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Discussion in 'Politics' started by slurper_la, Nov 15, 2009.
The Big Fib - Michael Hebert - Open Salon
Duh... It's been the biggest lie in politics since 1985 and mainstream Republican voters are just starting to catch on. Maybe the party will split into two parts. I don't see how normal conservative people can stay in bed with Palin and Limbaugh much longer.
I liked the guy's other blog post. Help! My Kids Watched the Obama Back to School Speech! - Michael Hebert - Open Salon
No difference between the Republicrats and Demicans, two heads of the same progressive socialist party. The Left vs. Right, Dems vs. Reps is just a show to hide the true agenda of subjugation and enslavement of the US citizen.
Er, wait a sec. Republicans are part of a Progressive party?
Absolutely, Republican party is nothing more than an Illusion of opposition. BIG government has only gotten bigger under ALL presidents of the last 100yrs. Even the republicans "sacred" Pres. Ronald Reagan is guilty of this.
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
I don't think Thomas Jefferson could anticipate the current state of World Geo-politics. That DE-regulation of the country's financial/banking system didn't go so well.
Yes he did,
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Anyone who claims they got where they are through hard work and yet pay some poor immigrant woman minimum wages to clean up their personal shit - now that is hard work. Rerpublicans tell the poor to take resposnsibility yet soon as they hit a minor problem they call in the lawyers. And yes, they do sleep at night. Sad.
Banks already control the issue of currency and they routinely manipulate the market.
Hell, the Federal Reserve has been doing it for years.
Obviously, you're not aware that this is exactly what banks were allowed to do more directly than now. And I tend to agree with your suspicions. All banks printed their own paper notes until the a national banking crises threw the USA into a depression in the late 1880s. I forget when the US Treasury wrested control of franking currency in the USA. I need to look it up. But indeed, that is what was necessary to pry the US economy out of a deep economic hole in the late 1800s.
Now, for a bit of coincidence and irony. I own two (count 'em, two) $5 Zions Bank notes that were printed back in "the day" when banks could print their own paper currency and supposedly back it with gold. Zions Bank Corporation is the banking and financial arm of the LDS church, AKA the mormons. The first time I had those ancient bank notes appraised I was offered more than $1,000 each -- by representatives of the LDS church who tried to bluff me into believing that despite the turns and twists of the USA's economic history, the old bank notes were still -- legally -- property of Zions Bank. Not true. Complete out right lie. But then, I was dealing with sweet spirits representing their church whose job it is to find paper documents (they haven't found any golden plates in a long time) for the LDS Church's archives. A real appraisal from a rare currency and coins business in Los Angeles suggested that I insure the old $5 notes for about $25,000 in 1974. They have been re-appraised and re-insured for much more since then and reside in a safe place far from mormon hands.
The irony? Zions Bank Corporation was just listed as the largest and worst performing financial institution last week, despite having received bunches of money from the Stimulus Package. Bank of America, which is no stellar performer, showed better signs of life. If Zions Bank doesn't pull itself out of whatever deep hole is has dug itself into, it will be another large bank failure probably by the end of the first quarter 2010. Just imagine, the bank The State of Ewetaw banks with failing? Actually, the State of Ewtaw may be comingling monies with other local banks. The State changes banks when offered better rates, but I'm reasonably confident that Zions is currently the State's bank. Even worse, Zions is the preferred personal bank by most mormons. However, worse things have happened behind the Zion Curtain.
As for who is a Republican? Well, I was a serious, hard working Young Republican for Goldwater and still sympathized with everything Republican until 1973. It was that Watergate thing that made me stop and smell the burning banana peels (and take the occasional toke). I'm still not a registered Democrat; although I have more faith in the current administration than those 8 years of Bush and his lord and master, Darth Cheney.
I, however, do see a real difference in the core ideals of the two partays! I'd love to see some of the old, defused government regulations put back in place, starting with strong-arm controls of the Nation's airlines. They are more a part of the country's infrastructure utilities than free-market specials. CEOs of all US airlines are famous for recommending their employees NOT to buy stock in their own companies. Even Howard Hughs had to take a major loss when he sold "The Big Banana" -- Hughs Air. And that was in the days one could make a marginal profit from owning shares of PanAm and TWA (who? what? anyone remember those airlines?)
I am a registered member of the Republican Party.
Why? Because elections are a game, and to win a game does not always mean playing offense, it sometimes means playing defense, especially in a voting system as antiquated as the one in America.
In the last Presidential caucuses, I accounted for 25% of my precinct, and was able to sway another 25% (1 person) to a candidate I believed *less* likely to win the general election.
Besides, I am going to love speaking at the next caucuses if Palin is anywhere near the ticket.
omg hahahahahahahaha :rofl: i can't stop laughing.
The Republican party no longer has any real purpose for existence except to block legislation and hate Obama. They are out of ideas, leaders and a philosophy other than "NO".
and as former president Lyndon Johnson liked to say: "I love small parties. I love the Republican party".
From your lips to God's ears, Lyndon.
I considered myself a Republican for most of my life, mostly due to growing up in a fairly conservative family. I was never as crazy to the right as say my father, but I certainly believed in right-wing issues. However, I was much softer on abortion and gay marriage, believing abortion had its place in certain circumstances and that gay marriage didn't bother me in the slightest, so why should I be concerned if Adam and Steve got married? That said, I considered myself a slightly-right-leaning independent last year and by the time Obama took office, I was jaded of the Republican party. My beliefs are almost now all completely in line with the Democratic party, though I still consider myself independent.
And in a way, even though I see myself as agreeing with Dems on many issues, I consider myself a conservative. Not that I don't believe government should not have a place at the table. Instead, I use a different meaning for "conservative" - being smart, equal, and rule-following. In other words, I don't mind if the government wants to tax me for a single-payer health care system. But they better manage it smartly, ensure equality (though excellent equality), and not twist the rules to win over groups of people. Sure, it's a long stretch for any politician to want to follow that strategy, but I can hope, right?
What an ironic reversal of roles!
WTF are you talking about? Who do Republicans pay to "clean up their shit"? Because, as we know, all immigrant jobs are demeaning and horrible. Immigrants are all forced into their horrible demeaning jobs by Republicans, after they are forced to immigrate. Further, Republicans (and Republicans only) then "take advantage" of these immigrants by paying them their asking price for the service they choose to offer. Then, on top off all this, you point out that when a Republican goes to work they don't actually work, they just take advantage of people. All the Republicans out framing houses, maintaining the sewer lines, cleaning pools, or landscaping are actually just faking it. Or better yet, they are all Democrats.
Just for clarification: what problems are Republicans calling in lawyers for?
I have this image of you lying in bed curled up in a pair of feetsy-PJ's while your mommy reads you a story:
Cruztbone's Mommy: "Crawl in," said the Republican, "and see whether it's got hot enough for us to put the bread in." And when Gretel was in, she'd close the oven and Gretel would be baked, and then she'd eat her too. But Gretel saw what the Republican was up to, and said: "I don't know how to. How do I get inside?"
I don't really see how people can be so adamantly and universally against government involvement in the US economy. The conservative media talks about it as though it's some genocidal entity from Mars or something. If they weren't involved I'd just move to Europe or Japan or Canada and pay my evil taxes over there.
Well, except that I wouldn't even be able to move out of the US if there was no government. Since there'd be no socialist education system for me to know what's going on; and there'd be no socialist electric grid for me to get my news and power from; and there'd be no socialist pre-internet project 40 years ago that would lead to me listening to such intelligent anti-"government" bloggers making vague rants; and there'd be no public socialist roads for me to drive to the airport; and wait, there wouldn't even be any socialist airport assuming I could even get anywhere.
Come to think of it, we'd probably still be trading slaves due to a lack of any foreign industrial investment whatsoever if we had previously listened to universally anti-government propaganda that's spewed today.
You, sir, make a ridiculously strong point.
So says a man from a precinct of tens of thousands of people whose vote doesn't count for sh*t.
Channelwood and Guy_Jin:
This was a favorite way to mess with Republican'ts in Ewetaw during the party primaries until the Republican'ts decided to make them "closed" elections, meaning one had to be a registered Republican't -- and prove it -- to vote.
There was this one guy, Monson, who ran for Congress as a Republican't years ago. He won. Then after a couple of years he decided his insurance/Realty business interests were hurting so he resigned office. His personal interests were more important than his political ones. He couldn't be bothered. Then he decided six years later to run a second time for Congress as a Republican't. Until then, no one really paid much attention to who voted in the party primaries, but hoards of Ewetaw Democrats showed up and made certain that Monson would not be a contender in the final elections. This pissed off the Republican'ts so much that they changed the rules and insisted that everyone who showed up to the State Republican't Convention show their allegiance-to-the-party cards and secret decoder rings before voting in the general primaries.
To their credit, the Democrats have yet to show such insecurity and welcome everyone to vote in the primary.
a> you still live with your parents
b> are under 25
c> live in one of the "developed European nations" nee racist immigration and employment policies, living within the cofers of socialist system of under 10 million ppl (less than the city of Philadelphia)
d> is jealous of ... life in general
e> all the above.
Think I'm pretty close on this one... moreover, just angry at life in general, and forget the above 5.