Who Created these Prophecies?

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  1. dreamer20

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    A Christian person, I shall refer to him as BM, revealed these "prophecies" on another message board. When questioned about the origin of these tales he refused to give his source. Does anyone know where this information is coming from?
    Read on:



    *Eschatology = the doctrines of death.

    Questions asked at this point:
    If Ezekiel 38 did not exist (a)Would this war not be happening and
    (b) Would the nuclear issue not exist?

    If the Bible is the word and its teachings absolute. Do the Bible's scriptures phophecy why everything is the way that it is today? To fufil a prophecy/scripture?

    My Reply:

    BM re: the Bible. You are aware of the 10 commandments. As the Bible's teachings are "absolute" why would Satan expect the Jews "to turn to Jesus" as Yahweh has commanded them to put no other gods before him in his first commandment? Satan would have no need of a special plan as the orthodox religion would not recognize Jesus as the tribal God. The Jews have been persecuted many times in history for this religious belief by Christians, not Satan. I wonder if Pat Robertson is the source of your theory regarding the holocaust (I noticed that you had Sharon's stroke in your previous post). If not him who came up with this ludicrous idea?

    The prophecy of Ezekiel 38 cannot be fufilled as you have written it for *Assyria no longer exists. The land known as Assyria was located some 300 miles to the East of Syria, i.e. they existed as two seperate regions historically. Modern day Iran was once ancient Persia. One can only speculate as to where Gog and Magog were but it is clear that the time period of that passage dealt with a time of horsemen and swords and not the 21st Century. This is not the first time that I have seen modern theologians attempt to confuse the public in this manner and take advantage of their ignorance of the ancient world and Bible text.

    *Note:Ezekiel 38 names the three countries in this conflict as Persia, Ethiopia and Libya. I didn't mention this to BM. Shouldn't he already know what the text said ?


    BM explained the countries being different by saying "the descendants of the Assyrians are scattered throughout the ME" and other tripe. It would have been better to say that someone was playing fast and loose with the truth and pretending that their ME speculation is verified by scripture.

    And as for the first commandment he issued this statement:

    The question of Jesus' divinity was one of the controversies presented in The Davinchi Code. It is also a part of the senseless division that exists between Muslims, Jews and Christians who worship a common God.

    I am curious as to what that 7th judgement against the Jews is supposed to be. And who is making these claims?


    dreamer20


     
  2. Pecker

    Pecker Retired Moderator
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    Some fundies, although they insist that the Bible is the literal word of God, manage to interpret the scriptures to their own ends, thus making it ultimately the word of man.
     
  3. JustAsking

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    Eschatology is the study of "end times" or "last things" as described by various religions. However, interpreting of the Book of Revelation in regard to recent world politics and war is as bogus as the Davinci Code is. It is tin-foil hat stuff.
     
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    Haha.

    Sorry to be less than serious here but my quick reaction to bm is 'bowel movement' and to eschatology is 'scat'.

    And then JustAsking talking about end times and last things just added fuel to the fire.

    I know...

    I'm the one with issues.:redface:
     
  5. Dr Rock

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    who lives in the east 'neath the willow tree? Sex
    who created them? same people as created all of organized religion - liars, thieves and dorks. silly question really
     
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    Thats a perfectly good association in regard to the "rapture" cults.
     
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    The bible is just a historical text of actual events that have been embelished. The supernatural take on the world is the sign of those ancient times. There was, as there is now, a need and want to explain the unexplained. They had supernatural explanations.

    The anti-christ is not the devil because the devil as everyone knows him today does not exist and never has. He is actually Nero, or some other Roman Emperor (I forget). The bible should not be taken literally and be accepted as truth. Just as Peter Pan shouldn't.
     
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    I wish that fundamentalists of every ilk would just take a pill. Better yet, how about a nice glass of kool-aid? Jones' family recipe.
     
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    Thanks for all the replies folks. The noxious Kool Aid comment was delightful Gillette. Will I ever find the "who" behind this story? Probably not. I found this part of the prophecies to be most disturbing:

    [quote =BM]

    ...So, if it wasn't written would this still be happening? No. Because according to the Bible, the Jewish people are GOD's first fruits, with the Gentiles second through Jesus. Satan has tried to destroy GOD's plan by trying to kill all of the Jew before they can turn to Jesus as their saviour. Hence the seven judgements against the Jews, the sixth being the holocaust.

    [/quote]

    In response to my last reply he revealed a bit more about who he believes is really pulling everyone's puppet strings to fulfil Bible prophecy:


    and re: this quote:

    [quote =dreamer20]

    One can only speculate as to where Gog and Magog were but it is clear that the time period of that passage dealt with a time of horsemen and swords and not the 21st Century.

     
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    It strikes me as especially noteworthy that those who claim the loudest to be gods' (or yaweh's or allah's) most devoted followers are the ones who are always trying to force his hand, i. e. forcing the appearance of the 12th Imam by starting a war.

    The pushiest, noisiest, most obnoxious zealots are the ones who contradict themselves most often and most blatantly (all 3 of the big monotheisms strongly condemn murder, but zealots of all 3 use god as their justification for murder.) All 3 strongly condemn suicide, but those who aspire to be suicide bombers assume that it's a first-class-preboarding pass to get to heaven/paradise. All 3 (in one circumstance) claim no one knows the mind of god/no one knows when the end time will come, yet zealots from all 3 claim that they know god's will and that they know when the end will come. Seems to me that some of the scholars in all 3 would rein in their zealots, and point out the blasphemy of their very words and actions.
     
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    Hello again folks. A friend of mine has this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-End-John-Hagee/dp/0785273700

    And I may find the answers that I seek within it, at least I hope that I do.

    Wish me luck.:wink:

    lol dreamer20
     
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    Another thread has been started with regard to Ezekiel 38's bogus interpretation:

    http://www.lpsg.org/1172306-post1.html




    As for the origin of such ME speculation I suspect that "BM" has been reading Joel Rosenberg's books:

    Joel Rosenberg
     
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    I think I read through one of Rosenberg's books when I was in high school, ten years ago. Kind of funny that he can make a consistent living selling new books every year when he is preaching that apocalypse is right around the corner in all of them.

    [edit] my mistake, it wasn't Rosenberg, though his name still sounds familiar to me and I probably have read something by him as I used to be very interested in this subject. The author I was thinking of was Hal Lindsey.

    Eschatology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    again, it's amazing that they keep selling these books. Some of the ones on that list date back to the 1950s.
     
  15. jack65

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    Hello

    Hmmm where to start, if you look at what god intended for all his creation then what creation ( man ) excepted, you will see it is not the same thing, then most of the bible tells the story of a people that "he" worked with closely and they still wanted revenge more then forgiveness, then we have Prophecies concerning these people and the rest of the nations as a warring to turn back from the work of our hands.

    Then we have Jesus THE Christ, and he says the same thing all over again, and by the way all Christians fall short of gods requirements that is the reason they are Christians, pity we keep forgetting that little point, any way Jesus says look stop thinking your all that, and start treating each other with some respect but man does what man does.

    With regard to the Prophecies in the book of revelations, this can be used for anyones agender and is used a lot of the time, but Jesus said about that time of the end, that it is a end of the "system of things", many believe that Israel will do something that the UN does not like and that is when the war starts.

    but relay it could be any one that starts it, Jesus just said look when you see this kind of thing realize that there is more afoot then you can see So be ready, how do you be ready?, Jesus says just do what he has taught you. if you don't know what that is go and look.

    well my agender is done haha.

    Thank You.
     
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    What's the difference between a book by Hal Lindsey and the LaHaye "Left Behind" series"? Answer: The LaHaye books burn longer.

    Your agender is a good one, jack. You have your head on straight. End Times talk in relation to current events is nothing more than Christian pornography.
     
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    You do have a way with words! I am a Christian, a follower of Jesus. Jesus said no man knows the hour of his coming (return to earth) not even him. I have to laugh at people who like to predict the future. Prophecy is a message from God to people, not fortune telling. God's message is of reconciliation and hope. Love, not hate. Grace, not carrying a grudge, peace, not war.

    Revelation has a very simple message. There always will be wars and rumors of wars. There will be good times and bad and the bad may appear to hard to endure, but in the end God will win. Truth and Perfection will at the end of the day prevail.

    That is the basic message of the Bible if one reads for overall meaning and direction as one reads the book from cover to cover. There are a lot of details that I don't claim to understand. Many of them are just relics of a past culture. In the Bible, it is human beings, not God that are always messing up and God steps in and forgives one more time.

    There are passages that seem to contradict this. It is all about interpretation and seeing a single passage in relation to the entire book. It is also about how man fails to understand God and as time goes by, man's understanding of God changes and for the better. I don't believe that God changes. It is human beings beliefs about God that change.


    An example of this is the story of the flood. The write uses common beliefs that God brings great bad climatic change for bad behavior. In the story God follows this common belief of that age and makes the earth be totally flooded and then in the end God looks down and says he will never destroy the earth with floods again. That is the whole point of the story. It is not about a God causing a flood. It is about a message to God's people that floods are not caused by human misbehavior. God does not cause floods as punishment for human beings' bad behavior. That is the message I see in this story Looking at the story in this way makes God a very humble and wise God.


    I know other people find a different interpretation of that passage as well as many other passages. To each his own. I'll not try to force my beliefs on anyone. And I always appreciate the same respect to me for my personal beliefs, even if my beliefs are wrong. Who knows? I may be right!
     
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    I read the first of the LaHaye books, too.
     
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    Notwithstanding, you turned out quite well, NIC.
     
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    Thank you simcha::smile:

     
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