Why are people so angry about circumcision

[curioustitan]

Okay....let me just say...that i've been circumcised... and not angry! So why is everybody else?... Perhaps the focus here should be on botched circumcisions and malpractice within the medical profession. May circumcision practice within the states and Europe is just not up to scratch when compared to say... South Africa. Now, i am most definitely speaking under correction or maybe i just have my head buried in the sand, but there doesn't seem to be much of a Furore on this side when it comes to something so common practice as a little snip.

"i love sam_solo26" and he has a beautifully cut dick!!!!!

 

[mandoman]

If you knew how much sensation left town with that little snip, you'd have your hands around the doctor's throat right now.

 

[curioustitan]

Highly unlikely.... Kissing has always been far more of an erogenous as well as "sensational" experience that any activity my dick could produce.... Sure enough ejaculation is pretty much the pinnacle of sexual sensory overload....but that's just the culmination or result of what got you there in the first place....making out....tonguing....call it what you will, but i would gladly forgo any form of intercourse for an extended session of kissing someone that you're really fucking into....
So i guess i'd have more of problem if this were about 'circucising' the tongue and losing sensation.... but then, that's just my greedy id being let loose.

"i love sam_solo26"

 

[curioustitan]

*circumcising*
Apologies for the apoplectic and spasmodic style of typing and typos.... i was just fantasizing about making out with sam_solo26

"i love sam_solo26"

 

[Sapien]

Okay....let me just say...that i've been circumcised... and not angry! So why is everybody else?...

I also am circumcised but wish I wasn't. I am not angry and I don't think most of the other intactivists are either. I understand the circumstances that lead up to this surgery. All we intactivists are trying to due is make people aware so that they consider the true consequences before making this life altering decision for their newborn sons. It is a very emotional issue and it really is the responses from the pro-circ group that tends to stir up the emotions.

.. Sure enough ejaculation is pretty much the pinnacle of sexual sensory overload...

Actually, ejaculation isn't the pinnacle. Orgasm is. Ejaculation and orgasm are two separate aspects of sex that usually (but not necessarily) occur at the same time. Orgasms are the ultimate aspect of the sexual experiences not ejaculation. Circumcision does not so much affect the ability to ejaculate (though some circ'd men complain when they are older it takes too long) but can affect the quality, intensity of orgasms. Perhaps that is why you prefer tonguing etc...??

 

[mandoman]

Highly unlikely.... Kissing has always been far more of an erogenous as well as "sensational" experience that any activity my dick could produce.... Sure enough ejaculation is pretty much the pinnacle of sexual sensory overload....but that's just the culmination or result of what got you there in the first place....making out....tonguing....call it what you will, but i would gladly forgo any form of intercourse for an extended session of kissing someone that you're really fucking into....
So i guess i'd have more of problem if this were about 'circucising' the tongue and losing sensation.... but then, that's just my greedy id being let loose.

"i love sam_solo26"

Ah, the innocence of youth.

There is no reason you shouldn't be having a sensory overload at both ends.

 

[CURVEDANDTHICKK]

Wow...Wow. I've stated numerous times that parents make ALL of the decisions for their children so who sets the rules on what the child decides. Does he decided when he should go to the doctor, or maybe he can decide if and when he goes to school. When my son was younger he would have decided to eat chicken nuggets all the time. But the poor parents we are we forced him to eat other things including veggies that he hated. Simply put mind your business and let the childs parents make the call. I bet DX doesn't even have kids, any body that obsessed with dicks must live a lonely life. If you do ask yourself how you would like it if someone was constantly criticizing your decisions.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

You don't treat them as victims, but rather as social pariahs and "mutilated" outcasts.
Simply put, it's your painfully obvious lack of empathy and your outright scorn and contempt for circ 'victims' that will continuously drive a wedge between your desire for circ abolition and your actual 'achieving' of it.

Where you guys get this type of thing from I'll never know. I very much think of RIC victims as victims. Then here's CURVEDANDTHICK equating cutting off sensitive bits with chicken nuggets and saying that I am obsessed or lonely. Yeah, obsessed with ending this abuse of infants. You guys are the ones who are fixated on infant penises.

Same old story. Don't like the message, abuse the messenger. You can't look at this practice objectively or you would be able to perceive the monstrousness of it. This is exactly why it is so difficult to stop because people are willfully blind.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I was fine to leave this discussion, and then THIS comes along.

Bizarrely, posters like darkbond, Vinylboy, sargon, Sirconcis, Sirconcised and everyone else with sircomcision as part of their user name interject stupidly or tout adult circumcision. Seldom to never called out by a mod and accused of muddying things, even though that's all they do.

You really need to learn to check yourself.
When it boils down to this pathetic discussion (now nearing its 100th topic on this forum), we vehemently disagree over whether or not a parent has a right to decide what they think is best for a baby boy when it comes to the penis. That's where the discussion should have ended. Alas, in a desperate need to look "right" in front of your peers, you then spin these arguments to be about the supposed morality of people who try to do what's best for their kids on an overly repetitive basis. And it's at that precise moment that any reasoning you may have is tarnished. For who the hell are you to pass that kind of judgement on anyone?

Instead of talking about my so-called record of ruining threads, why don't you take an honest look at every circumcision thread on this board and see where YOU have insulted, denounced, belittled and desperately tried to dismiss people for no reason beyond providing an opinion different than yours. In these threads, YOU have done that far more than I could ever have. Your hypocrisy has now reached beyond the level of denying future parents the choice your own mom and dad administered when they brought your bitter behind into this world, but now you're trying to pretend that you don't inject your own nasty venom on threads and many times before anyone else responds directly to you. I'd appreciate it if you have the balls to mention my name to speak the truth and be wary of your own faults before you try to propagate what I'm supposedly doing.

And BTW, I've been talked to by mods several times for my antics on this board. Yet I'm still here, so apparently I'm not doing something so detrimental to this board that requires me to be banned. Unfortunately, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You'd think that people who are obsessive enough to respond with the same opinion in nearly 100 of these threads can be equated to spam. You may have the freedom to make 100,000 more posts about how adults who have their infant boys circumcised are savages... but don't even think about trying to better your image or win morality points on my expense. That will be the biggest mistake you'll ever make around here, and your foreskin won't be able to save you either.

 

[vindicator]

Wow...Wow. I've stated numerous times that parents make ALL of the decisions for their children so who sets the rules on what the child decides. Does he decided when he should go to the doctor, or maybe he can decide if and when he goes to school. When my son was younger he would have decided to eat chicken nuggets all the time. But the poor parents we are we forced him to eat other things including veggies that he hated. Simply put mind your business and let the childs parents make the call. I bet DX doesn't even have kids, any body that obsessed with dicks must live a lonely life. If you do ask yourself how you would like it if someone was constantly criticizing your decisions.

I am all for circumcision for men that choose it, but I think you made a false analogy in your argument. You are certainly correct that as a parent you must make medical and other decisions for your child. Certainly nutrition is one thing a parent must do, as well as providing medical care. But any way you slice and dice it, (even as someone in favour of circumcision), the medical conclusion is that circumcision is not a nessessary surjery for a child. If your child had a medical problem with his foreskin, then yes you would have to make decisions for treatment options but to routinely circumcise babies who have no say for no medical benefit is morally and ethically questionable. If my parents would have left me uncut, I probably would have chosen to get cut anyway because thats what i would prefer for myself, but to not allow a man to make that decision for himself seems wrong.

I dont know why circumcised men want to force something upon their child that is unnessessary (and ultimately cosmetic surjery.) Is it because they cant stand the thought that their sons might actually prefer to be uncut and dont want to allow them to make their own decision as a result? If so, to me there seems to be something wrong with that. I just dont see the issue with leaving boys (men) to make their own decision. If i have a son, I will leave him uncut and either deal with any medical treatment when nessessary or if he chooses to be circumcised i'll be the one to talk to him and even taken him.... as long as its his choice.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

I dont know why circumcised men want to force something upon their child that is unnessessary (and ultimately cosmetic surjery.) Is it because they cant stand the thought that their sons might actually prefer to be uncut and dont want to allow them to make their own decision as a result? If so, to me there seems to be something wrong with that.

Thanks vindicator. There is something wrong with it. That's why pro-circ posting in these threads are often over-the-top. They want to do something wrong and don't want to be told it is bad.

They can't stand for their kid to have anything they can't have.

 

[SirConcis]

Have you considered that parents who prefer the circumcised penis and have a dislike for the look of an uncut one would want to give their son the better look ? When you consider circumcision to be an improvement, you have no problem deciding to have your son circumcised.

 

[herkimer snow]

Would your son consider circumcision to be an "improvement"? What's wrong with letting the boy decide? What do dads have to lose by letting the lad grow up and then make the decision? Since this is a decision that parents shouldn't even have to consider (most parents in the world would be mystified if told they had to decide on this surgery for their infant), why be insistent? Be generous. Let the boy decide when he reaches adulthood.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Would your son consider circumcision to be an "improvement"?

