Why do some women go all crazy?

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I dont think women really go crazy anymore than a man. In fact it is a Woman who holds this crazy world together. And if a woman goes crazy 9 times out of 10 a Man was the reason:cool:
 

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I dont think women really go crazy anymore than a man. In fact it is a Woman who holds this crazy world together. And if a woman goes crazy 9 times out of 10 a Man was the reason:cool:

You are truly a gift to womankind!:smile:
 

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In the thread http://www.lpsg.org/64312-anyone-here-have-family-member.html a lot of people brought up their crazy mother. So it got me wondering, why do some women go all crazy? It's one of my fears about getting married, that she would be all nice in the beginning, but go crazy after a few years.

So I want to hear stories about women that are or became all crazy, and why you think that happened. I think a lot of times it's related to sex.

Thanks

I do have to bring up the statistical likelihood of husbands killing their wives versus the alternative.
 

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I don't normally get into topics like this due to my shyness and fear of being "bashed" but here I go...

I think the closest person to my view here I've read so far is Snoozan. I think maybe all of us "go all crazy" at one time or another, and often we have a specific reason for it (in my case, the last time it has happened was because I worry that I will never be able to keep a job!)

As an equality feminist, I think it is perfectly fine for mothers to work outside the home if they want! I find the "wishing things could go back to how it used to be" very offensive, as it would be a very unhappy life for many of us (myself included). Now, I decided a long time ago that I didn't want kids, but that's a separate issue. I can't stand sudden, high-pitched noises, such as a screaming child... I also like being able to just come and go as I please without having to worry about who's watching the kids, and also have the instability with work, etc...so that if I had had kids, I would've been on welfare much of the time (despite having two college degrees!!!)

And, women "went all crazy" during those times when mothers did all stay at home, too... remember the root of the word "hysterical"... In fact, I think it was the repressive traditional female role in many of those cases that made them "go all crazy"! Imagine an intelligent, talented woman who is not allowed to show any of her intelligence or talents. It was a very sad situation all around.
 

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I didn't intend this thread to be offensive. If I was better at writing maybe I could have worded it to not come across that way.
I don't understand why some women were offended by this. :boggled: I am often hypersensitive to criticism and I didn't see what they saw. :happysad: I agree that men have plenty of problems, and I'm the first to call them out when they don't act with integrity, decency and maturity.
Wait a second! Do you mean to tell me that where you live most men act with integrity, decency and maturity!?! :confused::eek: (I gotta move to California!) The man in a woman's life can act pretty stupid and cause her to get crazy. I think some men go into marriage and start a family and get in too deep emotionally before they realize they can't handle their career and family. Then they emotionally check out.
Actually, I think it's just the opposite. Many men get so caught up in their careers and providing some mythical 'Happy Days' existence that they forget they have a wife and family and that they need to provide more than food, shelter; and clothing to help create a happy, loving family. My father didn't seem to have the emotional skills to handle raising a family which made my mother somewhat crazy. I've spent a lot of time thinking about this and I'm pretty confident that I won't repeat my father's mistakes.
So what if you do. We all make mistakes. :cool: But still I wonder if something beyond my control would affect my (future) wife, and I worry about that.
Worrying about something beyond your control, maybe happening is a total waste of time and energy. For example, if a child dies some mothers can never get past it and accept it. I'm mostly concerned with not putting the children through years of seeing parents with emotional problems. Overall, I don't think it was too good for me.
Wasn't good for me either but I came out on the other side a better person . . . and so did you. The only good thing about it is that it made me think about what it takes to be a husband and raise a family correctly.

hotmilf, thanks for your comments. They appeal to my scientific side. :cool: My mother did have a hypothyroid problem.
 

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If women make the choice to have kids in an ideal world they should also have the choice to stay at home with them until they're of school age if they want to, unfortunately now it takes two wages to support one household so it's often not a choice, she has to work and that's my problem, when women have small kids they should receive the support to stay at home if that's what they want. I wasn't suggesting that women had to stay at home, but a lot of women would like to have those first years to devote to their kids but in lots of cases they simply can't.

I don't wish things to go back to how they were, I'd never want to go back to the 50's or earlier where women's only role was one of being a support to husband and children, but women should be given the support to stay at home for a while if that's what they want.
 

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And, women "went all crazy" during those times when mothers did all stay at home, too... remember the root of the word "hysterical"... In fact, I think it was the repressive traditional female role in many of those cases that made them "go all crazy"! Imagine an intelligent, talented woman who is not allowed to show any of her intelligence or talents. It was a very sad situation all around.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you here (not bashing). I stayed home to take care of my kids and never went crazy. I am an intelligent and talented woman, intelligent enough to know how to find other means in which to express my intelligence and talents other than the work place. I went back to school to finish my degree after my kids were grown. Raising my kids is the most rewarding thing I have ever done...it was not easy and full of sacrifice, but worth it all...they are truly beautiful, giving, intelligent, thoughtful and appreciative young adults now and often credit me for their strong work ethic which they say they learned from my example. I found ways to channel my creativity through writing books, painting, gardening, and learning from everything I could.
 

