Who will be the next American President ?

[B_Italian1]

I don't have a clue who the next president will be. I'm not even sure who to vote for at this point.

My answer: It doesn't matter who the next president is. Real change takes place slowly in the United States. Our government is designed to work that way.

I agree with that. And no US president will ever make 300 million people happy. We are all way too different, which isn't a bad thing.

A little self-absorbed, don't you think? If you or a member of your family were serving in the US armed forces, and especially if they were among the thousands of Americans who have been killed or wounded in the war that our current president started, I doubt that you would say that it "doesn't matter" who is president.

I don't find it self absorbed. I think it's real. The war was started on 9/11, and we did nothing to deserve it. In a perfect world, the world I'd like to live in, there would be no war. It will never happen. I've had relatives in World War I, II, Korea, and Iraq, but none in the Vietnam war. What the candidates say and what they actually do about this current war is something we won't find out until next year or later.

 

[Calboner]

I don't find it self absorbed. I think it's real. The war was started on 9/11, and we did nothing to deserve it.

"The war"? Oh, of course, when we were attacked by Iraq on 9/11. How silly of me to forget that.

 

[ManlyBanisters]

The war was started on 9/11, and we did nothing to deserve it.

False and false - this is not the thread to discuss it but I can't leave those two huge falsehoods sitting there uncommented on.

No one deserverd the specifics of what happened in the WTC/Pentagon attacks but to say that America (assuming you mean America the nation by 'we') did nothing to deserve the hostility that motivated those attacks is, at best, hugely naïve.

And if you are talking about the current Iraqi 'conflict' - I believe it started March 2003 - the 19th I think, without looking it up, but I may be wrong.

 

[Principessa]

Since I reached voting age I've been through Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. None of them has had a significant positive or negative effect on my or my family's well-being. Why? I'm a white man who went to college. I hate to say it, but I'm at the top of the food chain in every way that counts and no single officeholder at any level can do very much to harm me. :chairshot: How nice for you. I don't apologize for it and I work at my own level to change things, but that's the way it is. :rippedhand:

My answer: It doesn't matter who the next president is. Real change takes place slowly in the United States. Our government is designed to work that way.

I love my country but that is a darn poor design. :usa2: It's no longer working as our founding fathers intended. It's time to bring in new architects. The primarys are merely a way of taking bids for the job.

 

[alex8.5]

I don't think I want any of them in the Oval office, they are all useless politicians. But I think Clinton has a good chance of taking it.

 

[TitanicJake]

Who will win??? McCain

Who do I want? Obama

I saw Obama speek at the NJEA Conference last summer. I read both of his books. During a time of few true leaders, I believe in my heart that he could begin the healing and bridge a class/economic gap that more than any other candidate. Obama has sense and leads with both the mind & the heart. I believe in him. I believe he will surround himself with a group of leaders that are knowledgeable, experienced, and are not in it for profit.

There are few genuine people in Washington. I feel Barak Hussein Obama is the genuine article. Is he balck enough? Who cares! Is he white enough? Who cares! Is he experienced enough? YES Especially compared to the man sitting in that chair today. I truly believe that Obama could NEVER do worse than our current President.
Jake
If you enjoy a good read I suggest reading Dreams from My Father

 

[B_Italian1]

"The war"? Oh, of course, when we were attacked by Iraq on 9/11. How silly of me to forget that.

Not to sound like Britney Spears, but Iraq is not that innocent. There are terrorists everywhere, and we are trying to get at all of the various sources.

No one deserverd the specifics of what happened in the WTC/Pentagon attacks but to say that America (assuming you mean America the nation by 'we') did nothing to deserve the hostility that motivated those attacks is, at best, hugely naïve.

It's not naive. We didn't deserve it.

 

[Industrialsize]

Not to sound like Britney Spears, but Iraq is not that innocent. There are terrorists everywhere, and we are trying to get at all of the various sources.



It's not naive. We didn't deserve it.

Without saying we deserved to be attacked........I think a productive discussion CAN be had about what the USA has done to foment such hatred among a portion of the Islamic world......and if there is anything we can/need to do to change it.

 

[Mem]

We've never had a bald President (not recently, anyway) and we've never had a President with an odd name. This does not look good for Obama and McCain; but then again we've never had a woman.:wink:

 

[rob_just_rob]

It's not naive. We didn't deserve it.

It's always the other guy's fault, right?

With that attitude, there will never be a rapprochement between the USA and mainstream Islam. Which, of course, suits both the leaders of the USA and of radical Islam just fine.

 

[Industrialsize]

It's always the other guy's fault, right?

With that attitude, there will never be a rapprochement between the USA and mainstream Islam. Which, of course, suits both the leaders of the USA and of radical Islam just fine.

We agree on something!..:tongue:

 

[pdxman]

IT WILL BE McCain. Want a democratic prez but dems fuck up again and nominate an unelectable candidate.

 

[B_Nick4444]

Without saying we deserved to be attacked........I think a productive discussion CAN be had about what the USA has done to foment such hatred among a portion of the Islamic world......and if there is anything we can/need to do to change it.

We have been funding the Israelis and supplying them with weaponry, which in turn is used by them to kill Arab women and children, and have supported them in their dispossession of Palestinian land, all in accord with their tribalistic ideology ... the Arabs, in turn, react in accord within the terms of their tribalistic ideology

Thinking observers warned Truman at the outset that recognition of the new Israeli state would create problems with the Arab world ... at the time it was prediction of 2 or 4-cylinder cars ... subsequent history showed it wouldn't be that ... it would be our creating Osama Bin-Laden as the figure he is, in playing him as our card against the Russians in Afghanistan

 

[JustAsking]

Not to sound like Britney Spears, but Iraq is not that innocent. There are terrorists everywhere, and we are trying to get at all of the various sources...

Iraq was surely not innocent in a lot of things. However Saddam's regime was a secular one in a country of multiple Islamic sects. That last thing Saddam needed was any kind of Islamic extremism in his country. In fact the Shia, who are a minority in the Muslim world, are a majority in Iran and Iraq. Being second fiddle for centuries, they have a lot of anger stored up. Saddam had to work hard to keep a cork in that bottle, and he did it with the iron hand of his secular Baathist minority party.

In our infinite wisdom, we went to war with the only regime in the middle east that was hostile to Islamic extremism, and in so doing, we pulled the cork out of the bottle and now Iran has a nice new playground full of all their friends. At the same time, we count as our friends Saudi Arabia, where most of the 9/11 terrorists came from, and Pakistan where Al Qaeda is thriving in open defiance to the world.

This, by the way, is no secret to anyone. Many people knew it at the time, and everyone knows it now.

Of all the reasons to go to war with Iraq, Islamic terrorism was not one of them.

We've never had a bald President (not recently, anyway) and we've never had a President with an odd name. This does not look good for Obama and McCain; but then again we've never had a woman.:wink:

There was a time in my lifetime when we all said we had never had a Catholic President. When JFK was running, it was a big deal for a lot of people. JFK had to give a lot of speeches to convince people why he would not be serving two masters: the USA and the Pope. So I am not sure if all these "firsts" are that important.

 

[midlifebear]

Since I reached voting age I've been through Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. None of them has had a significant positive or negative effect on my or my family's well-being. Why? I'm a white man who went to college. I hate to say it, but I'm at the top of the food chain in every way that counts and no single officeholder at any level can do very much to harm me. I don't apologize for it and I work at my own level to change things, but that's the way it is.

My answer: It doesn't matter who the next president is. Real change takes place slowly in the United States. Our government is designed to work that way.

HickBoy obviously interned with the Trilateral Commission.

 

[Dave NoCal]

Currently want Obama but was supporting Edwards. I'll vote for Clinton with few reservations but I think Obama actually has a better chance of winning. He is energizing the youth vote, she's energizing the mouth foamers.I never have and never will vote for a republican, period!

I think Obama would beat McCain, but have a lingering fear that, if a democrat takes it, sometime between November 4th and the inauguration we will have a conveniently timed "terrorist attack" which will "necessitate" a declaration a martial law and a continuation of this nightmare into the indefinite future. The only thing that reassures me, somewhat, on this score is that the rats are jumping ship. They would stay if they foresaw more goodies coming thier way.

Dave

 

[Industrialsize]

RATS jumping ship:

February 01, 2008
Read More: Antics
Jail, Congress, same thing
Craig Shirley, Republican strategist, on House Republicans retiring in mass exodus: "With all the corruption of Congress, some might think it resembles a jail break more than a massive retirement," he joked to Real Clear Politics.

(I spend too much time reading political blogs)

 

[B_Italian1]

Without saying we deserved to be attacked........I think a productive discussion CAN be had about what the USA has done to foment such hatred among a portion of the Islamic world......and if there is anything we can/need to do to change it.

There is nothing we can do to change it.

They hate just about everything about us:
our freedom, gays, women's rights, legal porn, Christians, Jews, our flag, our music, Republicans, Democrats, Disney World, Made in America..........

If we were more like them they'd be happy.
If we didn't have freedom of speech they'd be happy.
If we all disappeared they'd be happy.

I don't think any of us want to go backwards.

 

[playainda336]

I'll vote for Clinton with few reservations but I think Obama actually has a better chance of winning.

Why would you vote for Clinton if you want Obama to win?!

There is nothing we can do to change it.

They hate just about everything about us:
our freedom, gays, women's rights, legal porn, Christians, Jews, our flag, our music, Republicans, Democrats, Disney World, Made in America..........

If we were more like them they'd be happy.
If we didn't have freedom of speech they'd be happy.
If we all disappeared they'd be happy.

I don't think any of us want to go backwards.

I'm pretty sure we weren't attacked because of our "freedoms" and they wanted us to be like them.

They're attacking us because we want THEM to be like US. They're happy in their country, we should leave them alone. We've been over in that area maliciously LONG before 9/11...they hate us because of our international policies and relations.

WE are the ones who need to change that.

 

[Dave NoCal]

I simply meant that I will vote for Obama in the primary day after tomorrow. However, if Clinton gets the nomination, I will vote for her with few reservations.
Dave