Why has big dirigible been banned???

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So just for fun I have decided to find out on my own which section of the TOS was the reason for the banning. Please feel free to tell me if I missed something (did Big D post kiddy porn last week?)
from the TOS
2. These violations will result in a ban on the user's account:
Use of an account by any person under 18 years of age.
I don't think anybody would believe he was. No.
Falsification of one's date of birth.
Again, I would say he was over 19. No.
Use of more than one account by the same person.
Was there anybody else banned at the same time? No.
Use by more than one person of the same account.
Perhaps he has a split personalitly? One nice the other evil? No
Distribution of sexually explicit content involving minors.
Did anybody receive the kiddy porn last week? No
Publication of the personally identifiable information of private individuals without their consent.
Did he circulate an e-mail about my exact whereabouts? No
Attempts to hack into any unauthorized area of LPSG.
He has already said he found himself there by mistake. Other users have had the same problem, so... Possible.
3. These violations are subject to a sanction up to, and rarely including, permanent ban, depending on (cumulative) severity:
Nude avatars.
No.
Commercial advertisement, flooding, and other forms of spam.
Was putting his site up considered commercial advertisement? I doubt it, but Possible.
Content that jeopardizes the board's legal status.
Again, did he post kiddy porn in his gallery or anything else. No.
Passwords or cracks to LPSG or any other website.

No.
Harassment of, or threats against, other LPSG members.
Alright, who was he harassing. Given the broad spectrum of coverage and the ability of some members to whine to the moderators... Possible
Content whose primary purpose is to disrupt or inflame.
I did not see it, but being as that was the contents of his warning letter. Possible.
Senseless or unrecognizable content.
I should not even bother... but No.

4. Notwithstanding the above conditions, LPSG reserves the right to deny access to any member, at its sole discretion.
Possible.

So unless it was him finding himself in the moderators forum which would “result in a ban on the users account" then his ban fell under section 3. which says that violation “would be subject to a sanction up to, and rarely including, permanent ban, depending on (cumulative) severity:"
Now weather he was disrupting and inflaming constantly, harassing LPSG members mercilessly, or his site running along side LPSG was seen as a severe form of commercial advertisement or spam then that leaves us with #4. It was decided to deny access to LPSG at it's sole discretion.

So now that we have narrowed it down I leave it up to you to decide what actually got him banned.
 

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I must be insanely out of touch, because I actually found out that there was a NEW ToS via either this, or a similar, thread. I mean, for the Lex/Zora ToS, there was a big hoopla, but with this one, it just seemed to appear quietly.

TO BE FAIR, my mind hasn't been the sharpest in the past two months. I very much like that it's a sticky at the top of "New members" forum. Perhaps it should be a sticky at the top in each forum.
 

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. I very much like that it's a sticky at the top of "New members" forum. Perhaps it should be a sticky at the top in each forum.
I grant you your wish... no, seriously, look at the first thread in Etc. And yes, it has been changed- actually, it says that it was changed 2 days ago. What was added or removed? Your guess is as good as mine being as aside from this I do not bother looking at it.
 

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I must be insanely out of touch, because I actually found out that there was a NEW ToS via either this, or a similar, thread. I mean, for the Lex/Zora ToS, there was a big hoopla, but with this one, it just seemed to appear quietly.

TO BE FAIR, my mind hasn't been the sharpest in the past two months. I very much like that it's a sticky at the top of "New members" forum. Perhaps it should be a sticky at the top in each forum.

Well - it is a sticky at the top of ETC as well.

I noticed it arriving because I was here at the time and the ToS sticky came up in the latest posts side panel there. Also I believe mindseye started a thread announcing it *disappears to check / reappears* - yup - http://www.lpsg.org/the-help-desk/57037-new-terms-of-service.html

I guess that got overlooked somewhat at the time. There certainly wasn't a hoopla - you couldn't have missed it if you were here but if you weren't, well, quite obviously it was emminanatly missable.
 

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I had noticed that the TOS now had Mindseye rather than Lex as the poster, I presumed an update, but didn't go and read it, I have in the past.
It is also a sticky at the top of the 'Helpdesk', where it still has Lex's name under it.
I wonder what 'passwords or cracks to LPSG or any other website' means.
 

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I noticed it when it was posted; but couldn't remember what the original said so I don't know how this differs.:redface:


I must be insanely out of touch, because I actually found out that there was a NEW ToS via either this, or a similar, thread. I mean, for the Lex/Zora ToS, there was a big hoopla, but with this one, it just seemed to appear quietly.

TO BE FAIR, my mind hasn't been the sharpest in the past two months. I very much like that it's a sticky at the top of "New members" forum. Perhaps it should be a sticky at the top in each forum.
 

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I have to plead ignorance... I know what a password is and I think a crack will give you a password, but what good it would do here is honestly beyond me. I run avast and another antivirus, a firewall, sypware junk all on a good friends advice but am honestly relatively ignorant when it comes to hacking. I could google it, but really don't care enough... I know I will not violate that clause of the TOS accidentally.:biggrin1:
 

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I had noticed that the TOS now had Mindseye rather than Lex as the poster, I presumed an update, but didn't go and read it, I have in the past.
It is also a sticky at the top of the 'Helpdesk', where it still has Lex's name under it.
I wonder what 'passwords or cracks to LPSG or any other website' means.

I guess mindseye forgot to edit Lex's name to his there - not really important. 'passwords or cracks to LPSG or any other website' means, I should imagine, exactly that - anyone publishing, distributing or otherwise involved in passwords they should not have, methods for technically disrupting the boards, hacking the database here at LPSG or on other sites will be banned. I think that is entirely reasonable.

I don't like this new ToS - I didn't like the last one. I dislike this one a little less than the last one because there is at least less ambiguity. Although the carte blanche rule is irksome at least it is there in black and white.

But, being a 'member' of this site I am bound by it whether I like it or not - there is not much I can do about that. I mean not much that won't get me banned. I have the very simple choice of leaving and no longer being bound by it or staying and working with in it - maybe even getting as far as changing it via debate eventually. These are our choices in any 'society' to which we belong. In life I have no real choice - I have to live somewhere - I chose to live in France and I am as such bound by the French and European Laws of this state - I flout a few of them and so far I haven't been caught. I could join a political party or other organisation and try to change the law.

LPSG is different, of course, in that I do not HAVE to be here - I am at complete liberty to leave and never come back. While I am here then I have no choice but to accept the rules - I can of course flout these rules too and I may even get away with it a bit. And there is the possibility here too of campaigning against the rules and their application. If people don't like the ToS, the way the Mods apply it or even the Mods themselves they will find that no one will stop them debating that reasonably and in a dedicated place. The debate itself does not appear to be what got big d banned - what appears to have got big d banned is where he chose to take that debate - that he is deemed to have taken it with him wherever he went here. (please note the language there - "is deemed to have" - I'm stating no personal opinion either way). So rather than all this backing a forwarding over a certain case - why not start a thread, in Etc or maybe Help Desk, to discuss this. It happened after the last controversial banning and that, along with this case, seems to have gotten the ToS updated somewhat for the better - certainly there is more clarity there.

But, as with the last time, the thread will probably dwindle as the mists of time enshroud the controversy. In that case it is up to the members who want change to keep pushing for it. Keep discussing it publicly and keep asking the questions. As long as it is done calmly, rationally and politely I can see no objections from any of the current admin team.
 

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IMHO, we need to close this thread.

Did Big Dirigible have a right to start his own web site?
Yes, of course he did.

Should he have been banned for it?
No, I think that was a petty, petulant, knee jerk reaction which has had volatile results. I hope LPSG.org rises from the ashes of this debacle and is stronger and better for it.

Should Big Dirigible have developed a site whose sole purpose appears to be ridiculing LPSG.org?
No, I think that was a petty, petulant, knee jerk reaction which makes him look anything but big.

We have been beating this dead horse for days, there is nothing left of value to say. I don't think there is even enough left of which to make a decent glue.
 

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MB it would 'appear' that you seem to know quite a lot about the situation and others of this nature. I have noticed this in other posts of yours. Things seem to 'appear' to you a lot for someone that has recently arrived.

Whose sock are you?
 

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In that case it is up to the members who want change to keep pushing for it. Keep discussing it publicly and keep asking the questions. As long as it is done calmly, rationally and politely I can see no objections from any of the current admin team.

I agree. The answer to why BD was banned is obviously not an easy one to answer. People on both sides of the fence feel strongly about this and there are underlying issues that are coming out as a result. There are members that want to discuss it and need to vent, and that's not going to go away or clear up until there is some sort of compromise. It will keep popping up in other threads and issues.
 

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The anger is about the opacity, and since the opacity isn't being removed, the anger has escalated so that, sure, in a sense, there's a bit of a Salem sentiment.
Solution?
Clarity.

This is key.

I posted my knowledge of Gillette's vote not to diss her (because obviously, she did not share that with me, and surprisingly, neither did any OTHER Moderator) but to show that this "tight ship" has NEVER been tight. It has always had leaks all over the place.

and before anyone comes and says "well then, how can you be certain that she voted that way?", trust me, she did. YOu can be as certain of that as you can be that Zora would never support a ban on Spladle.

SInce the bow has many many holes, being extremely upfront can only HELP.

And, as usual, people will just feel defensive and villified (I was there I know).

The truth is, if no one was unhappy, it would not matter what ANYone's signature pointed to. People would stay put.

You can't cling onto water by squeezing your fist.
 

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MB it would 'appear' that you seem to know quite a lot about the situation and others of this nature. I have noticed this in other posts of yours. Things seem to 'appear' to you a lot for someone that has recently arrived.

Whose sock are you?

I hadn't thought of that...that is entirely possible...
 

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MB it would 'appear' that you seem to know quite a lot about the situation and others of this nature. I have noticed this in other posts of yours. Things seem to 'appear' to you a lot for someone that has recently arrived.

Whose sock are you?

Oh - yes - I am clearly the Mods' bitch - oh definitely.

A person is capable of coming here, reading and forming an opinion - I do not expect my opinion to be taken as gospel - I do not even expect it to be heard, necessarily. But I really do not see why, everytime I express the motherfucker, that some blown-up ego-trip hops on my back and tells me I don't know shit because I'm only just in the door.

I have exactly the same information as every other member on this board has access to - I choose to use it to form opinions and I also choose to express those opinions. I use words like 'appear' because I'm trying to get across that I know I am expressing an opinion - not a Great Undeniable Truth - as some members seem to consider their own rantings.

If you don't like it put me on ignore.

IMHO, we need to close this thread.

*snip*

We have been beating this dead horse for days, there is nothing left of value to say. I don't think there is even enough left of which to make a decent glue.

I respectfully disagree. Closing threads is a last resort - closing threads is killing debate. If people want to talk about big d's banning, here is a good place - close this thread and it will only reopen elsewhere while folks still feel the need of it. It looks like this thread disappeared overnight (well, my overnight) and then came back - I think things may have got a bit personal and were removed - I have no idea what those things might have been - but I am generally against censorship and really wish that the admins and mods would not do that. Seeing as I have no clue what was written about whom I can't really comment - so back on point - Closing the thread is a shit idea - sorry NJ.
 
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