Why are conservatives so pretentious?

[englad]

I did enjoy seeing a slanted question and then of course the follow pile on. This is how you’re going to make people see your side?

From my perspective someone who is conservative, the Republicans sucks and the democrats blow. But a few thoughts.

Do conservatives care about other people? Of course which is why I give to charity and volunteer. I just don’t believe that it should be the government’s job, I don’t believe it’s compassion when it is forced compassion. I don’t agree with evangelicals who think they’re holy and crap because I have seen too many mega churches where the donations don’t go to helping people.

I believe the government is responsible for equality of opportunity however not equality of outcome. Opportunity is taking away hurdles of societal structure. Hiring practices which are discrimination in nature comes to mind. Equality of outcome, which is disagree with is saying that the society is obligated to ensure someone is successful and if need be take an opportunity away from one person to give to another in the guise of fairness.

What you are describing and suggesting here is the philosophy of the ruling classes in late 19th century Europe, especially in the UK, the outcomes were not pretty. Look at any societal literature depicting working class life and you'll see exactly why. Charles Dickens, Thomas Hardy, Emile Zola etc. They relied heavily on philanthropists and the results were grinding poverty, an average working class life expectancy of 29 years old, overcrowded slums, rampant disease and work houses.

 

[creek47]

The weekend, the 40 hour work week, higher pay? That was from the private sector before government became involved. Henry Ford understood that better conditions meant a better product, better employees and better profits. Companies are expanding maturity leave higher than government mandates to keep and bring in the best employees. The great philanthropy of John D. Rockefeller.

As a whole do some take advantage? Of course however when in doubt less government interaction is better in my mind. This shouldn’t be an absolute and in no way am I saying there should be no government interaction or intervention such as Teddy Roosevelt and busting Trusts and Monopolies. But as a whole government often is the problem.

 

[englad]

The weekend, the 40 hour work week, higher pay? That was from the private sector before government became involved. Henry Ford understood that better conditions meant a better product, better employees and better profits. Companies are expanding maturity leave higher than government mandates to keep and bring in the best employees. The great philanthropy of John D. Rockefeller.

As a whole do some take advantage? Of course however when in doubt less government interaction is better in my mind. This shouldn’t be an absolute and in no way am I saying there should be no government interaction or intervention such as Teddy Roosevelt and busting Trusts and Monopolies. But as a whole government often is the problem.

Yep, and what the governments have done over here since World War Two, is provide us with free at the point of issue/socialised health care (and at a lower per capita cost than in the USA), 25 paid days of leave a year (minimum in Europe is 20 days a year). Most countries here have extremely generous maternity leave (between 6 months and a year). Many have free child care. An unemployment system where you aren't forced into absolute poverty, and in the country I'm living in we even have free college tuition. There is also no fire at will policy, there is protection against discrimination based on your sexual orientation/gender identity. After two years of work contracts, you have to be provided with an unlimited contract. So all things in balance, I think the government does a better job than the private sector does.

I think it is naive to view the government as an overbearing monster, when it provides value for money services and to conversely trust in the good intentions of very wealthy business owners.

 

[IntactMale]

If one of the major beliefs of a political party is that the government can't do as a good of a job in some capacity as the private sector, then that party will never do a good job in that capacity as it would disprove its own beliefs.

 

[Klingsor]

The weekend, the 40 hour work week, higher pay? That was from the private sector before government became involved.

More specifically, from workers standing up against their private sector employers.

 

[englad]

And just before any American conservatives come with the standard excuses, oh it can't be done here or oo it costs too much money, or we're too big a place etc. I am just going to post some pics of what several major European cities looked like when the modern welfare state was set up:

Here's my adopted city:

Coventry:

Rotterdam:

 

[englad]

More specifically, from workers standing up against their private sector employers.

Goes to show what workers' unions can achieve.

 

[b.c.]

This story made my day. Young Mr. Hogg using Twitter managed to torpedo three of Laura's top sponsors, and is circulating a list of the others. It is going viral and appears to be working. I don't think these kids are going to fold anytime soon.

Laura Ingraham loses advertisers after criticizing Parkland student...

'Those companies pulling their ads include Office Depot, TripAdvisor, Expedia, Hulu, Johnson & Johnson, Wayfair, Nestlé and Nutrish. A spokesman for TripAdvisor said the company doesn't "condone the inappropriate comments made by this broadcaster. In our view, these statements focused on a high school student, cross the line of decency."

 

[b.c.]

According to an article appearing today on dailykos.com, Laura has now lost eighteen sponsors, and is now, reportedly, "Going on vacation."

Laura Ingraham Says She’ll Take Vacation Amid Controversy – Variety

Bon voyage?

 

[phonehome]

It was just about a year ago that Bill O'reilly went on his "regularly scheduled vacation" and never came back

 

[keenobserver]

Frank Stallone, the younger brother of Sylvester Stallone attacked Parkland shooting survivor David Hogg on twitter. https://www.thewrap.com/frank-stallone-calls-david-hogg-headline-grabbing-punk-twitter-punches-back/ .

