Why Barak Obama will not be the first Black President

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

There's no way in hell Clinton would run at Obama's VP. Her ego is way too big for that.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

There's no way in hell Clinton would run at Obama's VP. Her ego is way too big for that.

Given promise of a large enough VP role, I think she might.
I mean, she will be 60 at the time of the upcoming election, IIRC.
It could very well be that her next strong chance would be eight years away ... at which time she would be 68 and relatively long in the tooth for another try.
(The idea that she would have to wait eight years is far from certain, of course, given that Ford, Carter, and Bush Sr. failed in their re-election bids, but I still think incumbency confers huge advantages.)
But to accept the VP slot, she would have to know she would have a significant role -- and know that she was seen to have such a role.
Obama strikes me as the kind of guy who might well give those assurances.
My guess only, of course.

 

[Lex]

Obama would be the 2nd black president.

Bill Clinton was the first.

No doubt.

There's no way in hell Clinton would run at Obama's VP. Her ego is way too big for that.

I would run it the other way, actually: Hillary and Obama. With Bill in tow.

Gore's biggest mistake was in thinking that closeness to Bill would HURT him, when it would have helped. Teflon Bill is no joke.

 

[Principessa]

Oooo, I hadn't even considered that option. I like it, it has potential! :smile:

I kind of think an Edwards/Obama ticket could be elected and work. The country has gotten used to Black secretaries of state. It could get used ot a Black VP. He could then stand a much better chance and being elected and surviving. The man has star quality.

 

[naughty]

No doubt.



I would run it the other way, actually: Hillary and Obama. With Bill in tow.

Gore's biggest mistake was in thinking that closeness to Bill would HURT him, when it would have helped. Teflon Bill is no joke.

LOL! I think Leonardo Di Caprio should do his biography what do you all think? IT should be called Slick Willy. Well, actually considering who we are talking about that might seem somewhat pornographic. All jokes aside though, in Gore's case it was too little too late. His father told him he would never become President if he became Bill's Vice President. Clinton would still be president I believe if there were not term limits.

 

[HotBulge]

I would run it the other way, actually: Hillary and Obama. With Bill in tow.

Gore's biggest mistake was in thinking that closeness to Bill would HURT him, when it would have helped. Teflon Bill is no joke.

The view that Bill would have been an asset to Clinton is somewhat ahistorcial. If Gore were running for president NOW, his association to Bill Clinton would be an asset. That's because we can now view Clinton with nostalgia, especially after this current failed administration under GW. In 2000, however, the Republican controlled Congress was still obsessing about Clinton, cigars, and a White House intern, as though the holiest of sacrileges had been committed. Gore also needed to truly distinguish himself as an individual since he was always cast as Clinton's beta-boy through 2000. Please recall, in 1992, when Al Gore talked about environmentalism, he looked like a fringe interest candidate; 14 years later, Gore's environmentalist evangelism with "An Inconvenient Truth" appears prophetic and makes him look presidential.

 

[Principessa]

There's no way in hell Clinton would run at Obama's VP. Her ego is way too big for that. I think that may go both ways

Obama would be the 2nd black president. B

ill Clinton was the first. Agreed.

Gore's biggest mistake was in thinking that closeness to Bill would HURT him, when it would have helped. Teflon Bill is no joke. Yup, the man is an "untouchable." I voted for him twice and would again if I could. I was far better off after his 8 years in office than I will be after GWB's.

 

[Blocko]

Now, a Black President or a Female President is something we can see... But who here can see an openly atheist president of the United States in current times?

Personally I think that might even be a tougher ask in a country where abortion clinics sometimes suffer domestic terrorist attacks.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

Yup, Clinton is an "untouchable." I voted for him twice and would again if I could. I was far better off after his 8 years in office than I will be after GWB's.

You seem to have company.
Here's a CNN poll from only days ago.

Poll: Clinton outperformed Bush

Monday, May 15, 2006 Posted: 1416 GMT (2216 HKT)
(CNN) -- In a new poll comparing President Bush's job performance with that of his predecessor, a strong majority of respondents said President Clinton outperformed Bush on a host of issues.
The poll of 1,021 adult Americans was conducted May 5-7 by Opinion Research Corp. for CNN. It had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
Respondents favored Clinton by greater than 2-to-1 margins when asked who did a better job at handling the economy (63 percent Clinton, 26 percent Bush) and solving the problems of ordinary Americans (62 percent Clinton, 25 percent Bush).
On foreign affairs, the margin was 56 percent to 32 percent in Clinton's favor; on taxes, it was 51 percent to 35 percent for Clinton; and on handling natural disasters, it was 51 percent to 30 percent, also favoring Clinton.
Moreover, 59 percent said Bush has done more to divide the country, while only 27 percent said Clinton had.
When asked which man was more honest as president, poll respondents were more evenly divided, with the numbers -- 46 percent Clinton to 41 percent Bush -- falling within the poll's margin of error. The same was true for a question on handling national security: 46 percent said Clinton performed better; 42 percent picked Bush.
Clinton was impeached in 1998 over testimony he gave in a deposition about an extramarital sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinksy. He was later acquitted by the Senate.

 

[STYLYUNG]

Let's not forget that Obama is at least half white.

 

[LeeEJ]

Now, a Black President or a Female President is something we can see... But who here can see an openly atheist president of the United States in current times?

I can. It's about time this country started doing what it originally promised when it was founded -- allow religions the freedom from being meddled with by the government.

 

[SpeedoGuy]

I can. It's about time this country started doing what it originally promised when it was founded -- allow religions the freedom from being meddled with by the government.

Second that. Its important to keep both of them from interfering with each other, a fact often forgotten in the bickering.

 

[Shelby]

Judging by the vitriol spewed on this board Bush and company are in far more danger from the rabid left than vice versa.

Anyway here's how I see it.:tongue:

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[LeeEJ]

Judging by the vitriol spewed on this board Bush and company are in far more danger from the rabid left than vice versa.

Anyway here's how I see it.:tongue:

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I don't know -- I've always felt that anti-liberals were more physically dangerous than anti-conservatives (or whatever the terminology; catch my drift, though?). After all, you never hear of gays beating up straights "just for their straightness", for example.

 

[Principessa]

But who here can see an openly atheist president of the United States in current times? Don't be silly it's not even up for discussion. This country was founded on religious freedom, not the lack thereof. You want to talk about intolerance; announce you don't believe in God in a political arena. You will be lucky to be elected dog catcher.

Personally I think that might even be a tougher task in a country where abortion clinics sometimes suffer domestic terrorist attacks. 'Scuse me, when did this become the pick on America thread? Isn't Austrailia a country founded as a penal colony? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

Clinton would still be president I believe if there were not term limits. I agree.

 

[B_big dirigible]

I kind of think an Edwards/Obama ticket could be elected and work. The country has gotten used to Black secretaries of state.

But not thanks to the Democrats. That increment of progress had to come from other quarters.

When people realize that mega-rich ambulance chasers like Edwards are part of the reason why health care in America is so expensive, his support will be reduced to fringe loonies. Similarly, as the campaign progresses and Obama fails to enunciate anything but simple-minded platitudes, he'll be relegated to the sidelines.

 

[Blocko]

Haha, I'm not picking on America... I'm just using a supporting argument for my point :smile:. People willing to blow up abortion clinics could make the step into blowing up an openly atheist pro-choice president.

Besides which, North America was used as a Penal Colony for 150 years... while Australia was only used as one for 75 (both well over a century ago now). Funny that Americans are always the ones to bring it up (and before any of you British jump in, they were your criminals in the first place). :biggrin1:

But who here can see an openly atheist president of the United States in current times? Don't be silly it's not even up for discussion. This country was founded on religious freedom, not the lack thereof. You want to talk about intolerance; announce you don't believe in God in a political arena. You will be lucky to be elected dog catcher.

Personally I think that might even be a tougher task in a country where abortion clinics sometimes suffer domestic terrorist attacks. 'Scuse me, when did this become the pick on America thread? Isn't Austrailia a country founded as a penal colony? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

Clinton would still be president I believe if there were not term limits. I agree.

 

[Blocko]

When did relying on simple-minded platitudes stop people from getting elected? You better get all the candidates to wait on your call for that one!

But not thanks to the Democrats. That increment of progress had to come from other quarters.

When people realize that mega-rich ambulance chasers like Edwards are part of the reason why health care in America is so expensive, his support will be reduced to fringe loonies. Similarly, as the campaign progresses and Obama fails to enunciate anything but simple-minded platitudes, he'll be relegated to the sidelines.

 

[STYLYUNG]

At last the Dems have a viable candidate! Goveraor Bill Richardson, New Mexico, announced today, May 21, that he is a candidate for President.

 

[Lex]

The view that Bill would have been an asset to Clinton is somewhat ahistorcial. If Gore were running for president NOW, his association to Bill Clinton would be an asset. That's because we can now view Clinton with nostalgia, especially after this current failed administration under GW. In 2000, however, the Republican controlled Congress was still obsessing about Clinton, cigars, and a White House intern, as though the holiest of sacrileges had been committed. Gore also needed to truly distinguish himself as an individual since he was always cast as Clinton's beta-boy through 2000. Please recall, in 1992, when Al Gore talked about environmentalism, he looked like a fringe interest candidate; 14 years later, Gore's environmentalist evangelism with "An Inconvenient Truth" appears prophetic and makes him look presidential.

I am not viewing from a nostalgic POV. I thought at that time, that distancing himself from Clinton was a bad idea. Bill thought is was a bad idea too.

Let's not forget that Obama is at least half white.

The majority of African Americans havce white ancestry and relatives. Obama is not unique in this regard. To be African American IS (usually) to be of African, Caucasian and Native American descent.