Why do people who vote republican put up with this shit?

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I know there's a few of you on this forum. This post (and subsequent additions from me) are addressed to them, not all the liberals (you don't put up with this shit, so I'm not asking you).

'A train wreck': Veterans haven't receive GI Bill benefits for months

"I'm about to lose everything that I own and become homeless," Roundtree said. "I don't want to be that veteran on the street begging for change because I haven't received what I was promised."

Without the GI Bill's housing stipend, Roundtree was kicked out of his apartment and is now living on his sister's couch, miles from school, where he feels like a burden on his family. The new living situation required him to move all his belongings into a storage container, which he can no longer afford. Now all of his possessions are in danger of being auctioned off by the storage facility.

Roundtree said that because of his extremely strained finances, he is forced to choose between spending money on public transportation to get to his marketing classes or buying food — not both. At the end of the day, the veteran said he often makes himself to go to sleep hungry.

"It's just confusing," said Roundtree. "Who is there for us? Who is representing us? Who is helping us? Who is doing what they need to do to better the situation for veterans?"


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There are many veterans, like Roundtree, across the country who are still waiting for VA to catch up with a backlog created after President Trump signed the Forever GI Bill in 2017. The landmark piece of legislation greatly expanded benefits for veterans and survivors' families, but it did not upgrade the VA's technical capabilities to account for those changes.

While it is unclear how many GI Bill recipients were impacted by the delays, as of Nov. 8, more than 82,000 are still waiting for their housing payments with only weeks remaining in the school semester, according to VA. Hundreds of thousands are believed to have been affected.

Your party is doing this. The representatives you elected are responsible. Here in TX, Beto O'Rourke has been working to support veterans for a long time, but GOP voters want Ted Cruz.

So... if you vote Republican, why do you put up with this shit? Why are the news outlets that focus on your point of view focused on a caravan of immigrants 1000 miles away rather than veterans on US soil who are not receiving benefits promised to them?

 

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I've asked a lot of my so called "friends" how they can be my friend and call themselves Republicans as that party goes along eroding my rights ands basically doing stupid shit. A staunch Republican voter proudly wears her Trump t-shirt as she claims to love our mutual friend's transgender father. A "friend" claims to be pro gay and against discrimination but sees nothing wrong in a baker refusing gay customers. A Senator who is a citizen because of birthright citizenship is okay with repealing the amendment granting that citizenship.

Is the hope of a few more dollars in your pocket enough to make you look the other way at the wrongdoings? Can you honestly say that if a Democratic President did half the stuff Trump has that you wouldn't be up in arms? @TexanStar posted a few days ago that a lot of people who claimed not to be pro Trump voted Republican not as support of him but against the Democrats. One would hope that maturity would have factored in and those type would see that keeping a party that refuses to keep him in check is not the way to get the Republican Party back in line.

In the past election there was plenty of talk of voting one's conscience. I guess that only applies to liberals and progressives. Republicans seem to vote Republican.....no matter what.
 

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I've asked a lot of my so called "friends" how they can be my friend and call themselves Republicans as that party goes along eroding my rights ands basically doing stupid shit. A staunch Republican voter proudly wears her Trump t-shirt as she claims to love our mutual friend's transgender father. A "friend" claims to be pro gay and against discrimination but sees nothing wrong in a baker refusing gay customers. A Senator who is a citizen because of birthright citizenship is okay with repealing the amendment granting that citizenship.

Is the hope of a few more dollars in your pocket enough to make you look the other way at the wrongdoings? Can you honestly say that if a Democratic President did half the stuff Trump has that you wouldn't be up in arms? @TexanStar posted a few days ago that a lot of people who claimed not to be pro Trump voted Republican not as support of him but against the Democrats. One would hope that maturity would have factored in and those type would see that keeping a party that refuses to keep him in check is not the way to get the Republican Party back in line.

In the past election there was plenty of talk of voting one's conscience. I guess that only applies to liberals and progressives. Republicans seem to vote Republican.....no matter what.

I get all that though. I disagree with it, but it isn't mysterious to me.

What is mysterious is why people who express a clear interest in veterans rights and benefits would vote to support candidates who are clearly failing them.
 

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The GOP has really gone off its rails on so many levels. The GOP before Trump was a party that I harshly rebuked. However, since Trump, the GOP is lower than low.

