Why do so many black males and females hate their own race?

[TexanStar]

Hmmm I see what you are saying and I cannot speak for other cultures but when it comes to black/African American it does have heavy ties to inferiority and superiority, trying to emulate white slave masters and colonial masters. These type of colorism was instilled heavily in the French colonies that owened black slaves. However you do have a point because certain forms of colorism have been heard historically in Europe was more dealing denoting the labour class vers the Ruling class.

Oh, I agree. I mentioned that it can be tied up with racism, just doesn't have to be. Talking strictly about the US experience with slavery, you'd have whites having children with black slaves. Those mixxed race children were still considered black (one drop rules and all that), but the treatment wasn't the same. The extreme example would be Haiti where mixxed race were the ruling class, but you saw a lot of similar stateside as well (mixxed race individuals in higher positions in the heirarchy than non-mixxed slaves). So you still had these classist overtones to it all too.

I also agree it's demeaning when you hear lots of remarks made about your skin tone over the course of your life and most of them negative. Worked alongside a gorgeous Indian woman at work who was convinced she was ugly because she had darker skin. Even her family would make negative remarks to her about it. That kind of shit eats away at a person. It's a lot worse than just not being aligned to someone's personal preference (which is why I jumped back in here. ).

P.S. I don't mean to preach to the choir. I was just expanding some points that are really more in reply to all4kim.

 

[wallyj84]

Racism is really about the superiority or inferiority of a given race. Colorism is about skin tone and although it can be expressed as a component of racist beliefs, it doesn't have to be (and in most cases I've come across day to day it's nothing to do with race).

There are a lot of people who just treat / consider fairer skin to be more attractive and more indicative of higher social standing. Asia in particular has a lot of these attitudes and it's not about wanting to be white, it's just about wanting lighter skin tones (within the racial group). It's a fair skin means royalty, dark skin means manual labor kind of attitude and culturally it often pre-dates contact with Europeans.

I agree that colorism isn't necessarily racist, but I think it's a difficult distinction to make when it comes to black Americans.

 

[malakos]

Cognitive bias triggers memories that aren't true. One such case for psychologist Elizabeth Loftus was her mother died when Elizabeth was 14. She remembered very little of it. On Elizabeth's 44th birthday, an uncle told her that she had discovered the body. Tons of memories flooded back about. The problem is none of them are true. Her aunt had discovered the body not her.
What we're told has influence on us. We have to fight to find the truth, and toss out the lie.

This one cuts both ways of course.

 

[meningreentights]

People are a lot like chickens. If a chicken is in some way different from the rest, they'll peck it to death.

 

[ItsAll4Kim]

We are not talking about dating choices we are talking about racial biases, abuse and oppression. My first comment was made from the op's statement. I told you It was a mix of my experience and things I have read dealing on coloniality. Please do not negate my experience by telling me that my experience was not veiled racism. I've experienced racism enough to know the difference and no dating choices can be a form of racist. You see this all the time on gay websites when they say no blacks and no Asian and these same people always say it's just a preference and that they aren't racist but in fact they want nothing to do with certain racist due to they racist views and stereotypes. The problem is you only view racist in the narrow spectrum of racial slurs, when it means much more than that.

Here are some articles since my anecdotal comments are not enough for you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0c57/7d980e4a98d7d03475cfb55af9f8d69d828d.pdf
https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/108952/ekeoma_1.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
https://sarrerprofolio3.wikispaces.com/file/view/Bleaching Syndrome.pdf/516706788/Bleaching Syndrome.pdf
https://www.thestar.com/life/2017/03/21/racism-and-matchmaking.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_racism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_racism
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Skin_Color_and_Wages_Among_African-Americans

Hang on a minute. I *specifically* asked for your anecdotal experiences because I trust you from reading your posts over the years. I am in no way trying to negate your experience. I thought I was clear when I repeatedly stated the comments you received were totally inappropriate and rude.

If the motivation was racism, why would someone agree to meet you for a date? Did neither of you exchange photos, was your race undisclosed until you met in person?

 

[find83]

Hang on a minute. I *specifically* asked for your anecdotal experiences because I trust you from reading your posts over the years. I am in no way trying to negate your experience. I thought I was clear when I repeatedly stated the comments you received were totally inappropriate and rude.

If the motivation was racism, why would someone agree to meet you for a date? Did neither of you exchange photos, was your race undisclosed until you met in person?

Yes I exchanged a face pic, that is why she was surprised I was so dark and accused me of photoshoping my pics.
Man it wasn't a pleasant experience. Your type of questioning is like your trying to find holes in my argument or something. If you don't believe it racism you are perfectly in your right I feel differently. My point of my "original" statement was to express why some black people have internalised racism and this can be expressed through colorism and exclusively dating white. They were just examples how colorism is expressed through racist actions. I view racist on a gradient and a way of thinking, not just some black and white act ( excuse the pun) or exclusion and no exclusion. Let's agree to disagree and just drop it.

 

[Haggard_Wisdom]

People are a lot like chickens. If a chicken is in some way different from the rest, they'll peck it to death.

OR they'll wanna fuck it

Tying it back to the original question, why does anyone date outside their race? Because mixing cultures is interesting. If that chicken is different, grab it and (if there's mutual consent) fuck it!