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Discussion in 'Politics' started by b.c., Feb 26, 2010.
Before Health Care Summit, GOP Wants Its Table - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
Pathetic, isn't it?
I'm angry, aghast, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised at all
For fuck's sake, is the appropo statement.
Reminds me of when the Reps bitched that Obama had a huge stage and podium for the DNC in Mile High Stadium... Man, talk about a hater's convention. The Reps were clearly jealous because when they had their convention, their vastly smaller arena had empty seats.
Huumph no surprise. After getting their clocks cleaned by Obama last month they certainly didn't want that to happen again and FauxNews would have to cut to commercial for the entire summit.
^Indeed... You know you got your ass handed to when your opponent has emasculated you to the point that when he's done you're curled up in the fetal position, sucking your thumb crying about how you got 'lectured' by the big scary black guy who is smarter and more informed on the issues than any of the angry old white men in the room.
Can't you just imagine what will come of Fox News hiring Sarah Palin to "study" under Glenn
Beck?? There we have two opinionated, uneducated ass holes.
^You forget. Conservatives looove to elect someone they perceive to be just like themselves.
I feel sorry for the poor bastards that had to move that table off of the truck. Truly one of the largest tables that I have ever seen.
Sorry, but us "pubtards" can always use a filibuster and prevent any law from passing. Maybe, just maybe, if the liberals propose one good law, we'll let it pass. Until then, the trend of filibustering all proposals will continue. It's the democratic way.
You can all be deluded by Obama's good speaking, but meanwhile we are sticking to the facts and giving the people what they really want... and they don't want healthcare reform. I don't need any fancy statistics. From what I see, the system works just fine as it is, so why mess with it? If I ever get sick, my private health insurance will take care of me. That's a good enough reason for me.
It can't be working too well. Your insurance can only afford partial care at the funny farm or else you'd be under sedation right now.
the facts are that 56% of people actually approve of a public option, and people agree with an average of 71% of the main things in the current bill when specifically asked about those.
and some fancy statistics:
the US has 101,000 insurance-caused annual deaths that are considered preventable, which translates to 277 a day and probably 1 person by the time you finish reading this post.
We spend $7500/person, which is twice what "socialist" France spends. In fact, the US spends more on private insurance per person alone than France's total expenditures per person.
Premiums over the last decade have risen 4x faster than income
1,500,000 people annually are forced to foreclose their homes due to health-related costs.
50% of our entire health care expenditure is spent on 3% of patients. The Institute of Medicine and pretty much any other credible source says that this is inarguably due to out-of-pocket payments (almost all of which regards private insurance contracts) discouraging people from regularly visiting their doctor.
I could go on, but really, what's the point? If you aren't convinced by this then you certainly won't be convinced by anything
No, I'm not convinced. Republicans will still filibuster socialized healthcare it to death because it needs to be done. It's how democracy works; We are giving the people what they really want. I am sure that the Dems will try a sneaky move like reconciliation (which the GOP has never used before) to get a bill can get passed with just 51 votes. This is NOT democracy and typical of a fascist party. As GOP Sen. Mitch McConnell said, "the American people do not want this bill to pass." Do you know more than he does?
Have you not seen the protests against communist healthcare? Have you not heard about the death panels? If you can tear yourself away from MSNBC and watch Fox News for a minute, you would see the other side of reality--the real world. Look at the protests and then tell me that the US wants radical Nazi reform.
Americans are angry that this bill is being crammed down their throats. Like McConnell said, "We know more about this issue than you do." The public is angry at this congress, and especially this Administration. Many democrats will vote against this bill, but if it's not enough then us Republicans will use amendment after amendment to slow this process down until it fails. Giving people what they want is how democracy works.
Okay this mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, shit for brains sack of crap has finally worn down my last nerve. First this shithead states that no Republican leaders have ever had any sex scandals and now he claims that the Republicans have never used reconciliation when even other neocons on here admit that it has been used. Add to that he still believes all the fecal matter that spewed from Palin's piehole about death panels and it's clear...RanDUMBness is the dumbest person in the whole fucking universe. Time to take a handful of VB's headache cure and do away with this waste of flesh called RanDUMBness. Some advice for you before I do away with you...take an enema and increase your I.Q. you dumbass.
The majority of people actually WANT a public option. This isn't even up for debate and frankly I find it astounding that this "the people don't want it" propaganda hasn't died yet.
Most support public option for health insurance, poll finds - washingtonpost.com
and yeah, name-calling ("communist health care," "radical Nazi," "fascist party") doesn't substitute for factual argument. The facts are that 1/6 of our country is uninsured and we rank 37th in the world, yet we spend twice the OECD average. I could go on, but all that you should really even need to see reason was in my last post. It's pretty clear from the way you express your views that you obviously aren't going to listen to any "commie socialist nazi reformist" that prefers all those "fancy statistics" over their gut feeling or anecdotal articles.
Jesus this Gipper fellow is slow as molasses on a cold day.
Tonight on 'State of the Union,' Candy relayed that 3 out of every 4 Americans think the bill needs to be started over from scratch - and she confronted Nancy Pelosi about that statistic. Pelosi changed the subject, of course.
If 3 out of 4 Americans want us to start over - then why are the Democrats so intent on slamming this through?
The OP suggests that it is the repubs that are disallowing anything to get passed.
When 75% of the American people are on the same side of the republicans, why would any rational person become frustrated and blame the minority party for its failure?
It is clearly something that the large majority of the country doesn't want either.
This thread is a clear demonstration of partisan politics. For once - perhaps - listen to what the people are saying and tune out Nancy Pelosi.
All you assholes want someone else to pay for your health care -- everyone should pay for what they get & don't expect someone else to pay for it-what will you want next ---free internet ???? -when will you realize nothing is free--what an asshole obama is ........................
The internet is already free in many areas.
Some cities even offer a form of citywide free internet to its people.
Considering that you don't even know this, it kinda makes me wonder whether or not we'd want your putrid share of tax money going towards ANYTHING remotely humane.
I have searched High and Low on the internet and could not find one poll that asserts what you say.
That's exactly what I'm getting at. 70% of people don't want this bill when asked, yet they agree with 71% of what's in it. Most people don't even know what's in the bill. My grandparents still think there's a line in there saying "death panels: kill grandma and grandpa." The average person is financially illiterate and you can't expect someone's blind opinion to mean as much as a professional's.
Pelosi's a career politician that I'd never vote for, and I don't see how discrediting the House Speaker's morality somehow discredits the content of a bill, which in fact isn't "left" enough. So please, enough of the talking points. It's not like you're on television.