Why are gays primarily Liberal???

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  1. B_24065

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    Something i've never understood is why those in our society who champion individual freedom (freedom of expression, freedom of choice, etc.,) most, tend to support the political party that wants to expand the role and scope of government? It would seem to me that conservatism, even libertarianism, would be the logical party for the gay community.

    Unfortunately the democratic party has become nothing more than the party of special interest groups. If it were not for them pandering to minority interests, they would never win an election. If i were gay i would find this insincere, pathetic and insulting.
     
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    There is a flaw in your central premise. Conservatives only want to limit the size of government EXCEPT where it concerns "national security" (the definition of which is quite maleable) and what goes on in one's bedroom.

    As a former Republican, and speaking only for myself, I made the switch to the Democrats when the GOP made my sexuality a wedge issue in the 2002 midterm elections and the 2004 presidential election. Other than Prohibition (which, tellingly, was repealed) the Constitution has always been a document which enshrines, protects and ensures citizens' rights. It is not meant to be amended to limit rights, particularly when aimed at a discreet and insular minority. This is the absolute height of intellectual dishonesty and as good a piece of evidence as any that the Republicans and the Conservative movement believe in limited government ONLY to the extent that it comports with their own religious worldview.

    Looking back, I can't believe it took me as long as it did to realize that I never belonged in the GOP.
     
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    The whole notion of republicans wanting to reduce the size of government is mostly a myth. Of course there are those who really do champion such a cause, but it's not shown itself in practise. Instead the republicans have adopted religious fundamentalists into their party and to appease these high-turnout voters, they condemn homosexuality in exchange for votes. So why would the gay community support them?
     
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    Do you read at all? They break on social issues. You'll not find a republican that is (or will admit);

    1. For gays in the military
    2. For gay marriage
    3. For civil unions
    4. Pro-choice
    5. Belief that being gay is somehow acceptable in society
    6. Belief that 2 men (or 2 women) can raise a child together and provide the moral compass the child requires to develop properly
    7. Belief that gays are or can be Christians
    8. Belief that gays are the way they are from birth, rather they believe gays choose that lifestyle

    Here's some fun facts;

    1. Dole returned the campaign donation(s) of the Log Cabin Republicans (gay republican organization)
    2. Cheney won't acknowledge his daughter (a gay)
    3. Christian conservatives believe that Gaydom (their word) is an abomination


    So.. ask yourself, "How could I identify with a party that believes I'm an abomination of mankind?"
     
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    Right on all points. The social conservative wing of the party does not support any kind of 'special' rights for any 'minority'. And it is this wing that has The Voice right now. Others are not welcome.
     
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    Ok, here are some thoughts:

    where did i say the word republican 1 time in my post????

    All i was suggesting was that the "gay" platform (if there was one) would seem to be better served by a politically conservative party rather than a liberal one. in other words, which extreme would a gay person find more accomodating, anarchy or socialism??

    you can be politically conservative and socially liberal. ie. -libertarianism.

    you can be politically liberal and socially conservative. ie. - Nationalism (for lack of a better example)

    liberal/liberal. ie -The US democratic platform

    Conservative/conservative. ie.- the constitution party.

    I personally think both parties a joke. they are both way to politically liberal.

    the idea that the democratic party is for the middle class is a joke. i am middle class, and i dont see how raising taxes on the "evil" fortune 500 company i work for will do anything more than cut my wages, reduce my benefits, and raise the price of everything i can barely afford now.

    cut taxes, reduce govt spending, reduce regulation.

    if you are to stupid or lazy to get an education (which is provided to all who live in this country), get a job and make a living for yourself, THAN TOUGH FUCKING SHIT!!!! your lack of desire to be productive in this life is not mine or anyone elses problem.

    Anyone should be able to sleep with whoever they want as long as its consenting and amoung adults

    Abortion is the single greatest social tragedy is our countries history. yes, over sexism, over racism, over homophobia. Abortion is not about a womens right to choose what she does with her body. its about a womens right to choose what she does with the body inside her body. she is a host, and has no more the right to kill the depentent body inside her as i have the right to starve to death my totally dependent alzheimer ridden grandfather.

    dont give me that "the body inside her isnt a lfe yet" bullshit. how the fuck do you know that?

    the iraq war was never about WMD.

    the iraq war "could" be the most important war in human history. if it proves to stunt and reverse the tide of islamic fascism by birthing democracy in the middle east, than George W Bush will one day be regarded as a great president. Believe that!!!

    If it fails miserably, then we are fucked, fucked, fucked. if anyone loves freedom, western civilization, and all that good stuff, then we have to win over there.

    just a few thoughts. im sure most of you dont care (and you shouldnt). im sure i will right more.

    your thoughts, analysis, criticism are welcome.
     
  7. numberseven

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    My take on the liberal/conservative thing is based on my views, so this is by no means universal... but I am quite liberal, and I don't favor big government. I favor big enough government; I'd like to see a system in which those who cannot take care of themselves are taken care of (which means public education, healthcare, welfare, etc.), but in which I am left alone to do what I want to do. Of course, this view is also predicated on a society made up entirely of altruistic people who are willing to be taxed in order to provide for the common good, which we all know does not exist, certainly not here in America.

    Call me an idealist hippie if you like--but that's what I'd like to see. And I think that this viewpoint may be attractive to many people for whom the common good is of equal or greater value than one's own greed and ambition.
     
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    Thank you for the Mental masturbation.........
     
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    You , sir, are an imbecile, a rube, and a tool.
    NO party has expanded the role and scope of government more than the republican party.
    Republicans have literally TRIPLED the size of federal government- between Reagan/Bush1 and the disaster of Bush 2.

    The past 12 years have seen the republicans completely Abrogate the government's responsibility to regulate commerce ( a violation of the constitution- and the reason Wall Street is failing, the dollar falling and we are in Debt )

    REpublicans have not only created the largest deficits in history- they have also INCREASED the scope of govenrment's intrusion into YOUR life.

    They tap your phone calls, eavesdrop on your emails and internet usage, track YOUR finances, while they refuse to track the finances of corporations.

    They have created watch lists, enemies lists,- done away with due process, and dismissed habeus corpus, - they have created a political prison and tortured, or caused to be tortured, thousands of people with little or no evidence agasint them.

    They have waged war without a declaration on the basis of lies, and made it the prerogative of the president to simply EXEMPT himself from following the law.

    Sorry, pal... but the Democratsd, bad as they are, at least believe in Upholding and defending the constitution...
    And I will point out that the Last president to CUT the size of federal government, the last president to BALANCE the budget and the only president to CUT Welfare... was president Clinton.
    A democrat.


    Republicans Listen to the inane rhetoric of their party leaders... but they are too stupid, lazy or morally shiftless to CHECK their leader's ACTIONS against their CLAIMS.

    Republicans IN OFFICE, are thieves, self loathing closet cocksuckers, and anti American fucks who thwart the constituion at every opportunity for the sole purpose of lining their pockets and the pockets of their friends.

    They are the most elite of elitists... they belong to clubs you can't join, have health benefits they won't allow you to have, enjoy a pension plan you can't buy into, and party with corporate boards at country clubs you canlt set foot on.


    Idiot.
    I am not a minority and I will vote for them.

    Halliburton and ENRON and the Saudi Oil sheiks that Bush holds hands with and refuses to investigate for funding 9/11 are all pretty special interest groups...

    The problem with republicans is they only have ONE special interest.

    SELF INTEREST.

    They could give a fuck about the USA- they could give a fuck about the economy or your job.
    All they give a fuck about is if the stock they hold in corporations they befriend is going to make them rich.

    This is why they picked a secessionist jesus freak from Moosedick, Whoaskedya as their VP.

    Republicans HATE everyone else... they HATE the USA and the constitution...

    its why they can so blithely commit treason without the slightest pang of conscience... and then PARDON the guy who get convicted for obstructing justice....

    ITs why they make media heros out of slack jawed thugs like G Gordon Liddy- and Oliver North...
    Y'know- the kind of fucks that commit burglaries and sell arms illegally, just because their PARTY want's them to....



    Sorry buddy...
    Rebublicans, who used to be the party of small government, have made themselves the party of LARGE graft--- and of universal hatred and fear.
    They are the party of ignorance and intolerance.

    Those "special interest groups" you whine about?

    They are your fellow citizens. And they deserve the same damn rights and protections as everyone else.


    And, BTW, you don't have to be gay to go fuck yourself.
     
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    Brilliant response!!!
     
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    You not being gay, you just don't get it. Might I suggest that you inform yourself on the Republican stance on gay rights. If you then still do not get it, then I get it--you're jusst a little retarded.
     
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    perhaps i wasnt clear the first time....WHERE IN THE FUCK DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY????????
     
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    You know guys, when i posted this very respectful question, i was hoping to get some thoughtful responses from people who do not share my sexual preference, so i could learn something.

    So far ive gotten nothing more than hateful name calling comments from a bunch of intolerant hypocrites.

    Not only have you put words in my mouth and read things into my comment that are CLEARLY not there, but you've responded like a bunch of assholes.

    I should have known better than to even attempt to have an educated conversation with you guys.
     
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    And if you were gay, to use your words... you'd be outraged at the ignorance of the question.
     
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    I fucking hate it when you little douchebags play the victim.

    What a fucking lie.

    You posted a GIANT rant that had little to do with homos and was basically a cliche rant against socialists/democrats.

    Then you try and turn around and act like all your insulting, ignorant cliches, were somehow respectable. When challenged on the fact that it has actually been Republicans that have done the most spending in American history under Bush.. you started to cry like a little pussy. So, yeah, the GOP is the party for pussies... go back to it and stay there.
     
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    My civil rights are not a mental exercise between conservative and liberal.........we have 2 major parties in the USA......the republicans hate us(read their platform)..........
     
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    wow, i give up.

    "outraged at the ignorance of my question"

    is asking why gays are primarily liberal more outrageous than asking why christians are primarily conservative???

    the fact is, you guys are incapable of having educated conversations with anyone different from you.

    Please please please, one of you, please, quote one thing from my original post that you found offensive.
     
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    fyi...if any gay guy doesn't believe that the marriage issue for gays is not funded by the attorney's in this couontry...u may want to reconsider..
    given the stats on the str8 marriages..one out of two ends in divorace...even if the gays have the same stats...its a whole new crop of clients for the divorace attorneys and the estate planners...etc...
    gays will regret this big push to legalize gay marriages..
     
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    and exactly WHY will gay people regret the push to legalize same sex marriage and benefit from all the rights and privleges that come with the goverment recognizing their relationships?
     
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    You quote something where someone disrespected you, between post 2 to post 5.

    It was your second post (#6) in this thread where people started to get pissed at you, because that is where you went on a wildly tangential bush-bot rant.

    Nobody want your bushbot bullshit!! YOu showed your true colors. You weren't here to ask an innocent question... you were here to spout worthless ignorance we are all tired of hearing.

    Islamo-fascism? Give it up!!!

    YOU are the one that derailed your own thread, then when people owned you for it, you cried hypocrisy like a little fucking baby that needs its ass wiped.
     
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