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If women make the choice to have kids in an ideal world they should also have the choice to stay at home with them until they're of school age if they want to, unfortunately now it takes two wages to support one household so it's often not a choice, she has to work and that's my problem, when women have small kids they should receive the support to stay at home if that's what they want. I wasn't suggesting that women had to stay at home, but a lot of women would like to have those first years to devote to their kids but in lots of cases they simply can't.

I don't wish things to go back to how they were, I'd never want to go back to the 50's or earlier where women's only role was one of being a support to husband and children, but women should be given the support to stay at home for a while if that's what they want.

Oh, ok... that's different. That's truly a choice and it's fine. (I also think the choice to stay at home with the kids should be given to fathers... yep, I'm a true equality feminist. Or equalist, or whatever you want to call it! :biggrin1:) I live on one income (my own, when I actually have an income!), and it's difficult for just me - granted, I haven't had a steady job since 2005, so that's part of the problem here...

I've been around a few too many people who DO want to go back to the 50s or earlier! :eek: I encountered a lot of this growing up. I see it now in a lot of the religious right, too. (and the people I knew growing up are mostly religious right types as well...) That's probably where my particular take on all this comes from. I didn't like their attitude then and I don't like it now.
 

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TK was right -- it is hormones.

But it isn't the "famous" hormones -- it's a little-publicized one: thyroxine (thyroid hormone).

People with hypothyroidism (approximately 5% of the population, but especially prevalent in post menopausal women) suffer all sorts of mental problems -- depression and crazy mood swings.

While I agree that hypothyroidism can cause depression, there are also many other things that cause a woman to go "crazy"-- whether it be clinical depression, personality disorders, anxiety, bipolar disorder, scizophrenia, or other sorts of garden variety things we call "crazy."

If you look simply at clinical depression, it exists without a link to any sort of thyroid hormone levels in many if not most cases. In the end, we really don't have a very good idea at all about what causes depression and other mental illness, just some ideas about things that contribute to it.

So -- if you help your gal watch her hormone levels (ALL of them -- thyroid, testosterone, progesterone, estrogen, EPO, etc. etc.) she will not only never get fat, but she will never lose her libido or get all nasty on you.
I would love for this to be true, but unfortunately, our bodies and minds not so simple-- there's no one size fits all for the body, brain, and mind. There are plenty of people who are obese, crazy, or both who have completely normal hormone levels. I'm not saying that your theory is incorrect-- for some women, it really is all a matter of regulating thyroid hormone. However, it's only true in some cases, not all.

I think regular blood tests for hormone levels ought to be a mandatory clause in prenuptial agreements for all couples.
I don't think it'd work any better than prenups do at keeping people married.

Again, not to pick on you, but you're still assuming with your post that somehow the women are going crazy because of themselves-- in your case, thyroid hormone. I still don't think that women bear all the burden of creating "crazy" in a relationship. I think it's a common misconception that's been propagated partly by it being a convenient way to not address a woman's legitimate concerns.
 

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You know in theory of course women and men equally go crazy. There would never be a way to statistically say that women go more crazy then men or the other way around. However I agree with the OP in one regard, that from a man's perspective it does seem like women tend to have this in their nature. Now going back to what uncut says, it is definitely most likely because of rotten men to begin with, but it happens none the less.

I tend to believe the science behind it more than anything else. Hotmilfs point was really strong. If there truly is any real difference between the sexes at all, it falls on the chemical codes. And this is where it will play out.

Women have a far more fragile balancing act when it comes to hormones than men. But let us not forget, that when men hit their mid year crisis it is usually because their testostorone which keeps them fit in lots of regards, has finally gotten low enough to make a difference in their lives, and they know it.

I'm no biologist, but I bet, that if there is a difference in the craziness between the sexes at this delicate time in life, it has alot to do with Menopause, with weight gain, with hypothyroidism, and of course with social norms too. In some respects, women have been allowed to go crazy, throughout history. If men do it, we go to jail. I think in the past, dildo's were actually used to treat female "hysteria" as they called it then.

Still how do I see women versus men going crazy in the peak of the lives, I think that is just bad luck, bad personal understanding, or a bad noggin.

An old GF of mine, who I still respect highly, went pretty loco when we broke up. And I knew it might happen in advance because of her condition, but what has to happen has to happen. Lets not forget that I went pretty loco too. But I think depending on a persons mental state, some can handle it better than others.
 

