted" all these years ??
 

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I am simply referring to how he looks and how he acts and who he associates with

I was not referring to his being born in Canada at all

I had heard that he could not speak Spanish but was not sure about that and besides GWB is fluent in it and that sure as hell does not make him hispanic

Because we do not know for sure his fathers linage he is at best half Cuban

He is as white as any white guy in America, whiter than lot of Italians for example

He acts as white as Archie Bunker or any other stereotypical white guy

His entire life, adult life for sure he as associated with with the whitest of the lily white, the bluest of the blue bloods and the most ivy of the ivy league.

You think it is just some weird accident that his wife was a pretty blonde white woman who also just happened to work at Goldman Sachs???

Just an accident that he has went by "Ted" all these years ??

Stop being so goddamn racist.

People do not need to act a certain way to be a certain race.
People do not need to marry certain people to be a certain race.
People do not need to associate with certain people to be a certain race.

Are you going to start interjecting yourself into the conversation any time Barack Obama refers to himself as a black man and correct everyone "Oh no, Barack Obama is half black at best"?

Fuck off with this shit.
 

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Stop being so goddamn racist.

People do not need to act a certain way to be a certain race.
People do not need to marry certain people to be a certain race.
People do not need to associate with certain people to be a certain race.

Are you going to start interjecting yourself into the conversation any time Barack Obama refers to himself as a black man and correct everyone "Oh no, Barack Obama is half black at best"?

Fuck off with this shit.
I believe what phonehome was saying is that Ted Cruz seems to work at not being associated with Hispanics.He may tell the story of how his father left Cuba but is it just a way to lure in the Latino vote? It's like politicians always attending church right at election time to show how religious they are but after the election they never darken the door of a house of worship.

In the old days it was called "passing". Take for example a closeted gay politician. He votes for anti gay legislation and disputes gay people. That doesn't make him non gay. A light skinned black person (light enough to be thought of as white) refuses to associate with black people (attending an all white school, living in an all white neighborhood, marrying a white person) isn't any less black. That person is "passing".

A person can do all the things you listed and there's nothing wrong with that but it seems wrong if that person then seeks to separate himself from the race he was born into. I was studious, well mannered, and spoke in proper English (all against the stereotypical black male) and that doesn't mean I was anti black (in fact, I hated being told I wasn't acting black for doing so. As if there's only one way to act.). I married a white man. That doesn't mean I was anti black. As for your last one I can't relate because I have friends of all races but in junior high my best friends were white and that didn't mean I was anti black.

I don't know whether or not Ted Cruz is attempting to pass. It would seem unlikely given his continuous pointing out of his Cuban roots but what is more likely is that his motives for doing so have less to do with Hispanic pride and more to do with political motivation.
 

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I believe what phonehome was saying is that Ted Cruz seems to work at not being associated with Hispanics.He may tell the story of how his father left Cuba but is it just a way to lure in the Latino vote? It's like politicians always attending church right at election time to show how religious they are but after the election they never darken the door of a house of worship.

In the old days it was called "passing". Take for example a closeted gay politician. He votes for anti gay legislation and disputes gay people. That doesn't make him non gay. A light skinned black person (light enough to be thought of as white) refuses to associate with black people (attending an all white school, living in an all white neighborhood, marrying a white person) isn't any less black. That person is "passing".

A person can do all the things you listed and there's nothing wrong with that but it seems wrong if that person then seeks to separate himself from the race he was born into. I was studious, well mannered, and spoke in proper English (all against the stereotypical black male) and that doesn't mean I was anti black (in fact, I hated being told I wasn't acting black for doing so. As if there's only one way to act.). I married a white man. That doesn't mean I was anti black. As for your last one I can't relate because I have friends of all races but in junior high my best friends were white and that didn't mean I was anti black.

I don't know whether or not Ted Cruz is attempting to pass. It would seem unlikely given his continuous pointing out of his Cuban roots but what is more likely is that his motives for doing so have less to do with Hispanic pride and more to do with political motivation.

A man who routinely refers to himself as Latino is not trying to pass as white.

If you want to argue that Ted Cruz advances policies that are potentially harmful to the same communities who's votes he's courting, sure, but that's a GOP thing not a race thing.
 
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A man who routinely refers to himself as Latino is not trying to pass as white.