One response of Twitter that stood out was "We'll boycott him - what car wash does he work at?"

 

[Klingsor]

I'm not necessarily comfortable with high school kids suddenly having that much power.

But, you know . . . they get shot at enough times, that's kind of what happens. You don't like it, you should have addressed the problem earlier.

 

[Fuzzy_]

Laura Ingraham loses advertisers after criticizing Parkland student...

'Those companies pulling their ads include Office Depot, TripAdvisor, Expedia, Hulu, Johnson & Johnson, Wayfair, Nestlé and Nutrish. A spokesman for TripAdvisor said the company doesn't "condone the inappropriate comments made by this broadcaster. In our view, these statements focused on a high school student, cross the line of decency."

Why didn't Ingram's viewers demand an apology from her?

While the Left has stayed fairly consistent in their policy and methodology, the Right has steadily radicalized since the 60s. The more they witness social change, the more they rebel.

As an example, here's the 1956 Republican platform:

• Assistance to low-income communities
• Protect Social Security
• Provide asylum for refugees
• Extend Minimum wage
• Improve unemployment benefits to cover more people
• Strengthen labor laws so workers can join unions
• Equal pay regardless of sex

The Marxian dialectic suggests that for every large social movement, there's a large backlash. (Basically, two steps forward, one step back). The GOP has been in aggressive backlash mode, causing more policy based on fear and control. The result is loss of liberty, increased policing, more military spending, and war.

These aren't just ground wars overseas, but wars on drugs, immigration, etc. Again, fear and anger rather than science and reason inspiring GOP policy.

 

[fordonfire]

I just recently learned how awful Laura Ingraham is. When she was at Dartmouth in the 80s she outed all the people in the student LGBT group. She was described as one of the most homophobic people you will ever meet. Later she learned that her brother is gay but that has not stopped her from continuing to speak out against gay marriage on Fox news. I suspect she is gay herself (but eternally closeted like Matt Drudge).

 

[b.c.]

NRA board member Ted Nugent says Parkland students ‘have no soul’ - The Washington Post
and...

Russian 'Bots Come Running To Rescue Laura Ingraham

"As companies yank their ads from Fox News commentator Laura Ingraham's show in droves, she continues to draw support from one key Twitter demographic: Russian bots.

On Saturday evening, #istandwithlaura was the top trending hashtag among Twitter accounts linked to Russian influence operations, according to Hamilton 68, a website launched last year that tracks Russian propaganda campaigns in near-real time.

Per the site's data, the frequency with which the accounts tweeted the hashtag jumped by 2800% on Friday and Saturday.

Meanwhile, according to the website botcheck.me, which says it tracks 1500 "political propaganda bots," @ingrahamangle, @davidhogg11, and @foxnews were among the top six Twitter handles Russia-linked accounts tweeted at over the last 24 hours.

At least we know whose side the Russians are on in the debate on regulating assault weapons used to kill American children."
...

Ted Nugent, Fox News, and Russian Bots. Kinda makes one feel all "warm and fuzzy" inside, DOESN'T it???

 

[creek47]

I'm not necessarily comfortable with high school kids suddenly having that much power.

But, you know . . . they get shot at enough times, that's kind of what happens. You don't like it, you should have addressed the problem earlier.

They actually don’t and I’m not sure what law would of prevented that massacre when the school failed, local police failed, the FBI failed. He was supposed to have his weapons taken from him because of mental concerns. So I’m curious, what law would of prevented this massacre?

 

[creek47]

More specifically, from workers standing up against their private sector employers.

That’s overly simplified saying that it was just workers fighting and ignores the Ford Motor Company doing this willingly.

As for the Government being just as good as the private sector i give you the VA, the Postal Service, AMTRAK, and of course the war on poverty which is spent trillions of dollars and has pretty much done nothing to stop poverty.

 

[Chrysippus]

Indeed, but there are multiple reasons why one may admire him. His precise views are not at the forefront of what I admire about him.

Well, exactly what do you admire about Richard Spencer?

 

[Klingsor]

They actually don’t and I’m not sure what law would of prevented that massacre when the school failed, local police failed, the FBI failed. He was supposed to have his weapons taken from him because of mental concerns. So I’m curious, what law would of prevented this massacre?

No law can prevent every massacre. The real question is, what laws might help reduce such occurrences?

 

[creek47]

No law can prevent every massacre. The real question is, what laws might help reduce such occurrences?

That’s where I’m going with this, no law would of prevented this massacre because of all of the failures by law enforcement. The laws in the books right now should stopped Cruz from ever obtaining his weapons. However law enforcement on many levels failed! More so, the responding Law Endorcement used tactics that have been removed from use since the Columbine Massacre. The officers obviously were not well trained as they used the set up the perimeter method and wait for SWAT which was the preferred method from 1966-1999. Since 1999 it was the direct to threat method.

I would like to know what specific law that is not on the books now, would of stopped with massacre.