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Being successful at a young age?

I've encountered it many times before here on LPSG (and out on the streets) where some people feel the need to put young men & women down and judging them so harshly.

I know jealousy is an issue but sometimes it seems deeper than that. I understand that the current economy isn't the best but should people stop living the way they do because someone else is financially unstable?
 

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No idea what you're talking about, but usually the assumption is they were handed their money. Usually that is the case, because if you're 22 and rich, it's hard as hell to make it there on your own merit.
 

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People get jealous because they are angry at themselves for not getting out there, taking risks, and not following their dreams. its much easier for them to put someone down that it is to get out there and work for what they want.
 

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Being successful at a young age?

I've encountered it many times before here on LPSG (and out on the streets) where some people feel the need to put young men & women down and judging them so harshly.

I know jealousy is an issue but sometimes it seems deeper than that. I understand that the current economy isn't the best but should people stop living the way they do because someone else is financially unstable?

Insecurity. That simple.

It's much easier to hate on someone that's actually doing something with their life, than to take action and make something of one's self.

Personally, whenever I see someone who is successful (financially or otherwise) at any age, it encourages me to work that much harder at my goals. Whatever they may be.

The whole "hating" nonsense is just a waste of time and energy.

Unfortunately, some people let their insecurities get the better of them, and must go out of their way to bring others down for an ego boost.

Speaking of which, I saw a license plate reading "HI H8R" on a SL63. Thought that was a funny way to respond to those types.
 

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I agree with zrr6zrr6, it is totally ridiculous to be jealous. And I am not offended if someone wants to live extravagantly if they can afford it. And who cares if the money was handed down to them, does that make them any less deserving. They could be a great person who deserves that money. Who knows, maybe there parents died when they were young and left them something. You don't know the situation. So lay off rich people, being rich is not a crime, or even a moral dilemma.
 

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Are you sure you don't lord it over them? If you can be certain you're not flaunting in their faces, then yes, it's probably just jealousy. But being richer and more successful than other people can sometimes make a person act like they're better than those other people, even if it's unintentional.

As long as you're not deliberately flaunting your wealth, then don't worry about it. If you are, well then... stop it.
 

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I think it's a mixed feeling of jealousy and what MercyfulFate said.

Sometimes i do envy people but then i realize that not everyone's life is as glamorous as they make it appear.

I've worked hard for what i have accomplished and that makes me feel good.

and I don't believe anyone who says they have never been jealous of someone's success.

 

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This is not really a select issue. "Hating" in this sense is analogous to disliking someone because they are endowed, charming, attractive, intelligent, and so on.

So long as the reaction is without provocation, it is a good indication that the person is trying to justify why you possess something they do not, and ameliorate the concept.

A person might be youthful and affluent, but if they are an arrogant asshole and had everything dropped in their lap, that is not nearly as bad to come to grips with. It helps devalue the person with greater perceived social status or worth.
 

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I don't begrudge a young person their success. I've seen driven young people become successful and been impressed with their ability to know what they want and achieve it at such a young age.

I will admit to getting frustrated with the wealthy young who have done nothing to earn their expensive cars, clothes and vacations. I have one such person working for me. There is no way to motivate this person into doing a good job. There is no drive, no ambition, no fear of losing their job, no fear of failure. The money they make is pocket change - mommy & daddy make the car payments, and pay for the vacations and everything else. This person looks successful, and has all the toys to prove it. This person has at least a dozen other people in their social circle in the same situation. Most have "jobs" in their family business that are mostly titles with no reponsibility. Money for nothing.

Am I envious? No. Well, I do wish I had their money sure. But I take far too much joy out of what I do and my accomplishments. I guess I do have a bit of a "Hate on" for the rich, vacuous kids.
 
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I think you should be happy for everybody there is no reason to hate on a person no matter how they got their stuff just be happy for them. An if your not happy with what you have help those around you get what they want an you will get what you want.
 

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Well... let's not overlook that people who are successful at a very young age often exhibit a profound level of arrogance and entitlement.
They imagine they are the smartest, most industrious, most talented people, ever... and they seldom recognize how much of their success is due to dumb luck, personal advantage, connections or other good fortune that they, personally, had nothing to do with.


In fact, most spectacular mistakes made by those successful in their first venture center around their own assumptions of how smart or capable they are. I have seen 60 million dollar companies fall to 3 million dollar embarrassments simply because the guy who started it all assumed he was the smartest guy in the room. That his success was proof that he understood the world, or even his business, better than anyone making less.

