Who the F@#! is Grover Norquist?

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  1. B_VinylBoy

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    First we hear about the Koch Brothers and their financial involvement in practically everything related to the parTEA. Now thanks to the current dramas surrounding the debt ceiling debates, the name Grover Norquist is floating around the media circles almost everyday. It seems as if he has the majority of GOP members under some "pledge" to never raise taxes.

    He's not even a politician, but a lobbyist who was born into a wealthy family in the 1950s. He's also the man behind "Americans for Tax Reform" whose primary goal is to reduce the percentage of the GDP consumed by the federal government. Which I find pretty ironic since the six big banks own 64% of the nation's GDP at this present time, when five years ago it was only 17.1%. Plus, it's stated that he opposes all tax increases as a matter of principle. So regardless if collecting revenue from taxes are necessary for a nation to survive, he's naturally going to be against it... just because.

    Simon Johnson: Tunnel Vision, or Worse, From Banking Regulators - NYTimes.com

    All I want to know is just how influential this man is supposed to be in Politics for so many politicians to bend to his wills? He's just another man with money who can make some conservative circles fall in or out of line with another politician's election campaigns. With all of the so-called behind the scene players coming out of the darkness, I used to think it was just all about politicians following the money. Now I'm starting to feel that their actions are much more severe. :eek:

    Norquist. Koch. ALEC. Time to start connecting some dots here.
     
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    Is he a person or an anagram?
     
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    Repb. flim flam man, Nixon devotee, and a powerful antitax nut job. Iranian wife which by all accounts should disqualify him as a Repb. I think he use to be on Bill Mahr some years ago.
     
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    He's indicative of how U.S. politics have been completely captured by monied interests.
     
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    Kinda like the people who founded ALEC. People who were all from the Nixon era and lost election bids.
     
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    And Governor Squirt will be his name for now on. Thanks, Cal! :biggrin:
    Although "Rovers Torquing" sounds pretty silly too.
     
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    Grover Norquist wants nothing less than to destroy the US government, if needed, to abolish Medicare, SS and Medicaid. He is as said before a true nut job that holds considerable sway in the Republican Party.
     
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    "Governor Squirt" decided when he was in high school that taxes were a bad thing. He makes all Republicans take the "no new taxes" pledge. That is why they are so uniform in their decision not to increase taxes (period). This is according to Bill Mahr who spoke about it on his show this past Friday.
     
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    This is interesting - Grover Norquist vs. Chris Matthews - Hardball
    "Governor Squirt" goes on some ideological morality tear about taxes, but dodges questions left & right especially when it comes to the debt ceiling and the possibility of our country going into default. As usual, he goes into the usual banter about spending and ignores the proven arithmetic that shows a country needs to generate revenue in order to balance out any of the spending the government engages in.

    Matthews also brings up a very interesting point:
    Currently 16% of the GDP comes in through tax revenue (and an alarming 64% of it is now owned by six of the big banks). 24% of it is going out in spending. That's obviously a problem. The balance budget amendment that the Republicans are about to propose in Congress (that has no chance in passing the Senate and also faces a veto threat by the President) puts the GDP revenue to 18%, which is actually lower than the rate established by the Paul Ryan plan that they voted for in huge numbers. But because Norquist is such a blind ideologue who wants to "shrink government until it is small enough to drown", he wouldn't even want to see a tax rate hike of 2% to equate to the legislation.

    In fact, Squirt can't barely bring himself to even say the word "default". :rolleyes:

    Forty one Senators and 235 House members all signed this pledge, swearing allegiance to this one lobbyist and going by misconstrued messages about the "American People" from the 2010 election (which they swear was about spending and not JOB CREATION) instead of doing what they say now on this issue, which is raise taxes on at least the wealthiest 1%.

    We all know that the debt ceiling is going to be raised. But damn. All of this theatrical nonsense over a routine procedure that has happened more than 70 times since JFK with no issues whatsoever. Could this be one of the reasons why our nation is fucked up right now?
     
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    Wasn't he on the Muppet Show and Sesame Street?
     
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    There was the possibility of getting the two mixed up, as one is a puppet and the other is a lovable creature from a children's show . That's why we have to thank Calboner for coming up with "Governor Squirt" as a way to differentiate between them. :biggrin1:
     
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    Oh!! Him! Saw him on Jim Lehrer - who tore him apart - a couple of weeks ago. Loon!
     
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    I had that same thought but didn't know quite how to phrase it. I don't see Brooks as conservative at least not in today's climate.
     
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    Norquist is possibly one of 2 things.

    He is what the Republicans want because he has the Muslim wife, he's gotten on the advisory board of GOProud (a conservative gay group) so he's got a foot in the Democrat's door (while being shoved out the other side's traveling SUV) and can get a few voters that are unhappy with the current state of things.

    Or he may be what they are using as a distraction, get people worked up over Norquist and then put forward a less threatening agenda by whichever candidate the Republicans have selected.

    Either way the Republicans are using him and he's enjoying every minute of it.
     
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    You're probably right.
    But I also have a third theory... considering that the ultimate goal is the White House, he could be yet another one of the pawns that are trying to get Rick Perry to run for the nomination.

    It's clear that he has major influence on the conservative side (as demonstrated by the ridiculous pledge he had the majority of them sign). That probably means as a lobbyist he has the ability to generate lots of cash for any politician's campaign. Most of the current GOP hopefuls are at a point where they can't generate much more campaign funds (besides Romney who seems to have no friends at this point), and even his efforts pale in comparison to Obama's fundraising efforts at this point. Many of the major conservative sources have not made any major contributions yet, which means they're waiting for the right person to enter into the race.

    Plus Norquist is on record supporting him.
    GOP Globalism: Grover Norquist Awaits Rick Perry’s Presidential Candidacy

    Then, of course, we have Palin who is positioning herself so that she can take her allegiance of fans and tell them who to vote for... and you have many of Newt Gingrich's staff running over to Perry once his campaign failed upon launch. Then there's the massive "Prayer Concert" or whatever that's supposed to be that is being led by Perry in a couple of weeks. Etc, etc...

    I could go on, but whatever. Who knows what's going to happen, but from what I can see I think this is the political game plan that is unraveling before us.
     
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