Why do progressives hate israel but support maduro and corrupt venezuela?

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Arabs/Muslims have full citizenship and Knesset representation in Israel and a high standard of living while Venezuelans are actually being starved to death by Maduro.
The headline is longer than your first post... you should back up your claims and explain who "progressives" are.

But why should anyone compare Venezuela with Israel?
 
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What always never cease to surprise me, when it comes to a portion of the american public discussing politics, is that it's always 0% or 100%.

Disagree with something Israel did? You must hate them 100%, apparently.

Believe in some sort of socialized medicine? Why do you want us to be 100% like Venezuela?

No wonder you got political problems...
 

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What always never cease to surprise me, when it comes to a portion of the american public discussing politics, is that it's always 0% or 100%.

Disagree with something Israel did? You must hate them 100%, apparently.

Believe in some sort of socialized medicine? Why do you want us to be 100% like Venezuela?

No wonder you got political problems...
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I prefer the term 'Eurotrash', which unfortunately has become less and less used under Trump.
Since this thread is stupid....I don't mind derailing it......what exactly is eurotrash.....I once hooked up with a girl at a Lord of acid concert in Berlin......my friends said she was eurotrash.....but I never got a clear definition on it
 
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Since this thread is stupid....I don't mind derailing it......what exactly is eurotrash.....I once hooked up with a girl at a Lord of acid concert in Berlin......my friends said she was eurotrash.....but I never got a clear definition on it

Eurotrash as slang means snooty, well to do Europeans travelling or living abroad
 
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Eurotrash as slang means snooty, well to do Europeans travelling or living abroad

Or, when used in a political context, just about anyone from Europe, who dares voice a different opinion than a US conservative one...
 

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Since this thread is stupid....I don't mind derailing it......what exactly is eurotrash.....I once hooked up with a girl at a Lord of acid concert in Berlin......my friends said she was eurotrash.....but I never got a clear definition on it
I only know it in relation to music.
I thought Americans refer to the 90s techno/rap mix as eurotrash. - that's why Germans use it now a days to refer to this music ironically- Eurotrash parties are a trend in Germany.

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Israel is a racist-apartheid state with it's inhabitants claiming to be God's chosen people. They treat the entire world like complete garbage... and treat their neighbors even worse.

Venezuela is a natural resource rich country with the world's largest proven oil reserves... the global elite want to RAPE VENEZUELA of their natural resources. Right now, Venezuela's natural resources are OWNED BY VENEZUELA, the global elite (consisting of both conservatives and liberals) want those natural resources to be owned by transglobal corporations.

It's economy is in ruin because the U.S. and their allies have waged economic warfare through various means including crippling sanctions and Saudi Arabia's policy of keeping the price of oil as low as possible.

Keeping the price of oil as low as possible is a way for the U.S. to strangle Russia slowly... Venezuela's implosion was always going to be a welcome secondary effect. Crippling Russia through low oil prices is a loooong game (which Russia sees in advance and is working desperately to try and avoid economic ruin) but the demise of Venezuela is here right now! Obviously the U.S.'s efforts at fracking shale oil helped lower the price of oil as well... Saudi Arabia's unique and large reserves allow them to flood the market with more oil than it needs... which artificially lowers the price of oil per barrel. Meanwhile the U.S.'s production cost of $60 per barrel of shale oil is vastly more expensive than Saudi Arabia's production cost of $7 per barrel indicating a craven and counterproductive desire to achieve hegemony through VERY costly economic warfare.

Plus, this economic warfare also hurts... drumroll... I-fucking-RAN.

The global elite ruining a South American country's economy and then swooping in like hungry vultures to "help the people" by picking their bones clean is an old story... older than dirt. The Romans fucking did it... and before them Athens and before Athens Egypt... I'm sure Summeria used all of the available tools of hegemony.

Yet every time it has happened in my lifetime, the global elite owned mainstream media clutches their pearls,provides ZERO context, willfully forgets ALL history and serves their elite masters by running endless articles BLAMING THE VICTIM.

The U.S. is a monster, they use their military and media to subjugate as many people across the globe that they can... the U.S. military and media don't serve the people, they serve their OWNERS - the global elite.

Yeah, I am probably the only progressive on this board with a backbone and enough courage to stand up for the "little guy".

I am 100% apposed to the policies and methods of the government of Israel, I condemn zionism and am pro DBS.

I am also 100% in support of Bolivarian experiment started by Hugo Chavez. Why? Simply because I don't read the propaganda of the global elite.

Why the US demonises Venezuela's democracy

Such is the state of misrepresentation of Venezuela – it is probably the most lied-about country in the world – that a journalist can say almost anything about Chávez or his government and it is unlikely to be challenged, so long as it is negative. Even worse, Rather referred to Chávez as "the dictator" – a term that few, if any, political scientists familiar with the country would countenance.

Here is what Jimmy Carter said about Venezuela's "dictatorship" a few weeks ago: "As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that we've monitored, I would say that the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world." Carter won a Nobel prize for his work through the election-monitoring Carter Center, which has observed and certified past Venezuelan elections. But because Washington has sought for more than a decade to delegitimise Venezuela's government, his viewpoint is only rarely reported.

Unlike in the US, where in a close vote we really have no idea who won (see Bush v Gore), Venezuelans can be sure that their vote counts. And also unlike the US, where as many as 90 million eligible voters will not vote in November, the government in Venezuela has done everything to increase voter registration (now at a record of about 97%) and participation.

Yet the US foreign policy establishment (which includes most of the American and western media) seethes with contempt for Venezuela's democratic process. In a report timed for the elections, the so-called Committee to Protect Journalists says that the government controls a "media empire", neglecting to inform its readers that Venezuelan state TV has only about 5-8% of the country's audience. Of course, Chávez can interrupt normal programming with his speeches (under a law that pre-dates his administration), and regularly does so. But the opposition still has most of the media, including radio and print media – not to mention most of the wealth and income of the country.

The opposition will probably lose this election not because of the government's advantages of incumbency – which are abused throughout the hemisphere, including the United States, but because the living standards of the majority of Venezuelans have dramatically improved under Chávez. Since 2004, when the government gained control over the oil industry and the economy had recovered from the devastating, extra-legal attempts to overthrow it (including the 2002 US-backed military coup and oil strike of 2002-2003), poverty has been cut in half and extreme poverty by 70%. And this measures only cash income. Millions have access to healthcare for the first time, and college enrolment has doubled, with free tuition for many students. Inequality has also been considerably reduced. By contrast, the two decades that preceded Chávez amount to one of the worst economic failures in Latin America, with real income per person actually falling by 14% between 1980 and 1998.

In Washington, democracy has a simple definition: does a government do what the state department wants it to do? And of course here, the idea of politicians actually delivering on what they promised to voters is also an unfamiliar concept. So it is not just Venezuela that regularly comes under fire from the Washington establishment: all of the left and newly independent governments of South America, including Argentina, Ecuador, and Bolivia are in the crosshairs (although Brazil is considered too big to get the same treatment except from the right). The state department tries to keep its eyes on the prize: Venezuela is sitting on 500bn barrels of oil, and doesn't respect Washington's foreign policy. That is what makes it public enemy number one, and gets it the worst media coverage.
 
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What always never cease to surprise me, when it comes to a portion of the american public discussing politics, is that it's always 0% or 100%.

Disagree with something Israel did? You must hate them 100%, apparently.

Believe in some sort of socialized medicine? Why do you want us to be 100% like Venezuela?

No wonder you got political problems...

They’ve been thoroughly brainwashed to disavow anything not idealogically pure and are outright dismissive of thought and reason.
 

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2012? Chávez?

The U.S. has been trying to overthrow Venezuela since Chavez started his first day. Maduro is continuing the Bolivarian Revolution that Chavez started. Their administrations are congruent... Maduro was personally chosen by Chavez to be his successor if he died in office.

The fact that an article about Chavez threw you, displays your complete lack of knowledge about Venezuela.
 
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