Why do LWers persist in lying about Bush?

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Please point out any lies I have told . I will be happy to correct them.

What you actually quoted was talking about people believing the administration's lies. No-one said you lied :eek: .

It is possible to be perfectly truthful and be a sub bridge dweller.
 

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Just curious, did you hold that same opinion when Bill Clinton was in the most responsible and demanding position in the world? Did you have any respect for that? Or did you bash him when he was in the position of commander in chief?

Did you have respect for Bill Clinton? What about all his obvious and intentional lies?
 

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Just curious, did you hold that same opinion when Bill Clinton was in the most responsible and demanding position in the world? Did you have any respect for that? Or did you bash him when he was in the position of commander in chief?

First question . Absolutely . It's the position , not the person.

He didn't do much as CIC so I didn't bash him.

If I did bash him , I wouldn't do it based on lies.
"Bashing" the President based on honest difference of opinion is one thing. Just part of politics .

Bashing him and undermining him based on lies is quite another.
Reprehensible.
 

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{quietly pondering some amusing questions...}
When jqblonde speaks or types the word "liberal", does he foam at the mouth like Ann Coulter does, or does his face turn a blotchy purple-red color, like Bill O'Rielly does?
 

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First question . Absolutely . It's the position , not the person.

He didn't do much as CIC so I didn't bash him.

If I did bash him , I wouldn't do it based on lies.
"Bashing" the President based on honest difference of opinion is one thing. Just part of politics .

Bashing him and undermining him based on lies is quite another.
Reprehensible.
Finally, you actually calmly and honestly answer a question I posed. For that, I thank you.

Now, if I can be equally calm and honest, it isn't the WMD thing that bothers me about GW. I understand that he has been manipulated, and that many things attributed to him are not actually him. My big problem with him, his cabinet, and his whole administration is their disregard for the US Constitution. "Constitution be damned, we want this, and will get it by whatever means necessary." He keeps repeating his mantra of "National security, national security" but I don't think he really understands what that means, nor does he understand that the end does not justify the means. I would have a great deal more respect for him if he questioned his advisors from time to time, rather than just blindly agreeing with them.

Please don't take this as an affront, or an insult, or some kind of bait, this is an honest question: in your own words, what is the difference between a liberal and a libertarian?
 

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{quietly pondering some amusing questions...}
When jqblonde speaks or types the word "liberal", does he foam at the mouth like Ann Coulter does, or does his face turn a blotchy purple-red color, like Bill O'Rielly does?

I would hope not, and I don't either...there are people who hold exteme opinions on either side of the political fence. I'm conservative but I have respect for other's opinions, but it seems to me anyone on this sight who holds a conservative standpoint on issues get bashed whenever they voice a thought contrary to anyone else! Can't you just give the guy some respect and not criticise him with your "pondering" of "ammusing questions" ? Don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I wish more conservative people would contribute to these threads then maybe all those who jump on him would see he is not alone.

Nothing against you personally DC, just chose your thread for my response...
 

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Did you have respect for Bill Clinton? What about all his obvious and intentional lies?
I did not respect the way he handled Kenn Starr, if that's what you are asking. And other than lying about his blowjob, which lies are you referring to?
I would hope not, and I don't either...there are people who hold exteme opinions on either side of the political fence. I'm conservative but I have respect for other's opinions, but it seems to me anyone on this sight who holds a conservative standpoint on issues get bashed whenever they voice a thought contrary to anyone else! Can't you just give the guy some respect and not criticise him with your "pondering" of "ammusing questions" ? Don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, but I wish more conservative people would contribute to these threads then maybe all those who jump on him would see he is not alone.

Nothing against you personally DC, just chose your thread for my response...
Have you read any of the discourse between jqblonde and any other member of this site, on the other threads? Can you tell me that he does not do more "liberal bashing" than I do "conservative bashing?" Be honest in your response. I'm waiting.
 

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Of course not . He' s very fallible , which is the whole friggin point.

He happens to hold the most responsible and demanding position in the world and thus is required to make decisions that have immense import.

LWers appreantly have no respect for that.

In the case of Iraq, Bush was required to make a decision on Iraq. Based on the available information , he chose to do what he did .


The decision was based on what he perceived to be the best interests of the country , not padding Dick Cheney's Halliburton retirement plan or whatever cockamamie nitwit theory du juor of the moonbat left.

Lastlty,the decision was not based on any 'lies' about WMD . The Intelligence Community told him Iraq had WMD and he told the AMerican people. Period.

It's not the job of the American President to read off every piece of information to the public , pro and con and put the friggin thing up to an I & R vote.

It's his decision , he made it, and the AMerican people agreed with him. Which is why he was given 4 more years.

Bush Jr. is responsible for the consequences of his decisions. The Buck stops at his desk, right or wrong. He's the one who accepted the position of President of the USA knowing that the weight and judgment of history would fall upon him. It's also specious to separate the Bush from his cabinet, considering that the "pressure to perform" originated in the higher ranks and filtered down.

As for the American public agreeing with him at the time, that's also inaccurate. I wasn't in agreement with him in March of 2003 when he decided to invade Iraq. I was one of the thousands that protested in cities around the country. Even MoveOn.org was conducting advocacy against the Iraq War nearly a year before it occured.

Bush Jr. had options, even the precedent of his own father, to consider. He just shut down those other options.
 

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I did not respect the way he handled Kenn Starr, if that's what you are asking. And other than lying about his blowjob, which lies are you referring to?Have you read any of the discourse between jqblonde and any other member of this site, on the other threads? Can you tell me that he does not do more "liberal bashing" than I do "conservative bashing?" Be honest in your response. I'm waiting.

Those you have mentioned are probably the most publicized in the media, but what about all the others that the media let go by the wayside? What about the aids-tainted blood he allowed in this country from Canada? I guess most of them are speculation and weren't covered much because of his popularity with the media. It just seems to me the liberal-backed media goes out of their way to gaslight President Bush and that's just the way it's been since the days of Reagan...they tried with him but they just ended up liking and respecting him because he always said it like it was, and with tact. As far as the other threads...honestly, no...I haven't read them, I generally stay away from the political ones because everyone I've ever read has bashed conservatives. It's not really the derogatory statements made toward the Republican party or administration that bothers me, it's the way a conservative person is usually jumped on by numerous people who seem to lump him or her in one group. It would be the same if I lumped all Democrats as liberals equal to Howard Dean or Barbara Boxer.

And like I said, my response was not directed towards you personally, I just chose your post as the one to which I responded.