From my standpoint, most sons don't care if they're told the truth by their parents at the appropriate ages and not subjected to continuous banter of inequality from those who are uncut.

What's wrong with letting the boy decide?

Nothing if that's the path adults would rather let happen.

What do dads have to lose by letting the lad grow up and then make the decision?

Some families don't have dads in the picture for whatever reason. Mine died when I was 6 so I didn't have him around, but I did have my mom and she did her part to make me feel content about myself, my appearance and understand the fact that despite my differences from some other people that there's absolutely nothing wrong with me.

Since this is a decision that parents shouldn't even have to consider

Your opinion and not a fact...

(most parents in the world would be mystified if told they had to decide on this surgery for their infant)

Not true. My niece had two baby boys, both were circumcised by the decision of herself and her doctor. One is currently 8 and the other is 3. Both are happy, healthy and are not a bit psychologically damaged by the fact that they don't have foreskin. And as long as we keep them away from such overzealous purists who would dare tell them otherwise, they will grow up to be perfectly OK individuals

why be insistent?

Ummmmm.... pot, kettle black?

Be generous.

For most, it's not even a question of generosity but what they think is best.

Let the boy decide when he reaches adulthood.

If that's what you want to do with your children, then by all means. If another parent doesn't think that route then so be it. Just refrain from spreading this hateful nonsense about people being abnormal for doing it because obsessing over maintaining a foreskin is just as crazy.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

DX, VB, this thread is degenerating in to a slanging match, all this personalised attack is sort of what the OP was so confused by.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

DX, VB, this thread is degenerating in to a slanging match, all this personalised attack is sort of what the OP was so confused by.

I wasn't the one that started this, nor were any of my first posts in this thread geared to attack anyone personally. Please follow the posts in this thread chronologically and find out exactly where the mud first started slinging. Then everyone will really understand why this thread is degenerating.

I may be difficult sometimes, but my fabled reputation precedes me.

 

[D_Mephistophiles Scatlicker]

Wow...Wow. I've stated numerous times that parents make ALL of the decisions for their children so who sets the rules on what the child decides. Does he decided when he should go to the doctor, or maybe he can decide if and when he goes to school. When my son was younger he would have decided to eat chicken nuggets all the time. But the poor parents we are we forced him to eat other things including veggies that he hated. Simply put mind your business and let the childs parents make the call. I bet DX doesn't even have kids, any body that obsessed with dicks must live a lonely life. If you do ask yourself how you would like it if someone was constantly criticizing your decisions.

At first, when I read this post comparing a parent's decision to circumcise or not circumcise their boys to chicken nuggets, I had a good laugh. Then, I thought about it. Not a bad comparison, actually. If parents made better food choices for their kids, we wouldn't have such a horrible problem with childhood obesity in this country. The word is spreading about what is good and not so good for your kids to eat. I think most of these posts against circumcision are aimed at parents who just need better information before they make a decision for their child that is irreversible.

 

[mitchymo]

Have you considered that parents who prefer the circumcised penis and have a dislike for the look of an uncut one would want to give their son the better look ? When you consider circumcision to be an improvement, you have no problem deciding to have your son circumcised.

There is something really wrong in the world when parents decide to circumcise based on what they think a penis looks best like.

 

[Lampwick]

Have you considered that parents who prefer the circumcised penis and have a dislike for the look of an uncut one would want to give their son the better look ? When you consider circumcision to be an improvement, you have no problem deciding to have your son circumcised.

Second mitchymo.

This goes right to the heart of the issue for me. Why do cosmetic surgery on an infant? And that's exactly what you're suggesting when you write about the look, and not function.

There are reasons - medical reasons - to do circumcisions on infants and minors. In most of the world, the incidence of such medical circumcisions is quite low. If it's truly medically necessary, it should be done. Other than that, it should be done at the discretion of the penis's owner, when he is old enough to make such decisions.

I mean, it's not like everyone is going to be spending endless hours admiring the aesthetics of their childrens' genitals, right?

 

[B_dxjnorto]

DX, VB, this thread is degenerating in to a slanging match, all this personalised attack is sort of what the OP was so confused by.

Hilaire please don't have the misimpression that I am arguing with VB. He may be arguing with me. Please point out my personalized attack.

Have you considered that parents who prefer the circumcised penis and have a dislike for the look of an uncut one would want to give their son the better look ? When you consider circumcision to be an improvement, you have no problem deciding to have your son circumcised.

See attachment for a visual on this. Please explain how you can view that as a benign practice.