The GOP never cared about the poor and all their plights. And they never cared about environmental concerns, either, because...well, they simply never existed in the first place.

GOP Economics and Prosperity 101: Keep the rich rich, or preferably, make the rich richer, and give big tax breaks to big corporation because all that extra dough will trickle down into the pockets of the poor and the middle class.

But here's the big difference between the GOP pre-Trump and the GOP under Trump: The latter knows it can only win on the culture war front. It's why they dogwhistle and sometimes not dogwhistle (they're getting bolder) the "America is and has always been a Judeo-Christian Christian where white culture is now being taken over by other cultures". It's the root of all this anti-immigrant talk. It's not at all about keeping the public safe from illegal criminals.

GOP politicians use fearmongering tactics with regard to the 2nd Amendment (they're coming for your guns). They don't care about viewing the 2nd Amendment rights effects on public safety. The Constitution guarantees every one the right to the pursuit of happiness. This cannot be achieved if we all live in fear all the time of being gunned down in public. They also threaten to take away a women's right to choice, even though, they, the Grand Old Party, believe strongly in "individual freedoms while always denouncing government overreach." After all, true blue Republicans are strict Constitutionalists, right?

The GOP has and will never have a plan for affordable health care. They will never have a plan to protect our forests and drinking water. And they will never have a plan to protect Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. They only have a plan to ignite culture wars wherever they go.
 

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The GOP has really gone off its rails on so many levels. The GOP before Trump was a party that I harshly rebuked. However, since Trump, the GOP is lower than low.

The GOP never cared about the poor and all their plights. And they never cared about environmental concerns, either, because...well, they simply never existed in the first place.

GOP Economics and Prosperity 101: Keep the rich rich, or preferably, make the rich richer, and give big tax breaks to big corporation because all that extra dough will trickle down into the pockets of the poor and the middle class.

But here's the big difference between the GOP pre-Trump and the GOP under Trump: The latter knows it can only win on the culture war front. It's why they dogwhistle and sometimes not dogwhistle (they're getting bolder) the "America is and has always been a Judeo-Christian Christian where white culture is now being taken over by other cultures". It's the root of all this anti-immigrant talk. It's not at all about keeping the public safe from illegal criminals.

GOP politicians use fearmongering tactics with regard to the 2nd Amendment (they're coming for your guns). They don't care about viewing the 2nd Amendment rights effects on public safety. The Constitution guarantees every one the right to the pursuit of happiness. This cannot be achieved if we all live in fear all the time of being gunned down in public. They also threaten to take away a women's right to choice, even though, they, the Grand Old Party, believe strongly in "individual freedoms while always denouncing government overreach." After all, true blue Republicans are strict Constitutionalists, right?

The GOP has and will never have a plan for affordable health care. They will never have a plan to protect our forests and drinking water. And they will never have a plan to protect Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. They only have a plan to ignite culture wars wherever they go.

Okay, yes, fine. I'm a Democrat.

But I'm asking Republicans why they put up with this treatment of veterans instead of holding their politicians accountable.
 

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Okay, yes, fine. I'm a Democrat.

But I'm asking Republicans why they put up with this treatment of veterans instead of holding their politicians accountable.

Because they are - in the present moment - zealous to protect their cultural heritage at all costs. They want to fight it out raw and rough with the Progressive Liberal Movement. America is now a center-left country, not a center-right one - and they despise this very fact with all their being. They know that Millenials are going to take this country way to the Left; they know that white Christian culture will be a minority at some point in the not-so-far-away future. Taxes, tariffs and healthcare will only mean anything when these GOP Trump worshippers get hit where it hurts most: the pocketbook. And, even then, some will still vote against their own self-interest for the sake of cultural representation and preservation.
 
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Again... asking Republican voters here why they aren't holding their lawmakers accountable for an issue that tends to be considered a priority for the voters in their own party.

You don’t really expect them to answer honestly do you? There’s all kinds of research out there on what gets them motivated (none good). Things they would never admit to.
 

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You don’t really expect them to answer honestly do you? There’s all kinds of research out there on what gets them motivated (none good). Things they would never admit to.