This kind of self centered arrogance is not becoming, and it grates on folks, especially folks who can see clearly how much of the rich and mighty's wealth comes from circumstance and privilege, rather than from any personal brilliance.
The Guy who Created MS-DOS was paid chump change for it by a Bill Gates who didn't let him know about his IBM deal. And the Girl at Microsoft who answered the phones became a millionaire...
Is that talent? Or Luck?

Usually, it takes a pretty hard fall to wake people up to the fact that much of success is simply happenstance, and persistence.

People who are building their second or even third success, after sobering setbacks, are always a lot more affable and balanced than those pissant youngsters who think they have a handle on the world.

People who are successful at a young age have a buzz that can be intoxicating, and insulting, to be around.

And to believe folk's negative reactions to you are all mere jealousy is just further evidence of the self absorption and obliviousness which often emanates from young guns on the upswing.

Maybe... just perhaps... you're acting like a self important asshole?

They will make better friends, and better citizens, after they have had their first big setback.
 
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Who cares what other people think about what you earn through hard work?

Yes obviously all success relies on the work of more than one person. You can see some of the people here act like the fact that your parents raised you well is some sort of unfair advantage. Like the only way to earn success is to struggle up from the lowest rung on the ladder, by yourself the entire time. These people often lack perspective on their own lives.

I would not worry.
 

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You can see some of the people here act like the fact that your parents raised you well is some sort of unfair advantage.

The advantages are not that your parents raised you well... People In the film industry have connections and contacts and networks of obligation and reciprocity that give their children an advantage in seeking film careers not shared by average folks and entirely unrelated to talent.
If your mom's a star, or your dad a director... you are not facing the same difficulty in getting a role as some kid whose parents are insurance salesmen in the midwest...

By the same token, people whose parents are upper middle class, or wealthy, have an inroad in the form of connections, but also access to means, access to better education, and even access to simple example of how, say, a company is run, or how a deal can be turned to your advantage.

You can not ignore these advantages is peoples success, because they factor more than intelligence and talent and even, luck.

The average CEO is not a brilliant person, they are not the most go getter... they are the guy who's dad's played golf with powerful people.

George Bush could never have risen to president without his father's legacy and connections...he could never have qualified for the school he attended, nor gotten out of the trouble he got into...

And that is true every step of the way.
Donald Trump is a functional moron. He is Rich because his daddy gave him both money and property to start with...

He did not turn that head start into something vast, Like Warren Buffet did... He has made and lost lots of money, over and over, thru luck and stupidity.


Successful people often look down on the poor as not being motivated enough or not being raised well... But that is bull... Many are raised very well, amid challenges the more fortunate have no conception of...
But if dad and mom, no matter how loving and supportive, don't know anybody other than other people in similar poor circumstances... there is no advantage in just being raised well.

People with money skew the entire world, even to the point of legislation, to the advantage of themselves and their offspring and their friends.

And most young people who are successful simply fail to recognize how much of what they achieve is due to the pure advantage of where they started out, at birth

Even more fail to recognize the element of dumb luck.

They guy who invented the PET rock thought we was a marketing genius.
NOT ONE other thing he ever did ever sold for shit.



Once more- a man's standing in the community is no better than what other people say about him behind his back.

Its not always jealousy ( tho that certainly happens)
If everyone not looking to make money from you thinks your a dick... maybe you're being a dick.
 

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Without provocation? Yes, people who dog on successful young people are likely harboring some sort of jealousy or unrestrained envy. Most people, however, are guarded enough against behaving that way specifically because everyone else knows that's what that sort of behavior is regarded as.

I'll likely never be super wealthy. I'll live very comfortably at the end, at most. However, I have a bunch of friends who are (or soon will be) at the top tier of income thanks to their careers. Doctors, lawyers, corporate officers, fashion models etc. Most of these people are so dedicated to whatever it is they're after they seldom flaunt their successes in a way that isn't easily digestible. There is one specific exception I'm going to cite.

This guy is a self made man. He started a company and sold it for a mass ton of money. He's 24 and is worth like thirty million dollars. He posts pictures on Facebook of his car, of his pool and his house, of his closet and of all the material things that are the mark of a wealthy person in a decidedly capitalist society. His status updates are always something to the effect "A new BWM before my flight to Tokyo? I THINK YES!" I'm not jealous of this person (at least not any more jealous than I am of Bill Gates or anyone else with a mass ton of disposable income) but I find his behavior... annoying. I get it- you're fucking loaded and your life rocks.

Flaunting wealth is what most people take exception to in this regard and I think that is more likely than people just coming out of the woodwork to openly hate on successful people under 30. Somewhere along the line they picked up on a superiority vibe which they use as the justification for their soured attitude. Consider that when opening topics that could easily be described as another billboard for your success; it's just like the guy who opens a thread "Why do girls hate my mega giant cock?"



JSZ
 
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Being successful at a young age?

I've encountered it many times before here on LPSG (and out on the streets) where some people feel the need to put young men & women down and judging them so harshly.

I know jealousy is an issue but sometimes it seems deeper than that. I understand that the current economy isn't the best but should people stop living the way they do because someone else is financially unstable?

it's because they hate themselves for the mistakes they've made in life.it's all misplaced anger.your success just reminds them of that.
and hey..if people AIN'T hatin' on you....you ain't doin' it right!
 

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I don't hang out with people who are jealous of young people's (or anyone's) wealth. What I've noticed is more an envy for other people's skills. For instance I surf, and I'm not the best surfer. The younger guys who are the most facile and coordinated get hated on by guys and women who are older...like in their 30s and 40s. Younger people have physical skills that older people have lost, so there's this huge competition going on for no reason. It's just human nature to me.
 

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I just find it sad that someone can't be themselves without getting ridiculed for it and have to play yourself down.. especially with some of the threads on here such as:
what are you wearing?
what kind of car do you drive?
Where is your favorite restaurant?

Shouldn't someone be able to answer truthfully? or should they hide who they are?
 

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Well, here is my two cents.

I graduated into a terrible economy in NYC after 9/11 from a prestigious university in NYC.I had to accept a very low salary for my first job given the bad environment.

My cousin graduated from a much lesser known university in "middle of nowhere" MA where she was an all American division 2 or 3 in soccer. She had much more success than me given she went to work for the company her dad worked for as he had all the connections there. She knew she would have no issue getting promoted as all the people he promoted would in turn promote her. I feel like she didn't have to earn anything, but I had to earn it. I am still trying to catch up.

I was trying to have success in a competitive industry in NYC by myself with NO HELP or already established connections. Obviously I am not earning as much as her. She is way ahead and will never have to deal with a layoff.
 

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This is not really a select issue. "Hating" in this sense is analogous to disliking someone because they are endowed, charming, attractive, intelligent, and so on.

So long as the reaction is without provocation, it is a good indication that the person is trying to justify why you possess something they do not, and ameliorate the concept.

A person might be youthful and affluent, but if they are an arrogant asshole and had everything dropped in their lap, that is not nearly as bad to come to grips with. It helps devalue the person with greater perceived social status or worth.

I hate people with bigger vocabularies than I.:biggrin1:
 

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Being successful at a young age?

I've encountered it many times before here on LPSG (and out on the streets) where some people feel the need to put young men & women down and judging them so harshly.

I know jealousy is an issue but sometimes it seems deeper than that. I understand that the current economy isn't the best but should people stop living the way they do because someone else is financially unstable?

I think that its called rubbing people's faces in your good fortune, & their misfortune!

If someone is flaunting their success, knowingly, or unknowingly, they are still wankers. "Hey look, I'm a millionaire, & I'm only 20" - see how many hates that gets on FB:smile:

Isn't it negative commentary as well as positive commentary that defines current social norms? No one really knows just how much they're offensive & an ass until a heap of people across the spectrum tell them.
 

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Answer: because they're dorks. And hatin'
 

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Envy is a part of us all, so it happens, suck it up. Fat people may hate on slim people a bit. The poor may hate on the rich a bit. But you never hear about this happening to a wealthy man who is humble. Why? Because if you have a fortune, or a perfect body, it needs to be realized that it can be lost overnight. If you flaunt your wealth, then expect for some people to flaunt their envy.

You're right! The economy isn't doing very well, and no, that doesn't mean that you should stop living your life. But if you've never struggled financially, or had a job where you believed that you had job security- lost it and your home, then you can't understand what it's like to be on the outside looking in. Everyone at some point takes a risk, more so financially. And it either works out, or it doesn't. I'm proud that you're successful at such a young age. Good for you =) But it doesn't make you better than anyone.

I'm not accusing you of feeling that way, I'm just saying- most people aren't going to hate unless you're flaunting.
 

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My ex husband insisted on maintaining a relationship with someone from his county who graduated from THAT university, then worked at THAT strategy consulting firm; then went on to THAT graduate business school; went back to THAT consulting firm.......got out with a big ass job (by virtue of their alumni system) constantly talking about how without her personal assistant she wouldn't know if she was coming or going.......

Socially, with us, in any case, she was rude, neither she nor her husband could be bothered to RSVP, when you asked about it, she would claim she was so busy (no apologies here). We learned that her childhood friend and university flatmate who chose mommy track was completely dissed by this woman.......

These days I read that she is CEO of a company that is being fined by the government for poor business practices........

I don't care how successful you are, if we are friends, you will reutrn my phone calls, you will initiate social outings and so on as I will do for you.

I never lose sight of the fact that friendship is a relationship of two equals. If you feel the need to remind me hw successful you are and/or how valuable your time is (compared to mine), well, then we just can't be friends.
 
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I don't care how successful you are, if we are friends, you will reutrn my phone calls, you will initiate social outings and so on as I will do for you.

I never lose sight of the fact that friendship is a relationship of two equals. If you feel the need to remind me hw successful you are and/or how valuable your time is (compared to mine), well, then we just can't be friends.

Quoted for truth. Absolutely - exactly how I feel about it. Letting differences in social standing get in the way of mutual friendship is essentially saying that the friendship is less important. Who would want that?
 

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envy. and altho I know it's not impossible, most young successful people, especially around here, are successful due to mommy & daddy's helping hand.

perhaps a better question, is why do people have to hate on people who have worked 30+yrs to be successful??? make their money and retire in their 50's. that's what I did, and about 1/3 of my friends are happy for me, the other 2/3rds hate me, and few can't stand me and would probably like to kill me. I on the other hand, I have always been happy for my friends when they have been successful, and wish all the best for my friends.
 

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by my reckoning the better persons of wealth ( philanthropists )
go about there biz, sharing it as annonymously as possible huh
braggards are there opposites of course

for many years i despised the wealthy
then i realized some earnt it by fair hard honest work
others, well i dont need to say huh...

fr the younger working brigade
i just wish them the very very best
many Govts and there policys, are going to be that generations WORST enemy
i feel..
enz

eg
christchurch NZ rebuilding
do you think the nz govt will reintroduce the apprenticeship scheme
could employ thousands of young, as future tradesmen...
a year on and not a mention ..
all a case of .. whats in it for me
 

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Without provocation? Yes, people who dog on successful young people are likely harboring some sort of jealousy or unrestrained envy.

JSZ

um... again... folks who act like dicks seldom recognize how their behavior comes across to others.

You can defend it all you want, think yourself perfect, and ascribe it all to jealousy... go ahead... but that doesn't mean you are correct in doing so.

Sure... SOME of it is jealousy, with some people. In fact, a lot of folks will be jealous... but, as an artist who has had a lot of success, I never saw anyone jealous of my success, other than a handful of other artists.

Folks NOT in my field never show jealousy, because they tend to think my talent at something they can not do warrants my success.


When folks who have no evident reason to be jealous of you seem to begrudge your success... it is because they perceive ( rightly or wrongly) that you are no smarter than they... that you do not work any harder, or even as hard as they, or that your success is likely largely due to either a stroke of pure luck, or some advantage you had that they did not.

...or to some unethical action on your part.

frankly, I have met a lot of folks who made themselves rich... two thirds of them can trace their success to one or two events in which they did something questionable because the opportunity presented... for example, one made 3 million dollars because he was the realtor for a rural property the owner did not know was being scouted for some large corporate campus... as his realtor, he should have brought the deal to him... instead, he bought the property, himself, thru a dummy corporation he created for the purpose, and then sold the property for 3 million more than he paid- he lied to the person he was legally supposed to be representing.
Some would say he was just capitalizing on the information he had that no one else had... that's business... but in fact it was a dick move... it revealed his true character as unscrupulous, ruthless, and untrustworthy...

Most people who knew this guy were unaware of how he made his first 3 million....( i found out thru his son ) but they ALL thought he was a dick.

Trust me... folks opinion of him was not founded on jealousy over his money... it was because you can not really hide the fact that you are a dick.



So... if you're a dick, at heart... there's not much you can do about that... but its not jealousy over the fact that you are more successful... it just folks reacting to you being a dick.

And, if it IS jealousy... often its jealousy founded in the fact that folks who know you can SEE that you are not any brighter or more able than they... that you just have had good luck... or a head start.

Sometimes its jealousy over the fact that you Are more able... but that would only be seen in folks who can tell that... your professional peers.

But the once scenario you CAN do something about, is when that jealousy or ill feeling is founded in your own attitude that you are more successful BECAUSE you are better... because you work harder, or are smarter, or are just more capable.


It MAY be true... but to rub folks face in it is to act like a dick.

Most often, it is Not true... you were just in the right place at the right time... ( be that in applying for a career making job, or being born into an affluent and/or well connected family ) in which case lording it over others about how you DESERVE to be better off is just being a dick.

Usually, it takes a reversal to teach young upstarts how much of their good fortune is fortuitous, and they become less conceited.
But you can also just examine your own behavior and try to asses whether you are allowing your good fortune to turn into an assumption of privilege being deserved.
Like all those conservative assholes who imagine the poor are poor because they just don't work hard enough. ( no one works harder than a migrant field worker )

To feel you Deserve the wealth you have because you are better is the self centered attitude that lead to the notion of aristocracy, or class division.

Its bullshit.

I was born into a middle class, white family in California in the middle of the baby boom... the greatest period of growth in middle class wealth.

My parents had a home because of the G.I. bill ( a government assistance program) my country's wealth was growing because of the Interstate highway program, a government jobs and infrastructure program that tripled the GNP of the US and pumped billions into the blue collar working class, whose purchases fueled my father's rise in retail. I attended one of the best public high schools in the country, because government spending on schools was at a peak in the state I was being educated in.
And I managed to have my own first home thanks to financial assistance in the form of money from my grandfather and parents... and their allowing me to live with them for a few years at low cost.

All of these things that I had that billions did not, that I had nothing to do with other than the good fortune of being born into them, gave me an advantage that most of the worlds population never had.


Sure, I did something with that advantage, I made my own success in a small way...

But I have no way of knowing if I could have overcome the ennui and desperation of being born into poverty... that circumstance might have left me as bleak and frustrated as it does most people who suffer it.

And I have no way of knowing what I might have achieved had my parents been able to buy me my first car at no cost to me... or send me to an ivy league school where I would have met a different class of people, or help me get a plum position, or finance my first venture...

Or, how far I might have gone if I were more willing to act unethically, or commit a crime, or fuck over someone who trusted me...


I don't know how different circumstances I might have been born into, or might have been born into me might have resulted in very different outcomes...

and neither do you.


Maybe you're more capable than the average... but you almost certainly had advantage before you even started.

And how many people, even smarter than you, more capable, more driven, are left stymied by disadvantage that no amount of pure pluck can overcome?

Either way... thinking you have it better because you 'earned it' all on your own is certainly not the whole picture... and it makes you tend to look down on everyone who doesn't share your circumstances.

And THAT would make you a dick.


go ahead, Call others haters.

But the well-off often act pretty hateful.
The GOP, for example.
 

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Well actually here's the story since some of you think that I'm a trust fund baby and haven't busted my ass to be successful..

I was born in a small city on the borderline of Los Angeles & Orange County. My dad passed away when I was eight ( he had cancer, two strokes, and a heart attack before I was even born and in a wheelchair since up until he died). My mom worked as a part-time (3-4 hours a day) playground monitor at my school up until I went to middle school then she went full-time working with disabled children. My mom is very thrifty with money so she made sure we had dinner on the table every night, but I only got one pair of new shoes a year.

At 15 I got my first job at a pizza place so I didn't have to ask my mom for money to buy lunch at school. When I graduated High School my mom offered to pay for me so that I could attend community college and I declined because I didn't want her to touch the savings she had.

I ended up getting married at 18 and went to real estate school. Sold a few houses to the point that we can afford our own and bought one in Newport Beach from a woman who was divorcing her husband and just wanted to get rid of the house. Once my clientele started growing my wife decided she wanted to quit the salon she was working at and open her own. So we did..

We now live in Los Angeles, I've opened up not one but three real estate offices (OC, LA, & NY) and have a few hundred employees. My wife owns two salons and is getting in the works to open another.

We haven't had it easy.. I wasn't born into a wealthy family, I've been working since I was 15. I've struggled and probably have been thru more than what some people have.

And to clear things up, I am very humble. Of course I have my moments where I can be an ass, but doesn't everyone?

If you read all my posts on here I've never said I'm better than anyone else.