Who is to blame if you aren't successful?

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I don't see why conservatives are so black and white with this issue. There are definitely people who are poor due to their own bad decisions, but there are also people who are poor because of a bad situation or luck. Why is that so hard to admit?
 

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Wall Street was some of obamas biggest contributors last election and now he blames them! These idiots don't even know why they are protesting! They're union, move-on.org and george soros sponsored. The ones in LA were bused in and paid. I saw a interview with this guy claming he had a job while a guy in the background wearing a very sharp business suit he had a sign that said..."I'm rich and have more money than anyone here and my taxes are to high" and during the interview in the background protesters were giving this guy hi-fives!
This is not grass roots...This is done with the blessing and support of obama and the democratic party…One local politician said wait till florida! So you know what that means they’ll be bused to Tampa for the Republican Convention…You heard it hear first!
 

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Wall Street was some of obamas biggest contributors last election and now he blames them! These idiots don't even know why they are protesting! They're union, move-on.org and george soros sponsored. The ones in LA were bused in and paid. I saw a interview with this guy claming he had a job while a guy in the background wearing a very sharp business suit he had a sign that said..."I'm rich and have more money than anyone here and my taxes are to high" and during the interview in the background protesters were giving this guy hi-fives!
This is not grass roots...This is done with the blessing and support of obama and the democratic party…One local politician said wait till florida! So you know what that means they’ll be bused to Tampa for the Republican Convention…You heard it hear first!

Yeah, it sucks when that whole Tea Party thing comes around back atcha', doesn't it? :smile:
 

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WTF is wrong with you liberals????

What good does it do you or anyone else to sit around and blame anybody else for why you dont have a job??? The point is, even if its not your fault that you are unemployed, marching around wall street, not taking a bath, blaming everyone else in the world is not going to do a DAMN thing to correct your situation.

These idiots are out there blaming banks???? banks??? Do you idiots even know what banks do????

If you have to find boogey man to make you feel better, take a look at the federal reserve.


The Fed IS a bank..."Idiot"
 

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Yeah, it sucks when that whole Tea Party thing comes around back atcha', doesn't it? :smile:


Not even close! Every member of the Tea Party is a solid individual, most of them work, take time off from work to do what they're doing. They dramatically, dynamically oppose everything the Democrat Party stands for. You can understand the you democrats hating and reviling that, but after watching them and what I didn't know is, they're jealous! I think the jealousy may be stronger than the hatred. So their jealousy has led them to create this mock imitation, which is a sham. Looked at in that light, this is laughable. Most of the protestors at these things don't even know why they're there. They can't answer the question, "What is your agenda? What do you want?" All they can say is, "Well, we hate the banks! Punish the banks!" It's a joke.
 
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I don't see why conservatives are so black and white with this issue. There are definitely people who are poor due to their own bad decisions, but there are also people who are poor because of a bad situation or luck. Why is that so hard to admit?

I agree wally. My point is, however, what good does it do a person who is without a job, for whatever reason, to sit around and blame someone else for the situation they are in?

Growing up, my father would have slapped me in the mouth if I would have blamed my teachers for a bad grade or blamed someone else for me not making an all-star team, ect. Was i the victim of discrimination at times growing up? Absolutely. But I was raised that blaming others for your own situation makes you someone who feels sorry for themselves, and that is the first step to becoming a loser.

Instead of feeling sorry for themselves, these folks need to rise above their situation. if they cant do that in this country, then that is their problem.
 
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There are definitely people who are poor due to their own bad decisions, but there are also people who are poor because of a bad situation or luck. Why is that so hard to admit?

Because to admit that would mean that government has a role in fixing it or giving assistance. And that they despise. It's your own lack of discipline, laziness and/or stupidity that put you in this vulnerable position. Go to your neighbors, your family or go to your church for help but do not go to the government. You need to be punished for not being smart like the rich who got that way through hard work and discipline.
 

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You know, on a different a different message board about three years ago I started a thread titled What Makes Someone Successful in Life? Not one person responded "makes lots of money" :cool:

Our priorities are seriously fucked up if materialism trumps empathy, altruism, common sense and the greater quests for knowledge and experience. From a materialistic viewpoint, I'm pretty much a failure. But from the other criteria listed above I'm a raving success: I have the respect and admiration of my friends, peers and my greater community (where I'm quite well-known). I have given and received love on too many occasions to count. I refuse to recognize strictly materialistic reward as a measure of success.

My rent gets paid and my bills too (though usually sorta late). I live very simply (try living car-free in Ft Lauderdale) but am generally happy and live my life by my rules and on my terms; I haven't even set my alarm in almost a year :rolleyes:
 

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I agree wally. My point is, however, what good does it do a person who is without a job, for whatever reason, to sit around and blame someone else for the situation they are in?

Recognizing the cause of a problem is the first step to correcting it. The people who are protesting the banks recognize the cause of the current financial situation. Whether or not they will take steps to actually correct it is still unknown.


Growing up, my father would have slapped me in the mouth if I would have blamed my teachers for a bad grade or blamed someone else for me not making an all-star team, ect. Was i the victim of discrimination at times growing up? Absolutely. But I was raised that blaming others for your own situation makes you someone who feels sorry for themselves, and that is the first step to becoming a loser.

Instead of feeling sorry for themselves, these folks need to rise above their situation. if they cant do that in this country, then that is their problem.

The thing is, most of them can't rise above their situation. Jobs are scarce. Opportunities are scarce. Yes, they still exist but they are few and far between.
 

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rather an irony to accuse the poor of exploiting their position of poverty to extort money from the rich when the rich have been using their position of power to extort money from the poor for centuries.
 

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Herman Cain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He is the former chairman and CEO of Godfather's Pizza and a former deputy chairman (1992–94) and chairman (1995–96) of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.[2]

No mention if he used socialism in the form of federal grants/subsidized student loans to go to college.
 
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These idiots are out there blaming banks???? banks??? Do you idiots even know what banks do????

I know what the banks have done. I know that they took advantage of deregulation to give out mortgages that they knew would fail, passing on the losses to investors. I know that they took government bailout money with few or no strings attached, and instead of helping people keep their homes (there are a number of ideas out there for how they could do that) they are foreclosing on them. This crisis was a major factor a world-wide economic meltdown that isn't really getting any better, because the banks make money off of speculative investments and high-frequency trading, often betting on the failure of the market, not investing in any real products or services that would create jobs and promote economic growth.
 

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Regulatory reform has already happened and that is 1 big reason why the economy is at a stand still.

That belief is based on right-wing political ideology and is not supported by economic analysis. Even Bruce Bartlett, a top economic advisers for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, says that "regulatory uncertainty is a canard invented by Republicans that allows them to use current economic problems to pursue an agenda supported by the business community year in and year out. In other words, it is a simple case of political opportunism, not a serious effort to deal with high unemployment."
Bruce Bartlett: Misrepresentations, Regulations and Jobs - NYTimes.com

Here's more evidence that regulations aren't the problem:

The Republicans Say A Major Impediment To Growth Is Uncertainty Over Regulation. Research Doesn't Back That Up. | The New Republic
Regulations And Taxes Not To Blame For Jobs Crisis | National Memo | Breaking News, Smart Politics
Contrary To GOP Claims, Small Businesses Say Taxes And Regulation Aren’t Holding Back Hiring | ThinkProgress
Regulations aren’t to blame for the ‘uncovery’ - The Washington Post

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Wall Street was some of obamas biggest contributors last election and now he blames them! These idiots don't even know why they are protesting! They're union, move-on.org and george soros sponsored...This is not grass roots...This is done with the blessing and support of obama and the democratic party.

So you'd prefer Obama to be a crony for Wall Street? The fact that Obama was backed by Wall St. may have a lot to to with why no on on Wall St. prosecuted and why there weren't more conditions attached to the bailouts. I think that's a big reason for these protests. People are sending a message to the politicians that they want those responsible for the country's economic problems held accountable, they want measures put into place to prevent such a thing from happening again, they want government to work in the interests of the American people not solely for corporate interests, and they want government to take action to help all the people who are suffering due to lack of jobs and other financial losses (e.g. the value of their homes).

On one level, the protests are a message that people are fed up with Wall St.'s shady dealings and want them reigned in. On other level, it's a message to the politicians, including Obama, that we are dissatisfied with their leadership and the actions they've taken (or haven't taken, as the case may be) to resolve the economic crisis that began a few years ago.

Unlike the Tea Party, this is a genuine grassroots movement. It wasn't started by Obama, the Democratic party, moveon.org, the unions, or any other such group. As I understand it, the idea was floated around the Internet by a few fed up individuals, and Adbusters helped get the word out to a wider audience. The fact that it went anywhere and didn't fizzle out, that thousands of people have joined and protests have started up all over the country and in other parts of the world, speaks to the authenticity of what they are doing. Since the movement started, unions have joined in solidarity and helped them get organized. It seems like a natural alliance to me, as long as the unions don't try to take it over.

Occupy Wall Street: FAQ | The Nation