I don't actually know if there are any in here :p

Sonytono is conservative, but not Republican (Australian whackjob)

Malakos leans conservative, but is a non-voter

Who knows, maybe I'm talking to the wind.
 
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Let me start by saying, rather asking this question. Where were you guys when our veterans were having these problems and couldn't receive healthcare from the VA while Obama was in office.

You seem to be trying to paint a picture that only liberals are concerned with active duty and veterans? That's clearly not the case on the whole political spectrum.

Trump got them more money. The bureaucracy that's holding up getting these payments out to our veterans is clearly the problem.

Hold their checks until our vets get their checks and see how fast our vets are paid. You want to make it about Republicans. But both R and D are employed in the department of veterans affairs. Just like in the FBI and all other government jobs.

It's not always about the Republicans. It's about doing what is right and using common sense to do that. As if by some magical wave of a wand you can get the department of veterans affairs to streamline anything.
 
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Let me start by saying, rather asking this question. Where were you guys when our veterans were having these problems and couldn't receive healthcare from the VA while Obama was in office.

You seem to be trying to paint a picture that only liberals are concerned with active duty and veterans? That's clearly not the case on the whole political spectrum.

Trump got them more money. The bureaucracy that's holding up getting these payments out to our veterans is clearly the problem.

Hold their checks until our vets get their checks and see how fast our vets are paid. You want to make it about Republicans. But both R and D are employed in the department of veterans affairs. Just like in the FBI and all other government jobs.

It's not always about the Republicans. It's about doing what is right and using common sense to do that. As if by some magical wave of a wand you can get the department of veterans affairs to streamline anything.

What I asked is why you put up with it.

Is it too much of a miswording if I paraphrase your response to be "I put up with it because bureaucracies are inefficient and these issues are unavoidable"?

I am genuinely trying to understand why there is so much more activism within the Republican party for things like transgender bathroom legislation than there is for veterans benefits.

I do know Democrats haven't served veterans any better during their tenures in power, but speaking broadly it seems like patriotism and supporting the military is advertised more heavily as a GOP platform.
 

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What I asked is why you put up with it.

Is it too much of a miswording if I paraphrase your response to be "I put up with it because bureaucracies are inefficient and these issues are unavoidable"?

I am genuinely trying to understand why there is so much more activism within the Republican party for things like transgender bathroom legislation than there is for veterans benefits.

I do know Democrats haven't served veterans any better during their tenures in power, but speaking broadly it seems like patriotism and supporting the military is advertised more heavily as a GOP platform.


Generally speaking yes. But as with all things concerning the military. It's hurry up and wait. I expect no difference from the office of veterans affairs. Unfortunately it's not always up to Congress or Senate, but they should be following up on all of this.
 
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Generally speaking yes. But as with all things concerning the military. It's hurry up and wait. I expect no difference from the office of veterans affairs. Unfortunately it's not always up to Congress or Senate, but they should be following up on all of this.

There's going to be hearings about this issue this week, hopefully they can get things turned around or get some relief out quickly: House Panel to Examine Recent Reports on VA IT

Separately, please note that there are direct lines to issues the VA is having (and/or will be having) and Donald Trump. You said that he got veterans more money, but at the same time his habit for cronyism is stifling the VA's ability to spend that money on veteran: The VA Shadow Rulers’ Signature Program Is “Trending Towards Red”
A $10 billion technology upgrade championed by Jared Kushner and the Mar-a-Lago trio is at risk of failing the VA’s 7 million patients.
 
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What I asked is why you put up with it.

Is it too much of a miswording if I paraphrase your response to be "I put up with it because bureaucracies are inefficient and these issues are unavoidable"?

I am genuinely trying to understand why there is so much more activism within the Republican party for things like transgender bathroom legislation than there is for veterans benefits.
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Republicans are turned on by fear and hate.
They also want to be public about people's privates.

just sayin
 

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Republicans are turned on by fear and hate.
They also want to be public about people's privates.

just sayin


I'm neither turned on by the fear or hate, both parties are guilty of using when it comes time for elections. Like in the past mid terms.
 
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Anyone who was/is even half way objective knows that it was not even anywhere close to being the same.

What was the "equivalent" to everything involved with "the caravan" that Republicans on and off Fox news flogged morning, noon and night that the Democrats did ?

That was straight up "fear" and/or "hatred" of "brown people"