If you want to argue that Ted Cruz advances policies that are potentially harmful to the same communities who's votes he's courting, sure, but that's a GOP thing not a race thing.
When did ever say it was a race thing? I believe what I said is that he most likely isn't trying to pass because he constantly brings up his Cuban roots. It would be a race thing if he denied his heritage. I also pointed out that many of his actions do portray what some would say is an attempt to distance himself from being seen as a "stereotypical" Hispanic. I also recall saying that a lot of what he is doing is likely politically motivated( He's Hispanic but one of the "good ones").

To the point, there's more than one way to be whatever race you are. Acting differently doesn't make one any less a member of that race. Stop pigeonholing everyone.
 
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When did ever say it was a race thing?

Phonehome, not you.

To the point, there's more than one way to be whatever race you are. Acting differently doesn't make one any less a member of that race. Stop pigeonholing everyone.

That was my whole point, and it was addressed to Phonehome.
 

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Just as males have been a dominating minority gender since this country was founded, I am guessing that “whites” will be a dominating minority race long after they have been merely outnumbered. It appears that a group’s power comes not from its size but by the power granted to it by other groups.
 

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When Stormy uses the term "passing" he pretty much nails what I am trying to get at when I said he "acts white"

Set aside that he appears to be as white as Donald trump or Archie Bunker.

That is just a bonus

I am talking about his ACTIONS.

His actions are that of your typical white guy, he might as well be John Cornyn, Joe McCarthy who he looks so much like it is spooky or even Donald Trump.

If he was not trying in some small way to appeal to a small segment of the hispanic vote all evidence suggests he would be calling himself Ted CRUISE.

You are so far off when you bring President Obama into it, only the haters on the right ever called him "half black" that and the birthers who insisted "that it mattered" had he been born in Kenya( which he was NOT) but then in lock step turned around and said that for Ted Cruz it did not matter when we know he was born in Canada, to a non citzen father and a US born citizen mom

Set aside the fact that even had he tried he could never pass for white other than going to Harvard VS an HBCU he did nothing else that remotely suggested passing.

He did not go to work on Wall Street, live in Grenich CT, belong to a country club that was vitrually if not literally all white or until not long ago was. Associate with nothing but the most WASPy or WASPs Marry a pretty Blonde woman like you see morning noon and night on Fox news and have pretty blonde daughters.

Just start of all the things he did not do
 

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When Stormy uses the term "passing" he pretty much nails what I am trying to get at when I said he "acts white"

Set aside that he appears to be as white as Donald trump or Archie Bunker.

That is just a bonus

I am talking about his ACTIONS.

His actions are that of your typical white guy, he might as well be John Cornyn, Joe McCarthy who he looks so much like it is spooky or even Donald Trump.

If he was not trying in some small way to appeal to a small segment of the hispanic vote all evidence suggests he would be calling himself Ted CRUISE.

You are so far off when you bring President Obama into it, only the haters on the right ever called him "half black" that and the birthers who insisted "that it mattered" had he been born in Kenya( which he was NOT) but then in lock step turned around and said that for Ted Cruz it did not matter when we know he was born in Canada, to a non citzen father and a US born citizen mom

Set aside the fact that even had he tried he could never pass for white other than going to Harvard VS an HBCU he did nothing else that remotely suggested passing.

He did not go to work on Wall Street, live in Grenich CT, belong to a country club that was vitrually if not literally all white or until not long ago was. Associate with nothing but the most WASPy or WASPs Marry a pretty Blonde woman like you see morning noon and night on Fox news and have pretty blonde daughters.

Just start of all the things he did not do

What I am saying is there is no such fucking thing as "acting white". Race and ethnicity are not determined by a set of behaviors or ideas.

You're being fucking disgusting... all the way up to criticizing who he married and the color of his daughters hair. You're yet another white male ranting and raving against interracial marriage... that somehow Cruz has tarnished any claims on his racial heritage by marrying a white woman.
 

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You just do not get it

I am beginning to think you just do not want to just like on many things the "G man" from TN does not want to get it.

I am NOT arguing that he is not in fact to some degree "hispanic/latino"

I am saying look at his actions

If you knew nothing about him, cut the top off his resume.

Do they look and sound like the actions of a WASP from CT like Prescot Bush, or what you might expect from any number of Hispanics from Miami or where ever ??

Tick off the list and ask what would your typical WASP do and what would your typical Hispanic do and you get more or less WASP every time.

That is all that I am "observing" and asking why is that?
 

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BTW

I am NOT "ranting and raving about interracial marriage"

I am wondering how/why he made the choice he did?

I am wondering did he exclude all the Jennifer Lopez's and Sofia Vegara's of the world from the start for some reason or "they" were just not in the circles he ran in?

To bring it back to the "passing" idea, we all know it was beyond common for a light skinned black guy passing for white in the 50's and 60's to marry a white woman rather than a black woman or for that matter even a hispanic woman.

For the most part we know why that was.
 

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You just do not get it

Dude, I'm getting it loud and clear. We're all getting it.

I am saying look at his actions

If you knew nothing about him, cut the top off his resume.

Do they look and sound like the actions of a WASP from CT like Prescot Bush, or what you might expect from any number of Hispanics from Miami or where ever ??

Tick off the list and ask what would your typical WASP do and what would your typical Hispanic do and you get more or less WASP every time.

I don't make fucking race judgements based on behavior. I don't look at a list of actions and say "Oh, this has gotta be a white guy" or "Oh, this has gotta be a Hispanic guy". That's stereotyping and it's racist. Hell, it's right there in the way you keep using the word "typical". I don't know how you can not be seeing it.

BTW

I am NOT "ranting and raving about interracial marriage"

I am wondering how/why he made the choice he did?

I am wondering did he exclude all the Jennifer Lopez's and Sofia Vegara's of the world from the start for some reason or "they" were just not in the circles he ran in?

This is one of the "Go to" arguments for anyone who expresses opposition to interracial marriage. Like "Why did you marry a white woman when there's so many good black women out there". You're structuring it like there were Hispanic women that he met and would've married were they not Hispanic but white instead and so he passed them over to bide his time and wait for a white woman. That's not how this works (that's not how any of this works).

He married his wife because that's who he fell in love with and who loved him in return. That's how it works for most people who get hitched.

To bring it back to the "passing" idea, we all know it was beyond common for a light skinned black guy passing for white in the 50's and 60's to marry a white woman rather than a black woman or for that matter even a hispanic woman.

Yes, a person who was alive during the time interracial marriage was illegal would be likely to marry someone of a race that aligned with the race they were or were presenting themself as. That's not rocket science (because interracial marriage was ILLEGAL) and it's also not relevant here (since Ted Cruz married in 2001 and since he doesn't make unsubstantiated claims that I'm aware of about his racial heritage).
 

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I will just close with this

First

Anyone who has been married or "in a relationship" more than once no GD well that you can "fall in love" head over heels in love with more than one woman, or man as the case may be.

Also it does not take a rocket scientist to know that you choose from among the choices you have before you and if you decide that all your possible choices are going to look like Gretchen Carlson and none of them are going to look like Jennifer Lopez then surprise surprise you will eventually end up with someone who looks like Gretchen Carlson and not Jennifer Lopez.

Now is that what he did?

I do not know.

With EVERYTHING did it all "just happen to work out that way" ?

OR

When he was in the 3rd grade did he sit down and tell himself that he was one day going to be the President or at the very least try to become one?

You know there are people like that either they or there parents have mapped out there entire lives from the day after conception.

In order to "make that happen" did he draw up some kind of "checklist", even if it was only in his head that said "you must do, this, this this and this" and under no circumstances will you do that, that, that, and that.

From everything we have seen of him and his weasily ways it is easy to believe he has had that checklist since 3rd grade and it all did not just happen to happen that way so if he did I wonder what all was on that checklist?
 

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This is one of the "Go to" arguments for anyone who expresses opposition to interracial marriage. Like "Why did you marry a white woman when there's so many good black women out there". You're structuring it like there were Hispanic women that he met and would've married were they not Hispanic but white instead and so he passed them over to bide his time and wait for a white woman. That's not how this works (that's not how any of this works).

He married his wife because that's who he fell in love with and who loved him in return. That's how it works for most people who get hitched.



Yes, a person who was alive during the time interracial marriage was illegal would be likely to marry someone of a race that aligned with the race they were or were presenting themself as. That's not rocket science (because interracial marriage was ILLEGAL) and it's also not relevant here (since Ted Cruz married in 2001 and since he doesn't make unsubstantiated claims that I'm aware of about his racial heritage).
On this we can't be too sure. Only he knows if this is the case.

I went to school with a black girl who only dated white guys. She did so because she said she wanted to insure that her kids would be lighter than she. It didn't matter if she had more in common with someone black. His color disqualified him in her eyes.

Did Ted Cruz ignore women who had more Latina features? Was he only attracted to the WASPy types?

Did he go out of his way not to socialize with other Latinos?

If the answer is yes then he has a problem. If no, then he's just a guy who likes what he likes.

Short answer: No way to say whether or not he's self hating that is definitive but without a doubt he's Hispanic in origin.