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I usually think when a woman goes 'crazy' in a relationship that she's been driven to it by a man rather than its anything to do with her hormones, my ex husband used to say to me 'don't nag me,' I used to reply 'well don't make me nag you'. If men don't want us to be crazy don't make us be crazy.

I disagree with doc, I think mental illness is more common in men than in women, and certainly criminal acts committed due to a personality defect or mental illness are more common in men.
 

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I do have to bring up the statistical likelihood of husbands killing their wives versus the alternative.
Wives just prefer to inflict a long, slow, torturous death which doesn't come out in the statistics. :rolleyes:

And, women "went all crazy" during those times when mothers did all stay at home, too... remember the root of the word "hysterical"... In fact, I think it was the repressive traditional female role in many of those cases that made them "go all crazy"! Imagine an intelligent, talented woman who is not allowed to show any of her intelligence or talents. It was a very sad situation all around.
Remember, the vibrator was invented to treat "female hysteria" and "congestion of the genitalia". :eek: Maybe I'm an idealist, but I'd like to think an intense orgasm every day would help keep any woman sane. :rolleyes: And if that's all it takes, I'll make the sacrifice. :biggrin1:

Wait a second! Do you mean to tell me that where you live most men act with integrity, decency and maturity!?! :confused::eek: (I gotta move to California!)
That's right. Besides the occasional wildfire and earthquake everything is sunny and bright all the time! :cool:
The man in a woman's life can act pretty stupid and cause her to get crazy. I think some men go into marriage and start a family and get in too deep emotionally before they realize they can't handle their career and family. Then they emotionally check out.
Actually, I think it's just the opposite. Many men get so caught up in their careers and providing some mythical 'Happy Days' existence that they forget they have a wife and family and that they need to provide more than food, shelter; and clothing to help create a happy, loving family.
Sounds like what you're saying is they never "check in" emotionally to begin with, or they are just clueless to begin with.
But still I wonder if something beyond my control would affect my (future) wife, and I worry about that.
Worrying about something beyond your control, maybe happening is a total waste of time and energy.
But I can control who I marry, and hopefully that will be someone that is more likely to handle crisis well.
 

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You know in theory of course women and men equally go crazy. There would never be a way to statistically say that women go more crazy then men or the other way around. However I agree with the OP in one regard, that from a man's perspective it does seem like women tend to have this in their nature. Now going back to what uncut says, it is definitely most likely because of rotten men to begin with, but it happens none the less.

Statistically, women seem to suffer more from anxiety and clinical depression where men seem to suffer more from bipolar disorder, schizoaffective disorder, and schizophrenia. As far as personality disorders go, for example, there are more male sociopaths and more females with borderline personality disorder. There are a few working theories on why this is the case. Interestingly, with depression and anxiety, it's thought that men suffer much more depression than what is reported since many men don't seek help where women do. It would seem that, if nothing else, men and women tend to go crazy in different ways-- and that very well could be based on culture/society as much as it could by biology.

I tend to believe the science behind it more than anything else. Hotmilfs point was really strong. If there truly is any real difference between the sexes at all, it falls on the chemical codes. And this is where it will play out.
We don't know that. Men and women go crazy and deal with it differently from what we can tell, but we don't know what causes mental illness or whatever else we're considering crazy in this thread. It's never all about science and the "chemical codes"-- there's a reason why identical twins can have 1 schizophrenic twin and one normal but it's not simply DNA. We don't know the cause of most mental illness-- we have some ideas, but we don't know.

Women have a far more fragile balancing act when it comes to hormones than men. But let us not forget, that when men hit their mid year crisis it is usually because their testostorone which keeps them fit in lots of regards, has finally gotten low enough to make a difference in their lives, and they know it.
This really isn't borne out all that well in research. Yes, it's conventional wisdom, but there's no real proof for any of this. It could be argued that since testosterone is linked with aggression men are far more likely to go crazy than women if we considered getting drunk and fighting or putting a fist through the wall because your favorite football team lost as "crazy."

I'm no biologist
This is obvious.

but I bet, that if there is a difference in the craziness between the sexes at this delicate time in life, it has alot to do with Menopause, with weight gain, with hypothyroidism, and of course with social norms too. In some respects, women have been allowed to go crazy, throughout history. If men do it, we go to jail. I think in the past, dildo's were actually used to treat female "hysteria" as they called it then.
What?
 

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Statistically, women seem to suffer more from anxiety and clinical depression where men seem to suffer more from bipolar disorder, schizoaffective disorder, and schizophrenia. As far as personality disorders go, for example, there are more male sociopaths and more females with borderline personality disorder. There are a few working theories on why this is the case. Interestingly, with depression and anxiety, it's thought that men suffer much more depression than what is reported since many men don't seek help where women do. It would seem that, if nothing else, men and women tend to go crazy in different ways-- and that very well could be based on culture/society as much as it could by biology.

As for the term crazy. I thought the OP was taking about that momentary time between when something serious happens to a person until when they recover. I wasn't referring to people that actually have a condition and are in some way fated to end up crazy.

We don't know that. Men and women go crazy and deal with it differently from what we can tell, but we don't know what causes mental illness or whatever else we're considering crazy in this thread. It's never all about science and the "chemical codes"-- there's a reason why identical twins can have 1 schizophrenic twin and one normal but it's not simply DNA. We don't know the cause of most mental illness-- we have some ideas, but we don't know.

Well this is a good point, and was what I was revolving around. There is no real way to tell how people will react to things. I guess what both the OP and I were interested in was sometimes from a male perspective, we get that feel that maybe the women go a bit crazier. It is of course a vast generalization, but it is an emotional reaction too. I think I was just exploring whether others had something similar or found any merit in it.

This really isn't borne out all that well in research. Yes, it's conventional wisdom, but there's no real proof for any of this. It could be argued that since testosterone is linked with aggression men are far more likely to go crazy than women if we considered getting drunk and fighting or putting a fist through the wall because your favorite football team lost as "crazy."

Well as for Testosterone, you're absolutely right, might sis has a low estrogen count, and she has real problems with her aggression in general, mainly because her testostorone is high in relation to the estrogen. When I mentioned the guys losing their testosterone, I was talking about the mental panic that occurs when the realization sets in that we cannot perform in any regard close to what we considered "male" before. This causes a lot of men to go "crazy" in this temporary way, sometimes forever.

This is obvious.

Well you don't have to be nasty, we're just having a discussion

What?

What I was referring to was some of those old notions of what women were supposed to be. I always thought it was very intresting when I found out that in the early 20th century, Ads used to be placed in magazines to help women with their "hysteria" and that husbands volunteered to send their wives to these dirty doctors who clearly were having a good time with thier new toys. Of course I brought this up, because even till today, a woman in some regards is allowed a little craziness, whether it be when she slaps a guy, or shatters some glasses in a fight or whatever. Of course I don't wish or like any women to do this, but in the back of most mens head, a little bit is somehow ecceptable. However if you turn it around, that kind of behavior is not so acceptable for men.

Well puching walls and such is, or shouting and making a fit of anger scene, can be a acceptable sometimes.

Well I guess we're the same then. Still I do get a nagging pull in my gut sometimes telling me to watch out for my GF, thats what I can't explain.
 

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Loretta Bobbit :eek:

Women perpetrate as much domestic abuse in the UK as men. If you change it to domestic violence, then men are the bad guys, but only just.

There is some institutional sexism going on here. Whilst women are now "liberated", I still think that we have a cultural expectation that woman is the mother and holds the family unit together, and then by extension our communities. Some women are clearly fantastic at this, but then some aren't and suffer under the expectation, especially when they have their own problems, let alone everyone else's.

Men aren't always that good at either understanding or helping :redface:, especially from the pub or golf course.
 

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Wives just prefer to inflict a long, slow, torturous death which doesn't come out in the statistics. :rolleyes:
I'm gonna let you slide on that one because I know the other ladies will get you for that. :biggrin1:
Remember, the vibrator was invented to treat "female hysteria" and "congestion of the genitalia". :eek:
True, and married women were the bulk of the clientele. Apparently even in the 19th century husbands couldn't be bothered to leave the office or the billiard room long enough to tend to their wives needs. :mad:

Maybe I'm an idealist, but I'd like to think an intense orgasm every day would help keep any woman sane. :rolleyes: And if that's all it takes, I'll make the sacrifice. :biggrin1: no comment :tongue:

That's right. Besides the occasional wildfire and earthquake everything is sunny and bright all the time! :cool:
Ahhh yes, that reminds me of why I didn't move to Eureka, CA years ago . . . the mudslides were a bit much for me to handle.

Sounds like what you're saying is they never "check in" emotionally to begin with, or they are just clueless to begin with.
BINGO! :smile:

But I can control who I marry, and hopefully that will be someone that is more likely to handle crisis well.
I have a severe hypothyroid disorder called Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, I have also been living with depression and anxiety for about 10 years now. It depends on what the crisis is and who else is around as to how well I will handle it. If everyone else is running around like a chicken with it's head cut off then I will take charge and be the epitome of efficiency. If some one else is clearly in charge then I may just go to pieces.:redface:

njqt466 sadly, regretfully; and a bit grudgingly cancels order for her Vera Wang wedding dress and one-way flight to CA to marry Jovial. :frown1::mad:

Jovial I suggest you fly to the UK and start wooing SpoiledPrincess. :smile::wink:She is smart, sassy, sexy; and quite possibly the most well adjusted person I've encountered here. HINT: She loves shoes, :tongue: perhaps you could send her a bouquet of Jimmy Choo's or Manolo Blahnik's to get the ball rolling. :biggrin1: :wink: