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Good point. We are talking about changing the fundamentals of the way the greatest country every conceived in human history operates in order to satisfy a select few people that could otherwise be satisfied through other means.

In what twisted sense do you think we're doing this?
Because quite honestly, if we were only going to help a select few we wouldn't have to lift a finger.
 
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The best way for a society to exercise freedom is through a system of free market capitalism.

Do you hear what I hear? The wacko sociopath Ayn Rand speaking.

Obamacare is a socialist overhaul to our free market capitalist healthcare system in the name of health and concern for the wealth of the poor.

Do you hear what I hear? A talking point that has no basis in reality or fact.
so·cial·ism

 –noun1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Socialism is what George W. Bush did when he fired all private security firms that were conducting airport security and replaced them with a huge government agency. Vive la difference.
 
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I slightly disagree. All forms of government are socialistic: that is they cater to the welfare of certain segments of society. Conservatism is the use of government to ensure the welfare of the rich and powerful. That is socialism. Communism is the use of government to ensure the welfare of the state itself. A dictatorship is the use of government to ensure the welfare of the dictator and his family and his croonies. Libertarianism is the use of government to ensure the welfare of the property owners. Liberalism is , arguably, the use of government to ensure the welfare of the minority and the oppressed over the majority. Theocracy is the use of government to ensure the welfare of the church. The only real democracy exists when the government has an equal interest in the fate of all its citizens- that means an equal interest in the fate of the child of a black crack addict prostitute as much as Bill and Melinda Gates' kid.
 

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Anyone who judges a person's integrity over something as frivolous as a race question on a census should stop acting like they have a pair. You'd answer the question if the subject of race doesn't scare you.

I answered it because I have nothing to hide. Yes, I'm Black, African-American, Negro, Chocolate or whatever the flavor of the month is. I don't ignore or omit who or what I am just for the sake of other people's squeamish ideals. At the same time, understand that just because I call myself something doesn't mean that I automatically adhere to the stereotypes people associate with them. I don't play Basketball. I'm not allergic to job applications. I don't own a gun. I love Hip-Hop culture, but I don't rap. I wear a belt and my pants actually fit me. My favorite fruit is not watermelon. Street corners are where I go to cross the street, not hang out. I don't sell drugs. I don't do drugs.

Did I forget anything? Oh yeah...
I never forget where I come from. I feel an obligation knowing my roots to be a voice for the voiceless. I speak truth based on what I've learned and experienced, knowing that someone else's truth may be slightly different. I speak my mind. I'll challenge anyone's perception on status quo. I'll be abrasive when need to, especially when someone approaches me as an adult with infantile reasoning.

This is, in essence, what composes of me regardless of what color I am. If anyone has a problem with any of this, seek some therapy.
Vinylboy, I love how well-spoken you are!
I honestly never go to politics forum, so i don`t know if i agree with you or not, but your use of English is fantastic, and i`m saying this, because as far as your posts are concerned, I don`t have a problem understanding them...I really don`t have to read between the lines and all...
As far as roots are concerned, I really don`t think they matter much, trust me, they do not define us, what matters is who we are now.
I don`t think place my ancestors lived has anything to do with who I am now...
and, do you have a BF?:):):)
 

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Good point. We are talking about changing the fundamentals of the way the greatest country every conceived in human history operates in order to satisfy a select few people that could otherwise be satisfied through other means.

I thought you were talking about America not Canada, racism isn't an issue really in Canada, and last I checked Canada didn't really operate to satisfy a select few...
 

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Obamacare is a socialist overhaul to our free market capitalist healthcare system in the name of health and concern for the wealth of the poor.

What's wrong with that?
Health-care is a universal RIGHT not a privilege - why should someone's income be the difference between life and death? THAT is the real death-panel, not the one all the Foxwits are spreading propaganda about.
Instead of attacking all the people who can't afford health-care, how about growing the nuts to attack all the private pharmaceutical companies who make it unaffordable?
 

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Well, in CA whites are the largest minority; when all the minorities have to talk with another to form a majority, then broad coalitions can be built upon shared values, not color, ethnicity, or gender.
 

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so·cial·ism

 –noun1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

If you can't understand how this definition supports all my points then you are not intelligent enough for this argument.
Socialism is what George W. Bush did when he fired all private security firms that were conducting airport security and replaced them with a huge government agency. Vive la difference.
The country's defense is a socialist organization however this is one organization that was clearly supported by our founders. Conservatives have always been advocates of a strong defense and every good conservative believes defense to be one of the most important roles of the federal government.

But a strong, publicly funded defense organization should never be an excuse for socialism that gives hand-outs to able bodied people.
 

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What's wrong with that?
Health-care is a universal RIGHT not a privilege - why should someone's income be the difference between life and death? THAT is the real death-panel, not the one all the Foxwits are spreading propaganda about.
Instead of attacking all the people who can't afford health-care, how about growing the nuts to attack all the private pharmaceutical companies who make it unaffordable?

Why do you think health care is a right? BTW its not a privilege either. Its a service that will only be performed by people nice enough, smart enough, and/or paid enough to do it.

I can tell by the tone of your post that you are a cunt-hair away from calling pharmaceuticals a God given right too. Drugs are manufactured products that not only costs money to make, but also cost an enormous amount of money to develop and research.

Where do these 'rights' end? By your logic, any service and maybe even any product could be a right as well? Should we have a right to own a car? A right to a job? A right to home ownership? Where will it end? I'll tell you - When we go bankrupt.
 

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Why do you think health care is a right? BTW its not a privilege either. Its a service that will only be performed by people nice enough, smart enough, and/or paid enough to do it.

I can tell by the tone of your post that you are a cunt-hair away from calling pharmaceuticals a God given right too. Drugs are manufactured products that not only costs money to make, but also cost an enormous amount of money to develop and research.

Where do these 'rights' end? By your logic, any service and maybe even any product could be a right as well? Should we have a right to own a car? A right to a job? A right to home ownership? Where will it end? I'll tell you - When we go bankrupt.

Are you fucking serious?!?! Health-care is a right because it can be the difference between life and death. Do you really think that the value of a human life depends on how much money they have? Do you really think it's fair that someone should go without medication because they can't afford it? Yes research and development cost money but it's private enterprise that puts a price value on such things. If they really were nice enough and smart enough, they would realize that a person's life is more important than a shareholder's profit.
Your argument about car/job/home ownership is ridiculous. Are you saying people don't deserve a job? Then how would they pay for the health-care you think they should pay for? They'd have to be supported by your taxes but you wouldn't want that. So let me get this straight - you don't want to take care of them, but you don't think they should be able to take care of themselves. HUH? :confused:
Perhaps you would like to explain to everyone reading this thread what your criteria is. How do YOU decide who has a right to employment, housing and health, and who has a right to be unemployed, homeless and sick?
 
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Why do you think health care is a right? BTW its not a privilege either. Its a service that will only be performed by people nice enough, smart enough, and/or paid enough to do it.

Never before has a bigger load of bullshit been dumped on this board.
Educate yourself.

Where do these 'rights' end? By your logic, any service and maybe even any product could be a right as well? Should we have a right to own a car? A right to a job? A right to home ownership? Where will it end? I'll tell you - When we go bankrupt.

Either be part of the solution, or step aside and let the people who don't carry their hearts in their wallets figure it out. Your rants about what a right and a privilege in this country further exposes your ignorance and selfishness.
 

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Anyone who judges a person's integrity over something as frivolous as a race question on a census should stop acting like they have a pair. You'd answer the question if the subject of race doesn't scare you.

I answered it because I have nothing to hide. Yes, I'm Black, African-American, Negro, Chocolate or whatever the flavor of the month is. I don't ignore or omit who or what I am just for the sake of other people's squeamish ideals. At the same time, understand that just because I call myself something doesn't mean that I automatically adhere to the stereotypes people associate with them. I don't play Basketball. I'm not allergic to job applications. I don't own a gun. I love Hip-Hop culture, but I don't rap. I wear a belt and my pants actually fit me. My favorite fruit is not watermelon. Street corners are where I go to cross the street, not hang out. I don't sell drugs. I don't do drugs.

It's not that people are trying to hide something, it's that some people just don't care. You're not any different to me than an American who calls himself white, or an American who calls himself Asian. I'm not fearful of "race", I've accepted the reality that it is and should be irrelevant in the United States of America.

People like you hold this country back. You'd prefer to focus on "keeping things diverse" and "respecting differences", emphasizing anything that even remotely sets us apart, rather than uniting Americans (or mankind, for that matter) towards one common cause.

I'm not saying "I'm colorblind", I'm saying that there is no point (and there never was) in "race" having such a high value of importance.
 
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It's not that people are trying to hide something, it's that some people just don't care. You're not any different to me than an American who calls himself white, or an American who calls himself Asian. I'm not fearful of "race", I've accepted the reality that it is and should be irrelevant in the United States of America.

Ideologically, we are the same. But realistically, the only thing that makes us the same is the fact that we're human. That's it. If the two of us are going to be pre-judged by the way we look regardless if you answer a question about race or not, then it makes no sense to blindly live by the ideology and ignore the reality of the situation.

People like you hold this country back.

Oh, this is going to be good. LOL!! :rolleyes:

You'd prefer to focus on "keeping things diverse" and "respecting differences", emphasizing anything that even remotely sets us apart, rather than uniting Americans (or mankind, for that matter) towards one common cause.

In other words, since you believe that we're all "equal" from A to Z, we should all ignore our differences and assimilate ourselves into being similar? Sorry, that's not how that works. As a gay & black man, I've tried that on many different levels and I quickly learned that you can only get so far in life acting like the things that make you different do not count or matter. Too many times, I've pretended to be straight only for someone to see me walk into a gay bar, on my own, months down the road and treat me negatively from then on. Plus, I can't hide the fact that I'm black so all of those stereotypes are casted upon me before I can even open my mouth.

Respecting differences doesn't tear our nation apart. The refusal to allow people who are different the right to live their lives is what tears us apart. The fact that people blindly live by ideologies about everyone being equal when realistically we're not all born in the same neighborhoods with the same financial and social opportunities as the next person is a big reason why our nation is in such disarray. What's worse is that many people who were privileged enough to grow up in better surroundings see government attempts to provide basic human necessity to those less fortunate as a handout to a bunch of lazy people who somehow don't deserve it. Perhaps if they were willing to see the differences surrounding the way people are forced to live, this wouldn't happen as much? But I digress...

Essentially, you have to learn when to stop singing "Kumbaya" on infinite repeat and know when to roll up your sleeves and do something to make sure your ideology has some substance.

I'm not saying "I'm colorblind", I'm saying that there is no point (and there never was) in "race" having such a high value of importance.

You're misinterpreting my answer.
I don't hold race at a high value, or at least at a level that bothers me to such degree that I prevent myself from progressing forward. If I was really bothered by race, then the last three boyfriends I had wouldn't have been White. My best friend and business partners wouldn't be Puerto Rican and Cuban. I wouldn't have been the only black kid in a predominately white school district all through grade school, high school and college. I didn't ask for this to happen... it just did. That's because I'm willing to accept people for who they are on several other levels before race becomes an issue.

Like I stated before, if you're going to be judged by the color of your skin regardless if you answer the question or not, then it makes no sense to ignore it. If anything, perhaps someone may initially see me for my skin color or declared sexuality and quickly realize that I'm not the person they surmised to be? Perhaps someone who had preconceived notions about those who are different, managed to truly enjoy their company regardless of them, thereby changing their attitudes towards similar people in the future? That's why I jokingly made that list about how I didn't play Basketball or was allergic to a job application beforehand because I am not your societally, stereotypical black male. That's why I have lots of straight friends who know that I sleep with other men and are not afraid to hang out together like best mates because I don't act like your societally, stereotypical gay male either. I don't worship Madonna. I actually have music not sung by a "diva" on my iPod. I don't try to hit on every single guy I see. I don't act repulsed when I see a good looking woman. I don't need a room to be full of shirtless guys, all buffed and muscular in boxer shorts, ready to grope at my disposal... but I certainly wouldn't turn it down either!! :wink:
 
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Ok since your talking about world status you do realize eruo's are white?
 

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Very true.

The true answer might be rather scary - for those who are called "whites."

Like I stated earlier... Sargon20 already answered the question on post #3. You're just searching for an illogical answer that would validate whatever preconceived prejudices you may have. Too bad that nobody agrees with your unspoken assessments. :rolleyes: